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		<title>By: Not Transit Related: P-I News is Bad News - Seattle Transit Blog</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/12/15/misquoted/#comment-24721</link>
		<dc:creator>Not Transit Related: P-I News is Bad News - Seattle Transit Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 22:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] have seen covered by newspapers will be left to individuals on blogs to cover. As we have seen the recent Sound Transit tax issue, you don&#8217;t always get conclusive facts when average citizens try to be [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] have seen covered by newspapers will be left to individuals on blogs to cover. As we have seen the recent Sound Transit tax issue, you don&#8217;t always get conclusive facts when average citizens try to be [...]</p>
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		<title>By: MarkS</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/12/15/misquoted/#comment-21903</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad can do &quot;more stories&quot; about how he overcharged himself and his customers.

Notice how Brad refused to even comment on AJ&#039;s well-cited post above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad can do &#8220;more stories&#8221; about how he overcharged himself and his customers.</p>
<p>Notice how Brad refused to even comment on AJ&#8217;s well-cited post above.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkS</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/12/15/misquoted/#comment-21677</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever you say, John J.  I am just an interloper. For all I know, Rush Limbaugh and Mother Theresa are on the same cosmic &amp; moral equal footing.  

One cannot question (somebody like) Dick Cheney&#039;s motives, either.  Cheney deserves the benefit of doubt just as much as the next guy.   The burden of proof rests with us.  Not him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever you say, John J.  I am just an interloper. For all I know, Rush Limbaugh and Mother Theresa are on the same cosmic &amp; moral equal footing.  </p>
<p>One cannot question (somebody like) Dick Cheney&#8217;s motives, either.  Cheney deserves the benefit of doubt just as much as the next guy.   The burden of proof rests with us.  Not him.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Schiendelman</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/12/15/misquoted/#comment-21663</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Schiendelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 05:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woo, more stories! I can&#039;t wait to see more unverifiable claims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woo, more stories! I can&#8217;t wait to see more unverifiable claims.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Schiendelman</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/12/15/misquoted/#comment-21662</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Schiendelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 05:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is exactly what I&#039;ve been saying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is exactly what I&#8217;ve been saying.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkS</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/12/15/misquoted/#comment-21644</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 01:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I don’t understand why Brad reporting on something at Seattlest passes the burden of further investigating this case on to us.&quot;

Asking why was your first mistake, John.  These clowns are employing a typical schoolyard debate tactic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I don’t understand why Brad reporting on something at Seattlest passes the burden of further investigating this case on to us.&#8221;</p>
<p>Asking why was your first mistake, John.  These clowns are employing a typical schoolyard debate tactic.</p>
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		<title>By: John Jensen</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/12/15/misquoted/#comment-21639</link>
		<dc:creator>John Jensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 00:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, knock it off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, knock it off.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkS</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/12/15/misquoted/#comment-21638</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 00:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We?&quot;  I thought Seattlest was a blog about Seattle.  Why not start up Duvallest, Woodinvillest or Carnationest, Brad?

So, does that mean your Seattlest editor is drinking the funny water, too?  

&quot;I’ve said enough here.&quot;

WTF?  You haven&#039;t said anything, Brad.  

&quot;The inconsistencies are huge?&quot;  What does that mean?  

Are you trying to speak in tongues, or is this the way you always write/think outside the usual sports echo chamber?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We?&#8221;  I thought Seattlest was a blog about Seattle.  Why not start up Duvallest, Woodinvillest or Carnationest, Brad?</p>
<p>So, does that mean your Seattlest editor is drinking the funny water, too?  </p>
<p>&#8220;I’ve said enough here.&#8221;</p>
<p>WTF?  You haven&#8217;t said anything, Brad.  </p>
<p>&#8220;The inconsistencies are huge?&#8221;  What does that mean?  </p>
<p>Are you trying to speak in tongues, or is this the way you always write/think outside the usual sports echo chamber?</p>
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		<title>By: brad</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/12/15/misquoted/#comment-21619</link>
		<dc:creator>brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve said enough here.  

We&#039;ll be doing many more stories on this at Seattlest.  Hope to see you all there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve said enough here.  </p>
<p>We&#8217;ll be doing many more stories on this at Seattlest.  Hope to see you all there.</p>
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		<title>By: AJ</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/12/15/misquoted/#comment-21618</link>
		<dc:creator>AJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How much did your MVET bill say you paid? How much did your tax records say you paid?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How much did your MVET bill say you paid? How much did your tax records say you paid?</p>
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		<title>By: brad</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/12/15/misquoted/#comment-21616</link>
		<dc:creator>brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s the point, Mark.  It&#039;s NOT on my renewal.

