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		<title>By: McGinn Nominates New Head for SDOT - Seattle Transit Blog</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/01/05/snow-post-mortem/#comment-95125</link>
		<dc:creator>McGinn Nominates New Head for SDOT - Seattle Transit Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 23:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a hot potato during the Mayoral election for her department&#8217;s troubles in responding to the 2008 snowstorms and announced her decision to resign last week. She will stay on board for three weeks after Hahn [...]</description>
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[...] a hot potato during the Mayoral election for her department&#8217;s troubles in responding to the 2008 snowstorms and announced her decision to resign last week. She will stay on board for three weeks after Hahn [...]<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Reading digest for 01/05/09 to 01/12/09 &#171; Andy Oakley</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/01/05/snow-post-mortem/#comment-25041</link>
		<dc:creator>Reading digest for 01/05/09 to 01/12/09 &#171; Andy Oakley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Snow Post-Mortem (via Seattle Transit Blog) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: A Week of Strong Opinions - Seattle Transit Blog</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/01/05/snow-post-mortem/#comment-24683</link>
		<dc:creator>A Week of Strong Opinions - Seattle Transit Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 19:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Monday, Eric blogged a Snow Post-Mortem about the transit system&#8217;s failure during last month&#8217;s [...]</description>
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		<title>By: joshuadf</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/01/05/snow-post-mortem/#comment-24242</link>
		<dc:creator>joshuadf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 04:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or at least an alert on the timetable page on the website</description>
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		<title>By: Seattle City Council Puts Metro GM in Hot Seat - Seattle Transit Blog</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/01/05/snow-post-mortem/#comment-24179</link>
		<dc:creator>Seattle City Council Puts Metro GM in Hot Seat - Seattle Transit Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 22:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] posted a post-mortem of the Snowpocolypse yesterday. Along with my post earlier this morning about Metro&#8217;s reduced service last week, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Skiff</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/01/05/snow-post-mortem/#comment-24149</link>
		<dc:creator>Skiff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 19:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SDOT could learn something from Pierce County DOT as well.  I drove down there on Christmas Eve day.  While the roads in Seattle were near impassible (it took me 25 minutes to get down the EB hill from 105th to Aurora), Pierce County roads, even in remote areas, were clear and wet.</description>
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SDOT could learn something from Pierce County DOT as well.  I drove down there on Christmas Eve day.  While the roads in Seattle were near impassible (it took me 25 minutes to get down the EB hill from 105th to Aurora), Pierce County roads, even in remote areas, were clear and wet.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Opinion: Metro&#8217;s &#8220;Holiday&#8221; Service Was Opaque - Seattle Transit Blog</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/01/05/snow-post-mortem/#comment-24142</link>
		<dc:creator>Opinion: Metro&#8217;s &#8220;Holiday&#8221; Service Was Opaque - Seattle Transit Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 18:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] schedule that resulted in reduced service last week. With the same thinking as yesterday&#8217;s snow postmortem, I&#8217;d like to follow-up with a more forceful rebuke of Metro&#8217;s decision and how it was [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/01/05/snow-post-mortem/#comment-24084</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 07:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Metro: if you&#039;re going to go to a holiday schedule and cancel my bus route, how&#039;s about posting a rider alert at my stop?   Could that really be so difficult?</description>
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		<title>By: Chris Stefan</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/01/05/snow-post-mortem/#comment-24083</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 07:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SDOT:
Finer grained priorities for road clearing, with the limited plow equipment and a major event you aren&#039;t going to get to all of your priority 1 arterials first. At the very least make sure the major hospitals can be accessed and that there is at least one passable for police, ambulance, fire, and transit across all of the large hills. I can just imagine the chaos if there had been a major fire on top of say Queen Anne.
Make an honest comparison of how SDOT did vs. other agencies in the region. KCDOT seems to have done a better job of clearing arterials in unincorporated King County than SDOT did in Seattle. Similarly WADOT did a better job with the freeways than SDOT did with major streets like Aurora, West Seattle Freeway, and Lake City Way. Similarly the fact that Portland has nearly twice the plows for fewer lane-miles means perhaps Seattle should consider purchasing a few more. Include in your review any policy or strategy regarding applying sand, salt, or de-icer.
Remind all residents and businesses that they are responsible for clearing the sidewalks in front of their property. Do at least as good a job on this as you did about clearing drains.
Finally have contracts with private owners of graders, front end loaders, bulldozers, etc. that can be used for snow removal. Structure these as contingency contracts so you only have to call on them if the snowfall is more than the city can handle on its own.

