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		<title>By: John Jensen</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/11/01/something-to-ruin-your-weekend/#comment-16270</link>
		<dc:creator>John Jensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 06:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth, I nearly certain the sample size was 162 to have 7.7 MOE. You can use this calculator: http://americanresearchgroup.com/moe.html (A population size anywhere from 160k on up gives the same MOE with 162 voters.)

I wouldn&#039;t trust a poll with +/-7.7% MOE. Prop. 1 may not pass, but this poll will not have been a predictor since the statistical noise is too great.

The poll is telling us that with 95% confidence:

The YES vote is between 33.3% and 48.7%
The NO vote is between 42.3% and 56.7%
The UNDECIDED vote is between 3.3% and 17.7%

Now, we&#039;d like to see YES ahead. But, look, if you&#039;re sampling 162 people there&#039;s definitely a chance that you&#039;re going to under-sample Seattle, under-sample King County as a whole, and under-sample Pierce County. These facts aren&#039;t necessarily over-sights just the effects of how the poll is conducted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, I nearly certain the sample size was 162 to have 7.7 MOE. You can use this calculator: <a href="http://americanresearchgroup.com/moe.html" rel="nofollow">http://americanresearchgroup.com/moe.html</a> (A population size anywhere from 160k on up gives the same MOE with 162 voters.)</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t trust a poll with +/-7.7% MOE. Prop. 1 may not pass, but this poll will not have been a predictor since the statistical noise is too great.</p>
<p>The poll is telling us that with 95% confidence:</p>
<p>The YES vote is between 33.3% and 48.7%<br />
The NO vote is between 42.3% and 56.7%<br />
The UNDECIDED vote is between 3.3% and 17.7%</p>
<p>Now, we&#8217;d like to see YES ahead. But, look, if you&#8217;re sampling 162 people there&#8217;s definitely a chance that you&#8217;re going to under-sample Seattle, under-sample King County as a whole, and under-sample Pierce County. These facts aren&#8217;t necessarily over-sights just the effects of how the poll is conducted.</p>
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		<title>By: Adron</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/11/01/something-to-ruin-your-weekend/#comment-16235</link>
		<dc:creator>Adron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 03:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Polls are generally, the worse measurements ever created.  The word &quot;shit&quot; comes to mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Polls are generally, the worse measurements ever created.  The word &#8220;shit&#8221; comes to mind.</p>
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		<title>By: joshuadf</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/11/01/something-to-ruin-your-weekend/#comment-16203</link>
		<dc:creator>joshuadf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Polls typically do poor in reporting students, too. Let&#039;s hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Polls typically do poor in reporting students, too. Let&#8217;s hope.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Schiendelman</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/11/01/something-to-ruin-your-weekend/#comment-16177</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Schiendelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 19:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s sad is how much KIRO hates transit when they could be reporting on the Port...

I mean, come on. Abuses of what?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s sad is how much KIRO hates transit when they could be reporting on the Port&#8230;</p>
<p>I mean, come on. Abuses of what?</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Schiendelman</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/11/01/something-to-ruin-your-weekend/#comment-16175</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Schiendelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 19:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to disagree on 1000. Oregon has had it for a decade, and we aren&#039;t hearing about any of the scary stories the no campaign is peddling here.

I read more about 1029, and no longer support it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to disagree on 1000. Oregon has had it for a decade, and we aren&#8217;t hearing about any of the scary stories the no campaign is peddling here.</p>
<p>I read more about 1029, and no longer support it.</p>
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		<title>By: AJ</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/11/01/something-to-ruin-your-weekend/#comment-16163</link>
		<dc:creator>AJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 16:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The media wonks I know are portraying KIRO as being smug about it, even though, yes, it will do practically nothing to change the vote.

The night before an election is the best time to position yourself so that if they win, you take them down a peg and if they lose, you spit in their faces.

And KIRO just loves doing that to transit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The media wonks I know are portraying KIRO as being smug about it, even though, yes, it will do practically nothing to change the vote.</p>
<p>The night before an election is the best time to position yourself so that if they win, you take them down a peg and if they lose, you spit in their faces.</p>
<p>And KIRO just loves doing that to transit.</p>
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		<title>By: John Jensen</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Jensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 09:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if you&#039;re joking or not, but a local news broadcast the night before very big elections for governor and president isn&#039;t going to change the direction of things by much. Especially since so many of us vote by mail already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if you&#8217;re joking or not, but a local news broadcast the night before very big elections for governor and president isn&#8217;t going to change the direction of things by much. Especially since so many of us vote by mail already.</p>
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		<title>By: tres_arboles</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/11/01/something-to-ruin-your-weekend/#comment-16116</link>
		<dc:creator>tres_arboles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 04:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ve been doing our part as a family.  See:

http://threetreejournal.blogspot.com/2008/10/puget-sound-grassroots-support-for-mass.html

On the other hand (unfortunately), we are the only Yes on Prop 1 yard sign in a neighborhood otherwise strongly to Obama/Biden and Gregoire.  Hopefully the presence or lack of yard signage is indicative of nothing.

David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve been doing our part as a family.  See:</p>
<p><a href="http://threetreejournal.blogspot.com/2008/10/puget-sound-grassroots-support-for-mass.html" rel="nofollow">http://threetreejournal.blogspot.com/2008/10/puget-sound-grassroots-support-for-mass.html</a></p>
<p>On the other hand (unfortunately), we are the only Yes on Prop 1 yard sign in a neighborhood otherwise strongly to Obama/Biden and Gregoire.  Hopefully the presence or lack of yard signage is indicative of nothing.</p>
<p>David</p>
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		<title>By: AJ</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/11/01/something-to-ruin-your-weekend/#comment-16110</link>
		<dc:creator>AJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 03:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KIRO is going to put the nail in Prop 1&#039;s coffin tomorrow night, an expose on supposed abuses of taxpayer money by Sound Transit.

