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		<title>By: Bernie</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/12/14/east-link-thoughts/#comment-27274</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 23:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spot on. I too had looked at the aerial views and if practical, I don&#039;t know much about the finished operation of the Brightwater facility, that would be a great P&amp;R transit hub. There are numerous places in Woodinville that are currently light industrial along the BNSF ROW and perfect for P&amp;R stations. Ten or twenty years from now it will be like trying to find land at Overlake.

The MF options proposed for East Link near the 405 520 interchange are a splendid idea. Not only do they provide a natural interchange with the BNSF route which would be useful in construction of light rail it&#039;s also in the same area as the current Eastside Base. On top of that connecting the segment of East Link from here to the Woodinville Redmond spur would free up the Totem Lake to Woodinville trackage for conversion to trail use. This extends the existing 520 bike trail and ties it back in with the Sammamish River trail between Bothell and Woodinville. That section of rail is problematic because of the number of at grade crossings which have proved to be a safety issue and adversly impact traffic. Although retaining a spur as far north as Par Mac might make sense.

Rail up the east side of Lake Sammamish will never happen. It took years of court battles just to get it changed to a bike trail. Rail there is about as likely as using the Burke Gilman from Bothell to the UW, never happen. And that&#039;s exactly where we&#039;ll be 10 years down the road with ESR if the emphasis now is tearing it up rather than continuing it&#039;s use as a rail corridor.</description>
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Spot on. I too had looked at the aerial views and if practical, I don&#8217;t know much about the finished operation of the Brightwater facility, that would be a great P&amp;R transit hub. There are numerous places in Woodinville that are currently light industrial along the BNSF ROW and perfect for P&amp;R stations. Ten or twenty years from now it will be like trying to find land at Overlake.</p>
<p>The MF options proposed for East Link near the 405 520 interchange are a splendid idea. Not only do they provide a natural interchange with the BNSF route which would be useful in construction of light rail it&#8217;s also in the same area as the current Eastside Base. On top of that connecting the segment of East Link from here to the Woodinville Redmond spur would free up the Totem Lake to Woodinville trackage for conversion to trail use. This extends the existing 520 bike trail and ties it back in with the Sammamish River trail between Bothell and Woodinville. That section of rail is problematic because of the number of at grade crossings which have proved to be a safety issue and adversly impact traffic. Although retaining a spur as far north as Par Mac might make sense.</p>
<p>Rail up the east side of Lake Sammamish will never happen. It took years of court battles just to get it changed to a bike trail. Rail there is about as likely as using the Burke Gilman from Bothell to the UW, never happen. And that&#8217;s exactly where we&#8217;ll be 10 years down the road with ESR if the emphasis now is tearing it up rather than continuing it&#8217;s use as a rail corridor.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: News Round Up - Seattle Transit Blog</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/12/14/east-link-thoughts/#comment-24371</link>
		<dc:creator>News Round Up - Seattle Transit Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 21:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] If Sound Transit should be called &#8220;Seattle Transit&#8221;, East Link should be called &#8220;Bellevue Link&#8220;. [...]</description>
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[...] If Sound Transit should be called &#8220;Seattle Transit&#8221;, East Link should be called &#8220;Bellevue Link&#8220;. [...]<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Chris Stefan</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/12/14/east-link-thoughts/#comment-21497</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The couplet isn&#039;t particularly cheap compared to the C3T tunnel especially when the differences in travel time and ridership are factored in.

C3T gains 3 minutes, 1,500 segment boardings and 4,000 system riders over C4A for a cost difference of $510 million when both connect from B2E.

If you consider $1,220 million, the cost of the most expensive non-tunnel segment B and C combination such as B3/C8E, to be the celling on what Sound Transit is willing to spend for those segments, then only $450 million has to be found to fund the tunnel. I&#039;d hazard a guess some sort of TIF scheme could probably cover the difference.</description>
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The couplet isn&#8217;t particularly cheap compared to the C3T tunnel especially when the differences in travel time and ridership are factored in.</p>
<p>C3T gains 3 minutes, 1,500 segment boardings and 4,000 system riders over C4A for a cost difference of $510 million when both connect from B2E.</p>
<p>If you consider $1,220 million, the cost of the most expensive non-tunnel segment B and C combination such as B3/C8E, to be the celling on what Sound Transit is willing to spend for those segments, then only $450 million has to be found to fund the tunnel. I&#8217;d hazard a guess some sort of TIF scheme could probably cover the difference.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Chris Stefan</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/12/14/east-link-thoughts/#comment-21494</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Max, those numbers are from table 2-6 p. 2-39 of the draft EIS. I&#039;m using those numbers for the differences in cost between the various combinations of segment B and segment C alignments.