Metro:
Better communication on all fronts, with the public, and with other agencies.
Review, revise, and update adverse weather routing information. Publish updated adverse weather routes on-line and in paper schedules during the next schedule revision. The revisions should reflect issues like probable street closures and re-routes around known trouble spots.
Have a published &quot;stage 2&quot; and &quot;stage 3&quot; plan if conditions are bad enough that the adverse weather routes aren&#039;t enough. IOW what will be running if say all the articulated coaches have to be pulled from service, or what areas can expect to have chained shuttles.

Streetcar:
Learn some lessons from Portland and Tacoma Link. Buy some torches or other equipment for unsticking frozen switches. Update your damn web site and send out a media release if you have to shut down (and when you get running again).

Sound Transit:
Everything that applies to metro applies to you. Also learn to keep your web site up, especially under load.
Good job keeping Tacoma Link running and Sounder mostly running.

WADOT:
Excellent job all around. Especially on the communications front.

Finally I&#039;d like to give everyone who was out there on the line trying to clear the streets, keep the lights on, or keep the buses/trains running an A+. You busted your asses and did the best you could with what you had.</description>
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SDOT:<br />
Finer grained priorities for road clearing, with the limited plow equipment and a major event you aren&#8217;t going to get to all of your priority 1 arterials first. At the very least make sure the major hospitals can be accessed and that there is at least one passable for police, ambulance, fire, and transit across all of the large hills. I can just imagine the chaos if there had been a major fire on top of say Queen Anne.<br />
Make an honest comparison of how SDOT did vs. other agencies in the region. KCDOT seems to have done a better job of clearing arterials in unincorporated King County than SDOT did in Seattle. Similarly WADOT did a better job with the freeways than SDOT did with major streets like Aurora, West Seattle Freeway, and Lake City Way. Similarly the fact that Portland has nearly twice the plows for fewer lane-miles means perhaps Seattle should consider purchasing a few more. Include in your review any policy or strategy regarding applying sand, salt, or de-icer.<br />
Remind all residents and businesses that they are responsible for clearing the sidewalks in front of their property. Do at least as good a job on this as you did about clearing drains.<br />
Finally have contracts with private owners of graders, front end loaders, bulldozers, etc. that can be used for snow removal. Structure these as contingency contracts so you only have to call on them if the snowfall is more than the city can handle on its own.</p>
<p>Metro:<br />
Better communication on all fronts, with the public, and with other agencies.<br />
Review, revise, and update adverse weather routing information. Publish updated adverse weather routes on-line and in paper schedules during the next schedule revision. The revisions should reflect issues like probable street closures and re-routes around known trouble spots.<br />
Have a published &#8220;stage 2&#8243; and &#8220;stage 3&#8243; plan if conditions are bad enough that the adverse weather routes aren&#8217;t enough. IOW what will be running if say all the articulated coaches have to be pulled from service, or what areas can expect to have chained shuttles.</p>
<p>Streetcar:<br />
Learn some lessons from Portland and Tacoma Link. Buy some torches or other equipment for unsticking frozen switches. Update your damn web site and send out a media release if you have to shut down (and when you get running again).</p>
<p>Sound Transit:<br />
Everything that applies to metro applies to you. Also learn to keep your web site up, especially under load.<br />
Good job keeping Tacoma Link running and Sounder mostly running.</p>
<p>WADOT:<br />
Excellent job all around. Especially on the communications front.</p>
<p>Finally I&#8217;d like to give everyone who was out there on the line trying to clear the streets, keep the lights on, or keep the buses/trains running an A+. You busted your asses and did the best you could with what you had.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: andrew cencini</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/01/05/snow-post-mortem/#comment-24059</link>
		<dc:creator>andrew cencini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 02:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i don&#039;t know metro&#039;s internal systems well but it seems like they need to re-think how rider info gets information.

