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	<title>Comments on: Tuesday&#8217;s Snowpocalypse Open Thread</title>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/12/23/snow/#comment-22600</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 20:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree on that communication issue.  My 230 was sometimes on the Adverse route sometimes not.

As I was wheeling back to my house the other day, I saw someone standing at my home bus stop and told them to head to 164th (where I was dropped off on the adverse route) only to find the next bus passing my house down NE 8th.</description>
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Agree on that communication issue.  My 230 was sometimes on the Adverse route sometimes not.</p>
<p>As I was wheeling back to my house the other day, I saw someone standing at my home bus stop and told them to head to 164th (where I was dropped off on the adverse route) only to find the next bus passing my house down NE 8th.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey CapHill</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/12/23/snow/#comment-22572</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey CapHill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 16:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with all of this, especially the kicking in the nuts part.  I&#039;d add that certain SDOT managers need to be fired over this, including the head of SDOT.  Their policies have left the streets in terrible condition which has crippled Metro and their actions are simply unacceptable.</description>
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I agree with all of this, especially the kicking in the nuts part.  I&#8217;d add that certain SDOT managers need to be fired over this, including the head of SDOT.  Their policies have left the streets in terrible condition which has crippled Metro and their actions are simply unacceptable.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Smith</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/12/23/snow/#comment-22525</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 08:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah the same thing happened to me. The bus was moved to the suspended list without any real warning.</description>
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Yeah the same thing happened to me. The bus was moved to the suspended list without any real warning.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Smith</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/12/23/snow/#comment-22524</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 08:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got cabin fever so bad, that I go to the supermarket just to buy water. I&#039;ve got enough to last out the next 20 storms now.</description>
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I got cabin fever so bad, that I go to the supermarket just to buy water. I&#8217;ve got enough to last out the next 20 storms now.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Smith</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/12/23/snow/#comment-22523</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 08:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They are trying to keep the situation flexible, but that doesn&#039;t work for riders.

Flexibility = chaos and confusion.</description>
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They are trying to keep the situation flexible, but that doesn&#8217;t work for riders.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/12/23/snow/#comment-22517</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 05:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s been my experience that Metro does not learn from their adverse weather poor performance.  How they reacted in 1990 is how they are reacting today, and how they are reacting today is how they will react during out next big snow storm.  They have this attitude of, when the snow comes, we&#039;re going to do what we&#039;ve always done, and things are going to quickly fall apart, but there&#039;s nothing we can do about it.</description>
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It&#8217;s been my experience that Metro does not learn from their adverse weather poor performance.  How they reacted in 1990 is how they are reacting today, and how they are reacting today is how they will react during out next big snow storm.  They have this attitude of, when the snow comes, we&#8217;re going to do what we&#8217;ve always done, and things are going to quickly fall apart, but there&#8217;s nothing we can do about it.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: ericn</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/12/23/snow/#comment-22515</link>
		<dc:creator>ericn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 05:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to echo this again, Metro really needs better communication. Route 240 was running pretty normally on reroute over the weekend, and apparently yesterday too. This evening there were a bunch of people at South Bellevue P&amp;R trying to transfer from the 550/560 to the 240, but the 240 never showed up. Turns out it&#039;s now listed on Metro&#039;s website as temporarily suspended. 

If Metro stops running a route that has earlier been running in adverse weather, they should at least let other bus drivers know that the route doesn&#039;t exist for the time being, so the people waiting can at least take a bus halfway to their destination. I shouldn&#039;t have to check Metro&#039;s website multiple times a day to see if my bus home still exists or not.</description>
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Just to echo this again, Metro really needs better communication. Route 240 was running pretty normally on reroute over the weekend, and apparently yesterday too. This evening there were a bunch of people at South Bellevue P&amp;R trying to transfer from the 550/560 to the 240, but the 240 never showed up. Turns out it&#8217;s now listed on Metro&#8217;s website as temporarily suspended. </p>
<p>If Metro stops running a route that has earlier been running in adverse weather, they should at least let other bus drivers know that the route doesn&#8217;t exist for the time being, so the people waiting can at least take a bus halfway to their destination. I shouldn&#8217;t have to check Metro&#8217;s website multiple times a day to see if my bus home still exists or not.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/12/23/snow/#comment-22507</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 03:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been avoiding making the trip from Kent to Lynnwood for several days, and for good reason.