The inconsistencies are huge. Left hand, meet right hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s the point, Mark.  It&#8217;s NOT on my renewal.</p>
<p>The inconsistencies are huge. Left hand, meet right hand.</p>
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		<title>By: John Jensen</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/12/15/misquoted/#comment-21615</link>
		<dc:creator>John Jensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(But of course I feel that Brad deserves the benefit of the doubt, and we&#039;ll see how things turn out.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(But of course I feel that Brad deserves the benefit of the doubt, and we&#8217;ll see how things turn out.)</p>
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		<title>By: John Jensen</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/12/15/misquoted/#comment-21614</link>
		<dc:creator>John Jensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Seattlest post has been updated to clear up these remarks. Still, the editor has inserted, &quot;They are not interested, apparently, in the looking into the situation further.&quot; which I don&#039;t feel is very accurate. I don&#039;t understand why Brad reporting on something at Seattlest passes the burden of further investigating this case on to us. But we have investigated, and have yet to find anyone besides Brad who experienced this case. Given that sales tax numbers are self-reported, we feel that there is some margin of error.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Seattlest post has been updated to clear up these remarks. Still, the editor has inserted, &#8220;They are not interested, apparently, in the looking into the situation further.&#8221; which I don&#8217;t feel is very accurate. I don&#8217;t understand why Brad reporting on something at Seattlest passes the burden of further investigating this case on to us. But we have investigated, and have yet to find anyone besides Brad who experienced this case. Given that sales tax numbers are self-reported, we feel that there is some margin of error.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkS</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/12/15/misquoted/#comment-21613</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great idea, Tim.  You should contact your state legislators / senator about sponsoring legislation which might achieve this goal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great idea, Tim.  You should contact your state legislators / senator about sponsoring legislation which might achieve this goal.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkS</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/12/15/misquoted/#comment-21611</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad, what do you mean you don&#039;t buy cars often?   What does that have to do with anything???   MVET / car tabs are paid on a yearly basis.  Not when you buy a car.  

The annual statement from the DOL breaks down each tax and fee, and clearly identifies the &quot;Regional Transit Authority&quot; portion.  If your car is 11 years old, you would have seen this breakdown 10 times.   

As I stated earlier:  stick to sports.  Or, tell us what your real agenda is here.   

Is it in the water out there, or what?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad, what do you mean you don&#8217;t buy cars often?   What does that have to do with anything???   MVET / car tabs are paid on a yearly basis.  Not when you buy a car.  </p>
<p>The annual statement from the DOL breaks down each tax and fee, and clearly identifies the &#8220;Regional Transit Authority&#8221; portion.  If your car is 11 years old, you would have seen this breakdown 10 times.   </p>
<p>As I stated earlier:  stick to sports.  Or, tell us what your real agenda is here.   </p>
<p>Is it in the water out there, or what?</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Whittome</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/12/15/misquoted/#comment-21609</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Whittome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I said in a previous post, the RTA&#039;s boundaries seem way too narrow to my eyes - especially on the eastside and in the Issaquah area.  My family uses ST buses at the Issaquah P&amp;R but where we live is not part of ST tax district.

My suggestion should be that for those of us outside of the official taxing area, the DOL should make it an optional extra and ask us if we want to be included or not in the MVET or in our annual license fees.  I am sure there are many of us who would be only too happy to contribute into ST&#039;s funding pools.  Heck, I would have been happy contributing to the Seattle Monorail and remember asking at the time if those of us outside of Seattle could make a voluntary contribution.

Tim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I said in a previous post, the RTA&#8217;s boundaries seem way too narrow to my eyes &#8211; especially on the eastside and in the Issaquah area.  My family uses ST buses at the Issaquah P&amp;R but where we live is not part of ST tax district.</p>
<p>My suggestion should be that for those of us outside of the official taxing area, the DOL should make it an optional extra and ask us if we want to be included or not in the MVET or in our annual license fees.  I am sure there are many of us who would be only too happy to contribute into ST&#8217;s funding pools.  Heck, I would have been happy contributing to the Seattle Monorail and remember asking at the time if those of us outside of Seattle could make a voluntary contribution.</p>
<p>Tim</p>
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		<title>By: brad</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/12/15/misquoted/#comment-21598</link>
		<dc:creator>brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My car is 11 years old, Andrew.  I didn&#039;t even know there was an MVET component to the overall RTA tax structure until the story about the lawsuit broke a few weeks ago.  Why should I? I don&#039;t buy cars that often.