perhaps adding some automation to the rider information system about bus routes might also solve the human-intensive / busy signal side of the problem.  key in your route number and the computer voice will give you the info from the web site.

it seems bogus and disappointing to simply say &quot;metro has no idea what&#039;s going on when things get a little out of whack&quot; - god help us in a real emergency.</description>
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i don&#8217;t know metro&#8217;s internal systems well but it seems like they need to re-think how rider info gets information.</p>
<p>perhaps adding some automation to the rider information system about bus routes might also solve the human-intensive / busy signal side of the problem.  key in your route number and the computer voice will give you the info from the web site.</p>
<p>it seems bogus and disappointing to simply say &#8220;metro has no idea what&#8217;s going on when things get a little out of whack&#8221; &#8211; god help us in a real emergency.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: andrew cencini</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/01/05/snow-post-mortem/#comment-24057</link>
		<dc:creator>andrew cencini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 02:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>man, i bet metro mgmt is sure going to miss the no-gps scapegoat once the new systems roll out in 2010.  i swear, any time anything goes wrong with metro they blame it on that.  we&#039;ve managed to vote on (several times), build and will have opened an entire light rail system in the time it has taken to get &quot;smart bus&quot; to come to fruition.

metro&#039;s execution on projects like this seems to match their service performance - slow, spotty and unpredictable.</description>
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man, i bet metro mgmt is sure going to miss the no-gps scapegoat once the new systems roll out in 2010.  i swear, any time anything goes wrong with metro they blame it on that.  we&#8217;ve managed to vote on (several times), build and will have opened an entire light rail system in the time it has taken to get &#8220;smart bus&#8221; to come to fruition.</p>
<p>metro&#8217;s execution on projects like this seems to match their service performance &#8211; slow, spotty and unpredictable.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: andrew cencini</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/01/05/snow-post-mortem/#comment-24056</link>
		<dc:creator>andrew cencini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 02:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i know they piloted these awhile ago, but why can&#039;t they just put them at a few stops?  you know, the busiest ones?  metro&#039;s communications / user friendliness / passenger amenities are actually amongst some of the worst i&#039;ve seen among bus systems in the nation (and there aren&#039;t many bus systems that are actually very good).  it just all seems so half-assed, that&#039;s all.</description>
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i know they piloted these awhile ago, but why can&#8217;t they just put them at a few stops?  you know, the busiest ones?  metro&#8217;s communications / user friendliness / passenger amenities are actually amongst some of the worst i&#8217;ve seen among bus systems in the nation (and there aren&#8217;t many bus systems that are actually very good).  it just all seems so half-assed, that&#8217;s all.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Brian Ferris</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/01/05/snow-post-mortem/#comment-24054</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Ferris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 02:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The stop number is listed for many stops right at the stop:

http://onebusaway.org/where/stopNumber.html

Also, I&#039;ve seen these popping up recently:

http://www.orphanroad.com/blog/2008/11/one-bus-away</description>
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The stop number is listed for many stops right at the stop:</p>
<p><a href="http://onebusaway.org/where/stopNumber.html" rel="nofollow">http://onebusaway.org/where/stopNumber.html</a></p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;ve seen these popping up recently:</p>
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		<title>By: NSBill</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/01/05/snow-post-mortem/#comment-24039</link>
		<dc:creator>NSBill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 00:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Understand about the number of stops.  But since we were spending mythical money on snow removable equipment I figured the purse strings were open. :)

Hmmm...that onebusaway looks even better than the MyBus texting app if you get every stop and not just a few.  But is this in anyway associated with Metro?  I&#039;m guessing it&#039;s not.  You also kind of have to be in the know in order for it to work.  It&#039;s not like this number is posted at the stops.