The roads were so icy this morning that I didn&#039;t even feel comfortable crossing the street to get a commuter bus, so I took a bus to Kent Station (so far relatively no problem)

I get there and immediately head for the commuter bay No more commuters as the 162 is cancelled.

I head for Sounder. Oh yeah, holiday schedule. No train for two hours.

564? Nope cancelled.

FINE! I&#039;LL TAKE THE 150! I waited 50 minutes for one to show. With so few Seattle options, and three 150s missed, the line to get on the bus was insane.

The 150 took twice as long as normal to get to Seattle, and of course we lost our chains on the freeway.

Downtown was very slick walking and after waiting for almost an hour a 511 came along. It took almost a half an hour to get through downtown before hitting the freeway.

Luckily, someone picked me up at LTC or who knows what I would&#039;ve run into on local CT routes.

Total trip time: Almost five hours. Normally that trip takes around two hours. I managed to keep from falling on my face until later in the day when walking back to the car. Not leaving this house for a few days. 

I can&#039;t emphasize enough how tough it is to walk out there. I didn&#039;t have any issues all week, but today was VERY VERY TOUGH.</description>
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I&#8217;ve been avoiding making the trip from Kent to Lynnwood for several days, and for good reason.</p>
<p>The roads were so icy this morning that I didn&#8217;t even feel comfortable crossing the street to get a commuter bus, so I took a bus to Kent Station (so far relatively no problem)</p>
<p>I get there and immediately head for the commuter bay No more commuters as the 162 is cancelled.</p>
<p>I head for Sounder. Oh yeah, holiday schedule. No train for two hours.</p>
<p>564? Nope cancelled.</p>
<p>FINE! I&#8217;LL TAKE THE 150! I waited 50 minutes for one to show. With so few Seattle options, and three 150s missed, the line to get on the bus was insane.</p>
<p>The 150 took twice as long as normal to get to Seattle, and of course we lost our chains on the freeway.</p>
<p>Downtown was very slick walking and after waiting for almost an hour a 511 came along. It took almost a half an hour to get through downtown before hitting the freeway.</p>
<p>Luckily, someone picked me up at LTC or who knows what I would&#8217;ve run into on local CT routes.</p>
<p>Total trip time: Almost five hours. Normally that trip takes around two hours. I managed to keep from falling on my face until later in the day when walking back to the car. Not leaving this house for a few days. </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t emphasize enough how tough it is to walk out there. I didn&#8217;t have any issues all week, but today was VERY VERY TOUGH.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Robert Mann</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/12/23/snow/#comment-22493</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Mann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 23:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it&#039;s any help to y&#039;all, it was Sunny and 68 in Jacksonville today. No snow delays expected, 70&#039;s tomorrow. 

We do have our moments though, short as they might be, when switch heaters wouldn&#039;t be a bad idea. Oh I know, &quot;what does a Florida guy know about cold?&quot; 

I worked in Portland, and the Andes for several years, so don&#039;t be shocked when I tell you I&#039;ve seen +8 degrees HERE in JAX! But not this year ... so far so good. 

BOB</description>
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If it&#8217;s any help to y&#8217;all, it was Sunny and 68 in Jacksonville today. No snow delays expected, 70&#8242;s tomorrow. </p>
<p>We do have our moments though, short as they might be, when switch heaters wouldn&#8217;t be a bad idea. Oh I know, &#8220;what does a Florida guy know about cold?&#8221; </p>
<p>I worked in Portland, and the Andes for several years, so don&#8217;t be shocked when I tell you I&#8217;ve seen +8 degrees HERE in JAX! But not this year &#8230; so far so good. </p>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/12/23/snow/#comment-22479</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 20:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s what I figured (and that&#039;s where I caught it when I headed out today).

To the rider who cleared the stop of snowplow drift so the driver could operate the lift, a big thank-you. To my neighbor who cleared the stops in front of my house: thank-you as well</description>
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That&#8217;s what I figured (and that&#8217;s where I caught it when I headed out today).</p>
<p>To the rider who cleared the stop of snowplow drift so the driver could operate the lift, a big thank-you. To my neighbor who cleared the stops in front of my house: thank-you as well<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/12/23/snow/#comment-22471</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 20:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jessica: I rode the 230 on Sun. night and from NE 24th to NE 8th Sts., it was using the published adverse weather route (i.e., it stayed on 164th Ave. NE).