Your version of my reality is much more glam tho.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My car is 11 years old, Andrew.  I didn&#8217;t even know there was an MVET component to the overall RTA tax structure until the story about the lawsuit broke a few weeks ago.  Why should I? I don&#8217;t buy cars that often.</p>
<p>Your version of my reality is much more glam tho.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Smith</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/12/15/misquoted/#comment-21581</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 08:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I came to basically the same conclusion after poking around on the state&#039;s sites. No one told him to charge that rate, he just assumed that he was within the district, without verifying, because his MVET told him he was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came to basically the same conclusion after poking around on the state&#8217;s sites. No one told him to charge that rate, he just assumed that he was within the district, without verifying, because his MVET told him he was.</p>
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		<title>By: AJ</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/12/15/misquoted/#comment-21561</link>
		<dc:creator>AJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 03:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look at &lt;a href=&quot;http://dor.wa.gov/Content/FindTaxesandRates/SalesAndUseTaxRates/LookUpATaxRate/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;.

It shows that we have a very specific determination of tax rates based on latitude/longitude and your +4 zip code. It&#039;s nothing like MVET determinations that use a straight zip with no +4 code.

Also, the important part: &lt;b&gt;Businesses themselves do their own calculations.&lt;/b&gt;

Do remember that there was a massive restructuring of the tax code. First, you had the shift of the ST boundary at 2002. Second, you have the focused reassessment of the boundary when Transit Now! passed. There&#039;s also the shift in the system in anticipation of a destination-based sales tax that was bandied about and prepped-for since the early aughts, that destination-based sales tax passing in &#039;07 and active as of July of this year.

While we often find a gray area in variable tax codes, it&#039;s hard to imagine that being a major problem here. Washington and all states have been using GIS since 2000: http://dor.wa.gov/content/FindTaxesAndRates/Downloads.aspx

Also, brad should have gone here first before attempting to publicly finagle money from the system with heretofore unsubstantiated assumptions: http://dor.wa.gov/content/FileAndPayTaxes/Appeals/Default.aspx -- failing that, he can go here if the DoR finds against him: http://bta.state.wa.us/

What&#039;s going on here is an attempt to build a large amount of enmity between the public and Sound Transit and the Department of Revenue before attempting to foment mass hysteria. Ochlocratia. Mobocracy.

I had previously not believed it to be anything inflammatory, just more curious questioning of the system, something of a pastime for me-- but when it escalated into RTAgate and grim hypotheticals being bandied about, it smacked of something a little darker. Libel at worst, shrill bitching at best (I still think some cash was assessed incorrectly, but probably much much MUCH less than $1m; that&#039;s the nature of taxation, especially if someone has improperly registered their business, but even then they should know beforehand when their documents are improperly addressed).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look at <a href="http://dor.wa.gov/Content/FindTaxesandRates/SalesAndUseTaxRates/LookUpATaxRate/" rel="nofollow">this</a>.</p>
<p>It shows that we have a very specific determination of tax rates based on latitude/longitude and your +4 zip code. It&#8217;s nothing like MVET determinations that use a straight zip with no +4 code.</p>
<p>Also, the important part: <b>Businesses themselves do their own calculations.</b></p>
<p>Do remember that there was a massive restructuring of the tax code. First, you had the shift of the ST boundary at 2002. Second, you have the focused reassessment of the boundary when Transit Now! passed. There&#8217;s also the shift in the system in anticipation of a destination-based sales tax that was bandied about and prepped-for since the early aughts, that destination-based sales tax passing in &#8216;07 and active as of July of this year.</p>
<p>While we often find a gray area in variable tax codes, it&#8217;s hard to imagine that being a major problem here. Washington and all states have been using GIS since 2000: <a href="http://dor.wa.gov/content/FindTaxesAndRates/Downloads.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://dor.wa.gov/content/FindTaxesAndRates/Downloads.aspx</a></p>
<p>Also, brad should have gone here first before attempting to publicly finagle money from the system with heretofore unsubstantiated assumptions: <a href="http://dor.wa.gov/content/FileAndPayTaxes/Appeals/Default.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://dor.wa.gov/content/FileAndPayTaxes/Appeals/Default.aspx</a> &#8212; failing that, he can go here if the DoR finds against him: <a href="http://bta.state.wa.us/" rel="nofollow">http://bta.state.wa.us/</a></p>
<p>What&#8217;s going on here is an attempt to build a large amount of enmity between the public and Sound Transit and the Department of Revenue before attempting to foment mass hysteria. Ochlocratia. Mobocracy.</p>
<p>I had previously not believed it to be anything inflammatory, just more curious questioning of the system, something of a pastime for me&#8211; but when it escalated into RTAgate and grim hypotheticals being bandied about, it smacked of something a little darker. Libel at worst, shrill bitching at best (I still think some cash was assessed incorrectly, but probably much much MUCH less than $1m; that&#8217;s the nature of taxation, especially if someone has improperly registered their business, but even then they should know beforehand when their documents are improperly addressed).</p>
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		<title>By: Zach</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/12/15/misquoted/#comment-21559</link>
		<dc:creator>Zach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 02:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama to arrive at Inaugral by train (from MSNBC).

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28235124/</description>
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<p><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28235124/" rel="nofollow">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28235124/</a></p>
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