If we want to get really low-tech (which is fine by me), it seems like the easiest/cheapest thing to do would be to have the top of the paper Metro schedule at each bus stop say something like, &quot;Where is my bus? Call 206-555-5555, txt 55555, etc.&quot;  Since this is most likely not associated with Metro, therein lies the issue.  With the addition of GPS to the buses as mentioned in the article Oran linked to, I imagine it could get much easier to do such things.</description>
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Understand about the number of stops.  But since we were spending mythical money on snow removable equipment I figured the purse strings were open. :)</p>
<p>Hmmm&#8230;that onebusaway looks even better than the MyBus texting app if you get every stop and not just a few.  But is this in anyway associated with Metro?  I&#8217;m guessing it&#8217;s not.  You also kind of have to be in the know in order for it to work.  It&#8217;s not like this number is posted at the stops.</p>
<p>If we want to get really low-tech (which is fine by me), it seems like the easiest/cheapest thing to do would be to have the top of the paper Metro schedule at each bus stop say something like, &#8220;Where is my bus? Call 206-555-5555, txt 55555, etc.&#8221;  Since this is most likely not associated with Metro, therein lies the issue.  With the addition of GPS to the buses as mentioned in the article Oran linked to, I imagine it could get much easier to do such things.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Andreas</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/01/05/snow-post-mortem/#comment-24038</link>
		<dc:creator>Andreas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 00:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heartily agree with Matt&#039;s suggestion of salting select pedestrian sidewalks &amp; stairways. And, of course, the selected routes should be published (preferably in map form, not simply a list) and adhered to.

Also, rather than giving reroutes as a list of streets, full of abbreviations&#8212;e.g. &lt;i&gt;Northbound Reg Rt to WB NW 85th St/24th Av NW, L on SB 24 Av NW, R on WB NW 80th St, R on NB 32 Av NW, R on EB NW 85th St to regular route&lt;/i&gt;&#8212;why not click out a route on Google Maps, save it and link to it? It shouldn&#039;t take more than a minute per reroute once the mapper got used to the system, and it would be so much more user-friendly. As given above, reroutes are difficult to read, and when combined with street names that riders may not know (because they&#039;re not streets they regularly travel on) it can be difficult to figure out certain reroutes, even when Metro deigns to publish them.</description>
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I heartily agree with Matt&#8217;s suggestion of salting select pedestrian sidewalks &amp; stairways. And, of course, the selected routes should be published (preferably in map form, not simply a list) and adhered to.</p>
<p>Also, rather than giving reroutes as a list of streets, full of abbreviations&mdash;e.g. <i>Northbound Reg Rt to WB NW 85th St/24th Av NW, L on SB 24 Av NW, R on WB NW 80th St, R on NB 32 Av NW, R on EB NW 85th St to regular route</i>&mdash;why not click out a route on Google Maps, save it and link to it? It shouldn&#8217;t take more than a minute per reroute once the mapper got used to the system, and it would be so much more user-friendly. As given above, reroutes are difficult to read, and when combined with street names that riders may not know (because they&#8217;re not streets they regularly travel on) it can be difficult to figure out certain reroutes, even when Metro deigns to publish them.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/01/05/snow-post-mortem/#comment-24037</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 00:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with others who say that it isn&#039;t worth spending gobs of money on preparedness for something that happens once a decade or so. I do think Metro can work harder on communication, both with the drivers and witht he public. I can&#039;t imagine it&#039;d be that hard to set up a way for the co-ordinators in the comm center to simultaneously update the website while making internal notes about road conditions. Set up a program that allows co-ordinators&#039; information to get put on the site in real-time. I&#039;m not a computer/web expert but I can&#039;t imagine that it&#039;d be that hard to set up. This way we aren&#039;t relying on web people to make updates once every few hours. For drivers, I know there are only so many channels Metro has at its disposal to handle radio communication, but most drivers probably have cell phones. Bring in a few extra co-ordinators to man the phones so drivers unable to get through on the radio can call in. If you&#039;re stuck you aren&#039;t driving so the &quot;no phone while driving&quot; thing doesn&#039;t really apply. There are no-cost or low-cost solutions to at least some of the biggest of our problems if we actually take the time to come up with creative solutions.</description>
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I have to agree with others who say that it isn&#8217;t worth spending gobs of money on preparedness for something that happens once a decade or so. I do think Metro can work harder on communication, both with the drivers and witht he public. I can&#8217;t imagine it&#8217;d be that hard to set up a way for the co-ordinators in the comm center to simultaneously update the website while making internal notes about road conditions. Set up a program that allows co-ordinators&#8217; information to get put on the site in real-time. I&#8217;m not a computer/web expert but I can&#8217;t imagine that it&#8217;d be that hard to set up. This way we aren&#8217;t relying on web people to make updates once every few hours. For drivers, I know there are only so many channels Metro has at its disposal to handle radio communication, but most drivers probably have cell phones. Bring in a few extra co-ordinators to man the phones so drivers unable to get through on the radio can call in. If you&#8217;re stuck you aren&#8217;t driving so the &#8220;no phone while driving&#8221; thing doesn&#8217;t really apply. There are no-cost or low-cost solutions to at least some of the biggest of our problems if we actually take the time to come up with creative solutions.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/01/05/snow-post-mortem/#comment-24036</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 00:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian, thanks for fighting the good fight on this one.