I believe the cost ranges given for different potential alignments within a given segment only cover the variable cost of connecting to other segments or adding or dropping optional stations. I don&#039;t believe these ranges cover other potential cost variables such as labor or materials.</description>
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Max, those numbers are from table 2-6 p. 2-39 of the draft EIS. I&#8217;m using those numbers for the differences in cost between the various combinations of segment B and segment C alignments.</p>
<p>I believe the cost ranges given for different potential alignments within a given segment only cover the variable cost of connecting to other segments or adding or dropping optional stations. I don&#8217;t believe these ranges cover other potential cost variables such as labor or materials.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Seattle Transit Blog&#187; South Bellevue</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/12/14/east-link-thoughts/#comment-21488</link>
		<dc:creator>Seattle Transit Blog&#187; South Bellevue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] already pointed to all the great new information on East Link, but I&#8217;d just like to come out against the &#8220;B7&#8243; (I-405) alignment in South [...]</description>
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[...] already pointed to all the great new information on East Link, but I&#8217;d just like to come out against the &#8220;B7&#8243; (I-405) alignment in South [...]<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Seattle Transit Blog&#187; South Bellevue</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/12/14/east-link-thoughts/#comment-21489</link>
		<dc:creator>Seattle Transit Blog&#187; South Bellevue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] already pointed to all the great new information on East Link, but I&#8217;d just like to come out against the &#8220;B7&#8243; (I-405) alignment in South [...]</description>
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[...] already pointed to all the great new information on East Link, but I&#8217;d just like to come out against the &#8220;B7&#8243; (I-405) alignment in South [...]<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: L. Smith</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/12/14/east-link-thoughts/#comment-21467</link>
		<dc:creator>L. Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What if Bellevue wants to pony up the money before construction begins?</description>
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What if Bellevue wants to pony up the money before construction begins?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: L. Smith</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/12/14/east-link-thoughts/#comment-21466</link>
		<dc:creator>L. Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, never mind then. I guess I shouldn&#039;t have campaigned for Mass Transit Now!; Nothing that even connects indirectly with ST2&#039;s expansions is less than three blocks from my house.</description>
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Oh, never mind then. I guess I shouldn&#8217;t have campaigned for Mass Transit Now!; Nothing that even connects indirectly with ST2&#8242;s expansions is less than three blocks from my house.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Jon K.</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/12/14/east-link-thoughts/#comment-21460</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 05:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go with the couplet now. If, in 20 years, Bellevue wants to pony up the money to put the line underground, then great. But building elevated now means elevated always. I&#039;d rather see more track-mileage built than an extremely elaborate but short line.</description>
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Go with the couplet now. If, in 20 years, Bellevue wants to pony up the money to put the line underground, then great. But building elevated now means elevated always. I&#8217;d rather see more track-mileage built than an extremely elaborate but short line.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Jojo</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/12/14/east-link-thoughts/#comment-21452</link>
		<dc:creator>Jojo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 02:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the Old Bellevue alignment, but like others said above, the section in South Bellevue isn&#039;t grade-separated, which we&#039;d really need to avoid. How about the next tunnel option (under 108th) but with a station at Main and 108th?? (One block east of the other proposed old bellevue station).

I think that should be considered.</description>
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I like the Old Bellevue alignment, but like others said above, the section in South Bellevue isn&#8217;t grade-separated, which we&#8217;d really need to avoid. How about the next tunnel option (under 108th) but with a station at Main and 108th?? (One block east of the other proposed old bellevue station).</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/12/14/east-link-thoughts/#comment-21450</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 01:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the old bellevue one the best, though the expense will probably rule it out. 

The station is very close to downtown park, which is the best park in bellevue imo and it&#039;s also close to gilbert&#039;s, which has the best sandwiches on the east side.</description>
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I like the old bellevue one the best, though the expense will probably rule it out. </p>
<p>The station is very close to downtown park, which is the best park in bellevue imo and it&#8217;s also close to gilbert&#8217;s, which has the best sandwiches on the east side.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: max</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/12/14/east-link-thoughts/#comment-21449</link>
		<dc:creator>max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 01:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like I said above, it makes no sense to compare the cheapest for one, with the most expensive for another.

Whatever is going to make one cheap, is likely going to make the other cheap, too. Whether it&#039;s construction costs, land costs, labor costs, materials costs, etc.

Your estimates are very misleading!</description>
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Like I said above, it makes no sense to compare the cheapest for one, with the most expensive for another.</p>
<p>Whatever is going to make one cheap, is likely going to make the other cheap, too. Whether it&#8217;s construction costs, land costs, labor costs, materials costs, etc.</p>
<p>Your estimates are very misleading!<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: max</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/12/14/east-link-thoughts/#comment-21448</link>
		<dc:creator>max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 01:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re comparing the cheapest point of the B2E/C3T to the most expensive point for B3/C4A.