The &lt;a title=&quot;Metro Transit Ice &amp; Snow Routes page&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; doesn&#039;t specifically say the 230 is using the adverse weather route today, but I would bet it is, especially since the page still mentions another detour that I saw Sun. night (using Bel-Red instead of NE 8th west of 148th Ave.).

The bus I took was about 15 min. early (or, more likely, 45 min. late). Sadly, there&#039;s no easy way to predict its arrival, as tools like One Bus Away can&#039;t adjust for adverse weather routes.

Conditions today are better though . . . I would expect the 230 to be more or less on time, but expect to catch it at 164th Ave.</description>
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@Jessica: I rode the 230 on Sun. night and from NE 24th to NE 8th Sts., it was using the published adverse weather route (i.e., it stayed on 164th Ave. NE).</p>
<p>The <a title="Metro Transit Ice &amp; Snow Routes page" rel="nofollow"> doesn&#8217;t specifically say the 230 is using the adverse weather route today, but I would bet it is, especially since the page still mentions another detour that I saw Sun. night (using Bel-Red instead of NE 8th west of 148th Ave.).</p>
<p>The bus I took was about 15 min. early (or, more likely, 45 min. late). Sadly, there&#8217;s no easy way to predict its arrival, as tools like One Bus Away can&#8217;t adjust for adverse weather routes.</p>
<p>Conditions today are better though . . . I would expect the 230 to be more or less on time, but expect to catch it at 164th Ave.<!-- google_ad_section_end --><br />
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/12/23/snow/#comment-22469</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 20:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was able to safely catch my bus and yeah my stop is level (the downslope starts at 170th and points east).  Thanks to a neighbor who knows I catch the bus all the time and cleared the stop on both sides of the street for me :)</description>
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I was able to safely catch my bus and yeah my stop is level (the downslope starts at 170th and points east).  Thanks to a neighbor who knows I catch the bus all the time and cleared the stop on both sides of the street for me :)<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/12/23/snow/#comment-22467</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 19:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Sam</description>
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		<title>By: serial catowner</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/12/23/snow/#comment-22466</link>
		<dc:creator>serial catowner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 19:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sympathize with the cabin fever everyone is starting to suffer from.  But the fact is that American workers are about the most productive in the world, and we work longer hours than any other industrialized nation.  Getting stuck in the snow for a few days is not going to kill us.

Saving up a little for this kind of situation is a small price to pay for the savings inherent in just taking it slow for a few days now.  The just-in-time culture has become a monster devouring our civilization, and for no reason at all when it comes to stuff like canned beans that can be delivered months in advance.

And if anyone is going to stay mobile, let&#039;s start with the people who work in hospitals, homeless shelters, and clearing the streets.  Some years the nursing home I visit sends a chained-up van around to pick up employees.  This kind of program should be supported and general.

And, sure, I&#039;d like to just scatter some salt to clear my drive.  That would sure beat shoveling.  That, and every hardware store in the region stocked with salt and pesticides, plus $22, will get you a pound of salmon- from Alaska.  There used to be salmon in Puget Sound, but you don&#039;t see much for sale now.

Cheer up.  A fair number of readers will have moved somewhere else before the next big storm.  Or, if not, at least they&#039;ll be stocked with candles and food- right?</description>
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I sympathize with the cabin fever everyone is starting to suffer from.  But the fact is that American workers are about the most productive in the world, and we work longer hours than any other industrialized nation.  Getting stuck in the snow for a few days is not going to kill us.</p>
<p>Saving up a little for this kind of situation is a small price to pay for the savings inherent in just taking it slow for a few days now.  The just-in-time culture has become a monster devouring our civilization, and for no reason at all when it comes to stuff like canned beans that can be delivered months in advance.</p>
<p>And if anyone is going to stay mobile, let&#8217;s start with the people who work in hospitals, homeless shelters, and clearing the streets.  Some years the nursing home I visit sends a chained-up van around to pick up employees.  This kind of program should be supported and general.</p>
<p>And, sure, I&#8217;d like to just scatter some salt to clear my drive.  That would sure beat shoveling.  That, and every hardware store in the region stocked with salt and pesticides, plus $22, will get you a pound of salmon- from Alaska.  There used to be salmon in Puget Sound, but you don&#8217;t see much for sale now.</p>
<p>Cheer up.  A fair number of readers will have moved somewhere else before the next big storm.  Or, if not, at least they&#8217;ll be stocked with candles and food- right?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: andrew cencini</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/12/23/snow/#comment-22465</link>
		<dc:creator>andrew cencini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 19:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Metro seems to have the institutional short-term memory of a chicken - about 6 seconds.  Every storm we have, they &quot;learn&quot; the same lessons over and over again:

(1) Communication is key and needs to be improved.  I&#039;ve heard that at least a half dozen times in the past 3-4 years.  What&#039;s noticeably changed?

(2) Articulated buses don&#039;t do well in ice and snow.  Same as (1).  The &quot;learning&quot; process would be to communicate to customers ahead of time that under a snow plan, artics will be pulled and service reduced but at least 40-footers will show up somewhat regularly, and people, drivers and equipment won&#039;t be left stranded for the maintenance people to have to go retrieve.

(3) Snowstorms are &quot;rare&quot; but they do happen.  Have an emergency plan decision tree with more than just a trunk...  also, be prepared for the urban/rural flooding that will happen afterwards as it always does.  Mostly the same roads and locations flood and are impassable.  Announce the reroutes now...

(4) In each neighborhood, establish &quot;guaranteed&quot; or &quot;primary&quot; stops that will be served in all types of weather.  While buses end up rerouted all over the place, they generally tend to pass through a number of key points in the system that are still on-route.  If a stop is not signed as a &quot;primary&quot; stop, the closest one should be listed.  This way, passengers can self-lead themselves to a spot where bus service is possible, or Metro staff can at least post updates semi-regularly.

(5) Accountability.  The loudest sound during every storm is the hand-slapping-forehead sound from Metro management.  Late into this storm they &quot;learned&quot; that maybe the top-brass, who haven&#039;t taken a bus in 20 years and know little about the geography of various routes in the system, shouldn&#039;t be making the decisions - rather those decisions should be made by front-line supervisors, etc.  Drive accountability up the Metro management chain for their management failures, rather than blaming those on the ground for unavoidable/collateral operations failures.