Oran, I know it has been brought up before (by me numerous times) and I know they say it is coming, but I am going to keep bringing it up until it is DONE! They said (just like ORCA) that it&#039;d be done years ago, and they didn&#039;t do it. Now I don&#039;t know what is going on inside Metro, but I&#039;m worried it won&#039;t happen due to budget constraints. Don&#039;t get me wrong, I&#039;d rather see current service levels maintained than a drop in service to facilitate the new comm system, but I still hope that this can get done, and get done soon.

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Brian, thanks for fighting the good fight on this one.</p>
<p>Oran, I know it has been brought up before (by me numerous times) and I know they say it is coming, but I am going to keep bringing it up until it is DONE! They said (just like ORCA) that it&#8217;d be done years ago, and they didn&#8217;t do it. Now I don&#8217;t know what is going on inside Metro, but I&#8217;m worried it won&#8217;t happen due to budget constraints. Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I&#8217;d rather see current service levels maintained than a drop in service to facilitate the new comm system, but I still hope that this can get done, and get done soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Ferris</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/01/05/snow-post-mortem/#comment-24033</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Ferris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 00:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It could be done with buses... it&#039;s just that there are so many stops.  There are 9000+ in King County alone.  Even if you put signs at just a small portion of those stops, it would be pretty expensive.

You are also right that not everyone has internet access when they are standing at the stop.  That&#039;s why http://onebusaway.org/ has a phone number you can call to get real-time status for any and every stop.  We&#039;re working to integrate reroute information so that it can tell you &quot;Not in service, closest stop is X&quot; just like you suggested.  Of course, if you don&#039;t have a cell phone, then this won&#039;t help either.</description>
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It could be done with buses&#8230; it&#8217;s just that there are so many stops.  There are 9000+ in King County alone.  Even if you put signs at just a small portion of those stops, it would be pretty expensive.</p>
<p>You are also right that not everyone has internet access when they are standing at the stop.  That&#8217;s why <a href="http://onebusaway.org/" rel="nofollow">http://onebusaway.org/</a> has a phone number you can call to get real-time status for any and every stop.  We&#8217;re working to integrate reroute information so that it can tell you &#8220;Not in service, closest stop is X&#8221; just like you suggested.  Of course, if you don&#8217;t have a cell phone, then this won&#8217;t help either.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: NSBill</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/01/05/snow-post-mortem/#comment-24031</link>
		<dc:creator>NSBill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 00:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Communication is very crucial, but when you don&#039;t have any bus service (like, say, to QA hill) for a week or so, no amount of communication will fix that or make you feel better.  Just imagine what would happen if they stated, &quot;Sorry, due to road conditions there will be no bus service to the top of the hill today or for the next week.&quot;