If it&#039;s going to be the cheapest for b2e/c3t, I would guess for the same reasons* it would be the cheapest for b3/c4a, which means that the difference is more like $540 million, and if it&#039;s the most expensive for B3/C4A, I think for the same reasons* it would be a difference of $590 million.

*whether those are low construction materials price, lower land values, etc.</description>
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You&#8217;re comparing the cheapest point of the B2E/C3T to the most expensive point for B3/C4A.</p>
<p>If it&#8217;s going to be the cheapest for b2e/c3t, I would guess for the same reasons* it would be the cheapest for b3/c4a, which means that the difference is more like $540 million, and if it&#8217;s the most expensive for B3/C4A, I think for the same reasons* it would be a difference of $590 million.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/12/14/east-link-thoughts/#comment-21444</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 01:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, there&#039;s no way to avoid going through bellevue to get to anywhere except, I guess, turning immediately south.</description>
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Yeah, there&#8217;s no way to avoid going through bellevue to get to anywhere except, I guess, turning immediately south.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Zach</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/12/14/east-link-thoughts/#comment-21443</link>
		<dc:creator>Zach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The city center Redmond options are the exact same ones they presented to us almost two years ago, in the last ST workshop I went to...


...I will have to block out some time on the 21st; thanks for posting the info.</description>
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The city center Redmond options are the exact same ones they presented to us almost two years ago, in the last ST workshop I went to&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;I will have to block out some time on the 21st; thanks for posting the info.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: ericn</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/12/14/east-link-thoughts/#comment-21442</link>
		<dc:creator>ericn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like the link got mangled; here it is again: &lt;a href=&quot;http://future.soundtransit.org/documents/SYS_LRT_Link_Maintenance_Bases_Vehicles_Operations_2008.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;SYS_LRT_Link_Maintenance_Bases_Vehicles_Operations_2008.pdf&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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Looks like the link got mangled; here it is again: <a href="http://future.soundtransit.org/documents/SYS_LRT_Link_Maintenance_Bases_Vehicles_Operations_2008.pdf" rel="nofollow">SYS_LRT_Link_Maintenance_Bases_Vehicles_Operations_2008.pdf</a><!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: ericn</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/12/14/east-link-thoughts/#comment-21441</link>
		<dc:creator>ericn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to the &lt;a href=&quot;http://future.soundtransit.org/documents/SYS_LRT_Link_Maintenance_Bases_Vehicles_Op will be Lynnwood-Overlake and Northgate-272nd, BUT Lynnwood-272nd (instead of Northgate-272nd) during peak hours. Each line will run every 7 minutes peak, 10 minutes off-peak.</description>
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According to the &lt;a href=&#8221;http://future.soundtransit.org/documents/SYS_LRT_Link_Maintenance_Bases_Vehicles_Op will be Lynnwood-Overlake and Northgate-272nd, BUT Lynnwood-272nd (instead of Northgate-272nd) during peak hours. Each line will run every 7 minutes peak, 10 minutes off-peak.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: ericn</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/12/14/east-link-thoughts/#comment-21439</link>
		<dc:creator>ericn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That won&#039;t happen; his offices are at Bellevue Way and NE 8th, a couple blocks west of any of the proposed options.</description>
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That won&#8217;t happen; his offices are at Bellevue Way and NE 8th, a couple blocks west of any of the proposed options.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: alexjonlin</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/12/14/east-link-thoughts/#comment-21438</link>
		<dc:creator>alexjonlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another thing I&#039;m curious about is the configuration of the lines. I heard someone a little while ago saying it would be Lynnwood-Overlake and Northgate-Highline, but I think it would make sense the other way around (Northgate-Overlake and Lynnwood-Highline). And I wonder if we&#039;ll still call the lines East Link and Central Link or if they&#039;ll rebrand them as colors.</description>
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Another thing I&#8217;m curious about is the configuration of the lines. I heard someone a little while ago saying it would be Lynnwood-Overlake and Northgate-Highline, but I think it would make sense the other way around (Northgate-Overlake and Lynnwood-Highline). And I wonder if we&#8217;ll still call the lines East Link and Central Link or if they&#8217;ll rebrand them as colors.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: alexjonlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>alexjonlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And also, I think light rail to Sammamish is quite far out. They hardly even have any buses there. Maybe run some DMUs from an Issaquah Link station to the Redmond Link stations via Sammamish in a couple decades</description>
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And also, I think light rail to Sammamish is quite far out. They hardly even have any buses there. Maybe run some DMUs from an Issaquah Link station to the Redmond Link stations via Sammamish in a couple decades<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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