The way to improve Metro service in any adverse scenario lies not at the extremes, but instead towards the middle.  Buying 50 more snowplows and other equipment is just not reasonable; neither is throwing up our hands every time the weather turns and saying &quot;well, this doesn&#039;t happen that often, so we&#039;re screwed&quot;.  It&#039;s time to push for a little more professionalism...</description>
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Metro seems to have the institutional short-term memory of a chicken &#8211; about 6 seconds.  Every storm we have, they &#8220;learn&#8221; the same lessons over and over again:</p>
<p>(1) Communication is key and needs to be improved.  I&#8217;ve heard that at least a half dozen times in the past 3-4 years.  What&#8217;s noticeably changed?</p>
<p>(2) Articulated buses don&#8217;t do well in ice and snow.  Same as (1).  The &#8220;learning&#8221; process would be to communicate to customers ahead of time that under a snow plan, artics will be pulled and service reduced but at least 40-footers will show up somewhat regularly, and people, drivers and equipment won&#8217;t be left stranded for the maintenance people to have to go retrieve.</p>
<p>(3) Snowstorms are &#8220;rare&#8221; but they do happen.  Have an emergency plan decision tree with more than just a trunk&#8230;  also, be prepared for the urban/rural flooding that will happen afterwards as it always does.  Mostly the same roads and locations flood and are impassable.  Announce the reroutes now&#8230;</p>
<p>(4) In each neighborhood, establish &#8220;guaranteed&#8221; or &#8220;primary&#8221; stops that will be served in all types of weather.  While buses end up rerouted all over the place, they generally tend to pass through a number of key points in the system that are still on-route.  If a stop is not signed as a &#8220;primary&#8221; stop, the closest one should be listed.  This way, passengers can self-lead themselves to a spot where bus service is possible, or Metro staff can at least post updates semi-regularly.</p>
<p>(5) Accountability.  The loudest sound during every storm is the hand-slapping-forehead sound from Metro management.  Late into this storm they &#8220;learned&#8221; that maybe the top-brass, who haven&#8217;t taken a bus in 20 years and know little about the geography of various routes in the system, shouldn&#8217;t be making the decisions &#8211; rather those decisions should be made by front-line supervisors, etc.  Drive accountability up the Metro management chain for their management failures, rather than blaming those on the ground for unavoidable/collateral operations failures.</p>
<p>The way to improve Metro service in any adverse scenario lies not at the extremes, but instead towards the middle.  Buying 50 more snowplows and other equipment is just not reasonable; neither is throwing up our hands every time the weather turns and saying &#8220;well, this doesn&#8217;t happen that often, so we&#8217;re screwed&#8221;.  It&#8217;s time to push for a little more professionalism&#8230;<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/12/23/snow/#comment-22462</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 19:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jessica, I just saw the route 230 on Busview at the corner of NE 8th street and 172nd, so it is going out that way.  But, since you are in a wheelchair, the only thing I would be concerned about is that the snow is not built-up so high on the sidewalk (from snow plows, etc.) that the bus lift can&#039;t be deployed.  If you can bring someone with you to make sure that the bus stop is lift accessible in terms of snow, you should do that.  Also, is the 166th street stop level?  If it&#039;s on an incline, the drive may not stop.  Make sure whatever bus stop you wait at is level.  Best of luck!</description>
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Jessica, I just saw the route 230 on Busview at the corner of NE 8th street and 172nd, so it is going out that way.  But, since you are in a wheelchair, the only thing I would be concerned about is that the snow is not built-up so high on the sidewalk (from snow plows, etc.) that the bus lift can&#8217;t be deployed.  If you can bring someone with you to make sure that the bus stop is lift accessible in terms of snow, you should do that.  Also, is the 166th street stop level?  If it&#8217;s on an incline, the drive may not stop.  Make sure whatever bus stop you wait at is level.  Best of luck!<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/12/23/snow/#comment-22451</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 18:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bellevue riders:  Could someone tell me how the 230 is fairing?  I need to head out for groceries.  I&#039;m near NE 8th St &amp; 166th Ave NE and will not venture out if I don&#039;t have a bus.  Here&#039;s the fun part: I&#039;m in a manual wheelchair</description>
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Bellevue riders:  Could someone tell me how the 230 is fairing?  I need to head out for groceries.  I&#8217;m near NE 8th St &amp; 166th Ave NE and will not venture out if I don&#8217;t have a bus.  Here&#8217;s the fun part: I&#8217;m in a manual wheelchair<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Multimodal Man</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/12/23/snow/#comment-22450</link>
		<dc:creator>Multimodal Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think the poor performance by Metro is budget-related; it&#039;s simply poor planning. Very poor planning.</description>
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I don&#8217;t think the poor performance by Metro is budget-related; it&#8217;s simply poor planning. Very poor planning.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Multimodal Man</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/12/23/snow/#comment-22449</link>
		<dc:creator>Multimodal Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Intel on the South Lake Union Streetcar: It was shut down the Seattle Streetcar because a device known as a &quot;spring Switch&quot; was not equipped with heaters, even though it was STRONGLY suggested by the startup manager during the planning stages, the City of Seattle did not want to spend the money. The spring switch broke because of impacted snow and ice.</description>
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Intel on the South Lake Union Streetcar: It was shut down the Seattle Streetcar because a device known as a &#8220;spring Switch&#8221; was not equipped with heaters, even though it was STRONGLY suggested by the startup manager during the planning stages, the City of Seattle did not want to spend the money. The spring switch broke because of impacted snow and ice.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Jenniferlayne</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/12/23/snow/#comment-22448</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenniferlayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah caution is essential - fri some guy laughed at me for baby steps on qa ave and then promptly fell half a block down from Highland !  will head over to Met Market and scope out upper QA - Thank you Matt !  Much Appreciated !</description>
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yeah caution is essential &#8211; fri some guy laughed at me for baby steps on qa ave and then promptly fell half a block down from Highland !  will head over to Met Market and scope out upper QA &#8211; Thank you Matt !  Much Appreciated !<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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