A lot of noise has been made about how the Streetcar tracks in South Lake Union are bad for bikes. So I went down there yesterday on my bike and I have to say, I didn’t have that problem. I guess if you are riding along the same area where the streetcar is, it could be dangerous to be in the tracks, but why not go one block down? I only crossed the tracks at a 90-degree angle.
Oddly, there are a ton of other, old tracks in the street down there, and they don’t have this problem, I wonder why only the Streetcar tracks get the complaints.
On a completely unrelated note, I went to a Thunderbirds hockey game yesterday and learned that the team is moving to Kent and will play in a venue across the street from Kent Station. They play at Key Arena now, but it seems that next year you’ll be able to take sounder down to Kent for T-Birds games. Oddly, the T-Birds play in a division that has Everett in it, and Everett and Kent are both about the same distance from Seattle, so if the T-Birds move down to Kent, they ought to be called the Kent Thunderbirds, not the Seattle Thunderbirds. At least that’s my opinion.


Valley Street at the south end of Lake Union )has a ton of old bits of rail track all going nowhere, with no possibility of a train ever using them again.
It would have been really nice if they’d been removed during the construction of the SLUT lines.
And no, I’ve never had trouble on the either the old lines or the SLUT lines while cycling through the area. I rode most of the length of the SLUT from Denny to Fred Hutch on my bike (hybrid tires, 1 3/8″) with no problems a couple of months ago. Admittedly it was dry then.
I fell once during construction of the new line when there was a lane closure which forced me into the lane with the tracks.
The only area which is tricky is on Valley St where the new tracks and the old tracks are close to each other. In order to traverse them you need to weave to the right side of the lane and then immediately weave to the right side of the lane. This leaves the lane “open” and drives think they can zoom past. It’s a hazard for sure.
Why haven’t they removed the old tracks which haven’t been used in decades?
There’s a few reasons cyclists are angry. In all of this, it’s important to remember that must of us aren’t opposed to the SLUT (though it would have been nice if it actually went faster than walking and/or covered enough ground to get anyone out of their car) – this is all about a design decision made against the advice of bike advocates and in spite of the experience of Portland. The general complaint is that the tracks should not be in the right-hand lane. If the streetcar had been put in the centre of the road, like most streetcar systems anywhere else, or fully separated from the road (like it is on Valley Street), there would be no problem. Sure it would sometimes be necessary to cross tracks, but like you say the new tracks are much less troublesome than the old railway palimpsests all around the city. The trouble is that these tracks run parallel to the course a cyclist would normally take, creating a situation where one has to either run the gauntlet of being stuck between tracks, or move into the left lane infuriating drivers.
The other reason why people are protesting about these and not the old tracks is that it’s a recent decision a supposedly bike-friendly city government took, that makes a major bike thoroughfare (and let’s face it – there’s no alternative to Westlake Ave south of Denny that doesn’t also have problems) significantly less bike-friendly, and didn’t have to be done. A properly designed streetcar can coexist quite happily with bikes, as happens in many cities around the world.
Terry is a two-way street, why can’t bikes go there?
I do see the point about not putting streetcars where the bicyclists go.
It’s not true that it’s faster to walk than take the streetcar. I took the streetcar saturday from Westlake to Daniel’s Broiler, and there’s no way I could have walked that fast with a 60 year old.
I did say south of Denny. Westlake is a lot more important [to all modes of travel] where it runs diagonal to the rest of the grid. Even north of Denny there is a general point of principle that there was just no need to build the streetcar in this particular way, so it’s a completely unnecessary hazard, but it’s south of Denny where it really creates a practical problem.
I must admit I haven’t yet tried the SLUT myself (I will do soon – I’m still excited about the prospect of any improvement to our public transport infrastructure, and I hope I’m wrong about the slowness), but this was my source: http://www.horsesass.org/?p=3937
Sure, you could take Sounder to T-Birds games, but how in the world would you get back? The 150, running every 30-60 minutes late night and taking the scenic route into Seattle?
At Key Arena, at least you could look forward to taking the light rail and then transferring to the monorail. To suggest that Kent Station is a more transit-friendly choice is ludicrous.
Having actually ridden the bus to the T-birds in the Key Arena, I can say that anything would have been better. We had to leave every game ten minutes before the ending, or wait an hour in a bus “shelter” that sheltered nothing.
As for the feeling that “they could have put the tracks anywhere, and they chose here, of all places”, that I doubt very much. It is very rare to find a random decision in building a modern streetcar.
The cyclists need to get with the program and demand a corridor for cycling. That entire neighborhood is going to be rebuilt in a very short time and it won’t be long before pedestrians are complaining about cyclists. Just look at the U of W campus and their widespread “walk your bike” areas.
In fact, it would not be forward to say that cyclists need to organize and mobilize on the bike parking issue also- there’s plenty of evidence that street planners will drop the ball on that if you don’t prod them with sharp sticks once in a while.
Between REI and the Center for Wood Boats, you have two very strong people-powered vehicle organizations anchoring the neighborhood. Both of them suffer from parking shortages and should be natural allies in encouraging cycling as a way to visit their facilities. Visit them, meet your friends, and talk it up- there should be some sympathetic ears.
Catowner, where are you coming from? I ride the bus to KeyArena for Sonics games pretty frequently and have no problem at all getting back to Ballard. I think the Kent (“Amiga”) Arena vs. KeyArena question is totally a matter of where you live or work.
Also, all this talk about the SLUT being bike unfriendly is missing the real elephant in the room: the City and County took millions that were slated towards increased bus service in the North End and put them towards a streetcar so slow that, at a brisk pace, people can go faster by walking.
Having had about 40 years to study out this problem (and having become somewhat less brisk in that period), there needs to be a balance of providing bus service and trolley service.
Take for example the old #11 that ran out Madison. For all of foreseeable time there will be transit on Madison. That should have been made a streetcar route years ago. There are easily a dozen bus routes in Seattle that should be streetcar routes.
So I don’t have too much sympathy for the idea that bus money was stolen to build the streetcar. I’m not too inclined to argue about it, although a little informed inquiry might not be out of place. Maybe somebody should post and address the question directly.
I do find it funny that Portland keeps coming up from the bicyclist.
For those that say that Portland has installed rubber in the grooves, it doesn’t. I rode on the Streetcar all day on Sunday and there was none to be found.
You can look at the photos I have at http://www.flickr.com/photos/brian_macster/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/brian_macster/sets/72157603493571085/
I’m not actually sure where the idea of rubber in the grooves comes from – I’ve not seen it in use anywhere, and it sounds to me like it would be a major maintenance problem and make the streetcar much less efficient.
The “experience of Portland” to which I was referring was that they have a lot more than 1.3 miles of streetcar, and what they’ve found is that putting the tracks on the right (e.g.:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/brian_macster/2120996074/in/set-72157603493571085/ ) causes cyclist injury blackspots, whereas giving cyclists space to the right of the streetcar (e.g.:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/brian_macster/2120996464/in/set-72157603493571085/ ) is quite safe, with or without rubber filler. That ought to be something Seattle can learn from.
http://www.seattleweekly.com/news/blogs/dailyweekly/2007/12/racing_the_slut.php
This should debunk the myth that you can outrun the streetcar