But the Stranger told us this one would pass, so I&#039;m happy and sure we&#039;ll win by 10%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KIRO is going to put the nail in Prop 1&#8217;s coffin tomorrow night, an expose on supposed abuses of taxpayer money by Sound Transit.</p>
<p>But the Stranger told us this one would pass, so I&#8217;m happy and sure we&#8217;ll win by 10%.</p>
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		<title>By: Pierre</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/11/01/something-to-ruin-your-weekend/#comment-16072</link>
		<dc:creator>Pierre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 18:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont think these transportation measures nationwide are being marketed right because it also doesnt look good for the measure in LA or the CA HSR either. People just think they are expensive measures and that now is not the time for them. I dont hear propenents driving home the point that these transportation projects are exactly what are needed for right now for the jobs and the investment in the economy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont think these transportation measures nationwide are being marketed right because it also doesnt look good for the measure in LA or the CA HSR either. People just think they are expensive measures and that now is not the time for them. I dont hear propenents driving home the point that these transportation projects are exactly what are needed for right now for the jobs and the investment in the economy.</p>
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		<title>By: Keo</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/11/01/something-to-ruin-your-weekend/#comment-16070</link>
		<dc:creator>Keo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 17:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find a poll that only samples 136 people very hard to swallow indeed. 

Speaking of signs, it gives me great pleasure that I have not seen one single anti-prop 1 sign this year. In North Seattle and Bellevue the pro-signs are certainly all over the place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find a poll that only samples 136 people very hard to swallow indeed. </p>
<p>Speaking of signs, it gives me great pleasure that I have not seen one single anti-prop 1 sign this year. In North Seattle and Bellevue the pro-signs are certainly all over the place.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin H. Duke</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/11/01/something-to-ruin-your-weekend/#comment-16061</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin H. Duke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 17:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,

I respect, and largely sympathize with, your general skepticism of initiatives.  I don&#039;t mean to pigeonhole or excommunicate anyone.

However, my limited attention to I-1000 has shown liberal organizations (The Stranger, 37th District Democrats) in favor and socially conservative ones (the Catholic Church) opposed.  I-1029 is sponsored by SEIU, which in my opinion is all you have to know.

I stand by my initial characterization of each initiative, while readily conceding that there are many exceptions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>I respect, and largely sympathize with, your general skepticism of initiatives.  I don&#8217;t mean to pigeonhole or excommunicate anyone.</p>
<p>However, my limited attention to I-1000 has shown liberal organizations (The Stranger, 37th District Democrats) in favor and socially conservative ones (the Catholic Church) opposed.  I-1029 is sponsored by SEIU, which in my opinion is all you have to know.</p>
<p>I stand by my initial characterization of each initiative, while readily conceding that there are many exceptions.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/11/01/something-to-ruin-your-weekend/#comment-16047</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 15:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know whom you call &#039;progressive&#039; but I probably deserve anybody&#039;s definition of the label and I&#039;m completely against all those initiatives (except prop 1). I mean, I&#039;m against initiatives period, but this set are a great example of why they&#039;re so fucktarded. all those initiatives have severe side effects that voters probably never take into account.

1000: What the law permits, the law demands. You already have the right to get morphined up for your last week or two, this really only puts pressure on old people who feel bad about being a burden to off themselves.
1029: Expensive and unnecessary as we slide into a downturn... if this were a good idea, it would already be law because we have a state government whose job it is to monitor this sort of thing.
985 I obviously don&#039;t need to discuss here.

Anyway I&#039;m pretty happy with this result as it looks like Gregoire is winning. It&#039;s too bad that Prop 1 is so close but remember, it&#039;s only in a restricted portion of the state so the polling sample is probably really low. Also I guess maybe it&#039;s the economy&#039;s fault.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know whom you call &#8216;progressive&#8217; but I probably deserve anybody&#8217;s definition of the label and I&#8217;m completely against all those initiatives (except prop 1). I mean, I&#8217;m against initiatives period, but this set are a great example of why they&#8217;re so fucktarded. all those initiatives have severe side effects that voters probably never take into account.</p>
<p>1000: What the law permits, the law demands. You already have the right to get morphined up for your last week or two, this really only puts pressure on old people who feel bad about being a burden to off themselves.<br />
1029: Expensive and unnecessary as we slide into a downturn&#8230; if this were a good idea, it would already be law because we have a state government whose job it is to monitor this sort of thing.<br />
985 I obviously don&#8217;t need to discuss here.</p>
<p>Anyway I&#8217;m pretty happy with this result as it looks like Gregoire is winning. It&#8217;s too bad that Prop 1 is so close but remember, it&#8217;s only in a restricted portion of the state so the polling sample is probably really low. Also I guess maybe it&#8217;s the economy&#8217;s fault.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 05:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t seen any signs or people on the street around downtown Seattle. (The Obama people have had quite a presence there recently.) Come to think of it, I didn&#039;t get anything in the mail, either. Maybe they&#039;re not focusing on people who live in Seattle itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t seen any signs or people on the street around downtown Seattle. (The Obama people have had quite a presence there recently.) Come to think of it, I didn&#8217;t get anything in the mail, either. Maybe they&#8217;re not focusing on people who live in Seattle itself.</p>
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