Comments on: Here comes governance reform

By: Michael

Michael — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 22:16:00 +0000

YES, we should get rid of sub-area equity. And then we should make our ST leaders do a much better job of educating the folks outside of Seattle as to why more $$$ needs to be spent in Seattle.

Better transit in Seattle opens up more capacity on the roadways for commuters from the ‘burbs.

Solving the 520 and Viaduct issues has a huge impact on the movement of freight and other goods.

Freeing up or increasing capacity around SeaTac, the Ports, etc. is what helps rural exports gets out of Washington and imports come in cheaper.

The entire state and the entire region benefits from more emphasis on the biggest bang for the buck, which will often come in Seattle.

As a compromise, perhaps there’s a formula that could be worked out rather than equity, so that a larger percentage could be spent in Seattle, but outer areas would be guaranteed spending?

By: serial catowner

serial catowner — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:41:00 +0000

The only reason to play with a political hot potato like sub-area equity would be to draw a red herring across Tim Eyman’s path. Frankly, let it die on the vine.

What we’re seeing is a last-gasp effort by the roadbuilding coalition to stave off the 21st century. The tide has set sharply against them, and the willingness of the public to finance suburban road projects will not be improved by tolling, the collapse of suburban mortgages, or the rising price of gasoline.

WRT to ST, what we’ve seen in Denver and Salt Lake City is a willingness of the public to approve extensions after they’ve seen the first segment in operation. That extensions are planned and, apparently, even funded in Seattle before the completion of the first segment may mark an understanding by planners of what needs to be done, but may not (as we saw with the Monorail) prove that the public is onboard.

The whole idea of creating a regional authority is one of the stupid and recurring ideas from brain-dead pundits like Van Dyk and the equally brain-dead “business” types (usually PR experts or lawyers) with whom he hoists cocktail glasses. Good grief, why not just proclaim a regional “Transportation Czar”? The only way to make this “regional authority” idea worse is to link it with a specific policy of building more roads and not allowing extensions of ST. Let them stew in their own juices.

By: daimajin

daimajin — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 08:16:00 +0000

Yeah I agree with you cas: we don’t need to do away with sub-area equity, in fact, it would be politically disastrous. However, we should get ride of uniform sub-area taxation, because not everyone as the same appetite for transit, just as they don’t have the same appetite for roads or other public works.

By: Cas

Cas — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 08:08:00 +0000

Here’s the dilemma with sub-area equity. It’s true that it doesn’t make sense to spend as much money in Pierce and Snohomish County as in King County. But so long as the taxes are the same regionally, it doesn’t make political sense to ask people in Tacoma and Everett to pay just as much as Seattle and Bellevue when they won’t get as much direct benefit. Voters outside of King County will never approve that.

Politically, it makes sense to spend money in sub-areas proportional to the revenue raised there. What that tells me is that we need to raise more money in Seattle and East King County for the high-priority projects in those areas, and for quicker construction schedules. Then Pierce and Snohomish can build their part of the regional system at their own pace based on their own revenue and political priorities.

By: daimajin

daimajin — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 03:21:00 +0000

John, the Rice-Stanton governance would probably not even bring light rail to the Eastside. This is about roads, and I think when Gregoire and others say “sub-area equity” they are referring to the Viaduct and 520.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 00:27:00 +0000

I have no current plans to work on a regional proposal. No one has shown much interest.
I support ST going to the ballot this fall should they make that decision and will oppose any efforts in the legislature to prevent them.
My interest in regional issues remains one of planning. We fail to look at the best way to move people and focus on road corridors vs light rail corridors. That is not how you get to an integrated transportation system.
I am not responsible for the uniting RTID and ST. I spent five years, including this year attempting to kill RTID legislatively. The RTID board and their legislative supporters will tell you they considered me their biggest problem in Olympia. Actually I can provide you with the tapes of the hearings that clearly show my record on this brain dead republican idea.
It was ST board members, including ST’s board chair who insisted they be join and stay joined.
I did agree with the Gov to put them together in hopes that we would come up with a better RTID, I was wrong (as I have said for the past year).
The other points you make are great. Subarea equity is killing our ability to speed up ST’s plans.
Regards,
Ed Murray

By: John

John — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:56:00 +0000

On the other hand, if sub-area equity were disappeared then we could fund extensions to the eastside and northgate much quicker. So the few years of strife may be worth it.

I think the sound transit should eliminate sub-area equity and possibly have more taxing authority. I think we absolutely need regional planning, however, so that we have a board that decides to focus on transit, HOV, and tolling as opposed to new roads.

Of course, it’d be a nightmare if the regional planning authority decides to focus on roads and buses more. And Sound Transit is in a very good place right now, it doesn’t make sense to demolish it.