And in response to Brian above, I agree, that the BusView is kind of just a cool gee-whiz thing.  The myBus.org txt messaging is cool too and a bit more useful since you can be out and about and still get the info you need.  But my problem with these online tools (and the txt tools to a lesser extent) is that it requires you to be _online_.  You leave out people without this access at their fingertips or at all.  

The best thing in the world would be to have actual signs at stops telling you when the next bus is coming.  Like the SLUT does and as I would assume LR would do.  Sure, doing this with rail is most likely an order of magnitude easier/cheaper.  But does anyone know if it has been done anywhere with buses?  You could then also perhaps &quot;push&quot; messages to certain stops during these times and say, &quot;Not in service, closest stop is X&quot;.  You get the message right where it needs to be, at the bus stop.  Two birds with one stone.  This is not only gee-whiz, but actually useful!</description>
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Communication is very crucial, but when you don&#8217;t have any bus service (like, say, to QA hill) for a week or so, no amount of communication will fix that or make you feel better.  Just imagine what would happen if they stated, &#8220;Sorry, due to road conditions there will be no bus service to the top of the hill today or for the next week.&#8221;</p>
<p>And in response to Brian above, I agree, that the BusView is kind of just a cool gee-whiz thing.  The myBus.org txt messaging is cool too and a bit more useful since you can be out and about and still get the info you need.  But my problem with these online tools (and the txt tools to a lesser extent) is that it requires you to be _online_.  You leave out people without this access at their fingertips or at all.  </p>
<p>The best thing in the world would be to have actual signs at stops telling you when the next bus is coming.  Like the SLUT does and as I would assume LR would do.  Sure, doing this with rail is most likely an order of magnitude easier/cheaper.  But does anyone know if it has been done anywhere with buses?  You could then also perhaps &#8220;push&#8221; messages to certain stops during these times and say, &#8220;Not in service, closest stop is X&#8221;.  You get the message right where it needs to be, at the bus stop.  Two birds with one stone.  This is not only gee-whiz, but actually useful!<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: George Lee</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/01/05/snow-post-mortem/#comment-24024</link>
		<dc:creator>George Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 22:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With regards to Tacoma Link light rail operation I&#039;d like to add a word about the effort and dedication of the staff:  

Tacoma Link operators, system technician, and supervisors worked 24 hours a day for five plus days to keep the system going. Tacoma Link was prepared by monitoring the weather, pre-testing equipment, and buying necessary supplies. They ran trains all night to keep the overhead contact system warm and tracks open and staff worked shoveling snow, throwing switches, making repairs, mopping up water, spreading deicer, etc. Just so there would be &quot;no impact&quot; for the customer.

 

“No impact” was dozens of hours of overtime (that resulted in four people getting sick) but Tacoma Link stayed within 10 minutes of schedule. They also had no accidents or injuries during the snow and no reportable accidents all year…</description>
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With regards to Tacoma Link light rail operation I&#8217;d like to add a word about the effort and dedication of the staff:  </p>
<p>Tacoma Link operators, system technician, and supervisors worked 24 hours a day for five plus days to keep the system going. Tacoma Link was prepared by monitoring the weather, pre-testing equipment, and buying necessary supplies. They ran trains all night to keep the overhead contact system warm and tracks open and staff worked shoveling snow, throwing switches, making repairs, mopping up water, spreading deicer, etc. Just so there would be &#8220;no impact&#8221; for the customer.</p>
<p>“No impact” was dozens of hours of overtime (that resulted in four people getting sick) but Tacoma Link stayed within 10 minutes of schedule. They also had no accidents or injuries during the snow and no reportable accidents all year…<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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