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	<title>Comments on: Why We Don&#8217;t Need a Parking Maximum</title>
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		<title>By: John Charles Wilson</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/01/08/why-we-dont-need-a-parking-maximum/#comment-24573</link>
		<dc:creator>John Charles Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 00:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a similar law in most cities about moving your car every so often. While I understand the intent, there should be an exception if you are parked in front of your own house. I am running for mayor of Minneapolis, MN and that is one of the reforms I&#039;m proposing: no requirement to move your car as long as it&#039;s parked directly in front of the property of the address it&#039;s registered to. I realise there are minor unfairnesses, such as people who live on no-parking streets, etc. but I think it&#039;s still a good idea. I know you&#039;re 2,000 miles away from me, but I&#039;m curious of your opinions....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a similar law in most cities about moving your car every so often. While I understand the intent, there should be an exception if you are parked in front of your own house. I am running for mayor of Minneapolis, MN and that is one of the reforms I&#8217;m proposing: no requirement to move your car as long as it&#8217;s parked directly in front of the property of the address it&#8217;s registered to. I realise there are minor unfairnesses, such as people who live on no-parking streets, etc. but I think it&#8217;s still a good idea. I know you&#8217;re 2,000 miles away from me, but I&#8217;m curious of your opinions&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/01/08/why-we-dont-need-a-parking-maximum/#comment-24567</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 22:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like that idea for the neighborhood parking areas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like that idea for the neighborhood parking areas.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Stefan</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/01/08/why-we-dont-need-a-parking-maximum/#comment-24565</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 21:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The plan for the parking garage in Admiral was much needed and would have especially helped the theater. There simply isn&#039;t enough parking in the area and transit service currently is somewhat less than optimal. Unfortunately as you point out the idea was killed by a combination of neighborhood NIMBYs who couldn&#039;t see a garage would lower traffic volumes and free on-street parking on nearby residential streets and the anti-car zealots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The plan for the parking garage in Admiral was much needed and would have especially helped the theater. There simply isn&#8217;t enough parking in the area and transit service currently is somewhat less than optimal. Unfortunately as you point out the idea was killed by a combination of neighborhood NIMBYs who couldn&#8217;t see a garage would lower traffic volumes and free on-street parking on nearby residential streets and the anti-car zealots.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Stefan</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/01/08/why-we-dont-need-a-parking-maximum/#comment-24564</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 21:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben,

Good ideas all. Like Douglas I&#039;m not sure there is a good way parking can be completely unbundled via regulation. However like a parking tax I believe there can be incentives to unbundle parking. Things like lowering the parking tax if the parking is unbundled or reducing the minimums in areas that still have them.

As a further idea I&#039;d like to see regulations that encourage centralizing parking somewhat within neighborhoods. This means the sort of pre-war small and mid-scale less than full block developments common in the past become somewhat more practical again as the development itself doesn&#039;t have to have on-site parking but can share parking among multiple neighborhood developments. This assumes of course the market would accept such solutions as would neighborhood groups worried about the potential impacts of a development on traffic and on-street parking. Again this becomes important mostly in areas that still have parking minimums.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben,</p>
<p>Good ideas all. Like Douglas I&#8217;m not sure there is a good way parking can be completely unbundled via regulation. However like a parking tax I believe there can be incentives to unbundle parking. Things like lowering the parking tax if the parking is unbundled or reducing the minimums in areas that still have them.</p>
<p>As a further idea I&#8217;d like to see regulations that encourage centralizing parking somewhat within neighborhoods. This means the sort of pre-war small and mid-scale less than full block developments common in the past become somewhat more practical again as the development itself doesn&#8217;t have to have on-site parking but can share parking among multiple neighborhood developments. This assumes of course the market would accept such solutions as would neighborhood groups worried about the potential impacts of a development on traffic and on-street parking. Again this becomes important mostly in areas that still have parking minimums.</p>
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		<title>By: W. K. Lis</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/01/08/why-we-dont-need-a-parking-maximum/#comment-24558</link>
		<dc:creator>W. K. Lis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 20:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Toronto downtown condos are sold without parking. Though parking spaces could be purchased at the time of sale, it would cost about $25,000 to $35,000 a space extra.

Because of transit in Toronto, one really doesn&#039;t need a car. However, if one does need a car, instead of renting a car, people can share a car. There are a couple of automobile sharing companies where you can have use of car, mini-van, or hybrid for a time.

Some developers are now selling condos partnered with car-sharing companies. That way, if one needs a car for some purpose, they use a car that is shared with the other condo owners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toronto downtown condos are sold without parking. Though parking spaces could be purchased at the time of sale, it would cost about $25,000 to $35,000 a space extra.</p>
<p>Because of transit in Toronto, one really doesn&#8217;t need a car. However, if one does need a car, instead of renting a car, people can share a car. There are a couple of automobile sharing companies where you can have use of car, mini-van, or hybrid for a time.</p>
<p>Some developers are now selling condos partnered with car-sharing companies. That way, if one needs a car for some purpose, they use a car that is shared with the other condo owners.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/01/08/why-we-dont-need-a-parking-maximum/#comment-24539</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 18:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What you are saying is, of course, heresy in Seattle, but I agree with your concept nonetheless. The urban village concept CAN be enhanced by doubling it as a park-and-ride. The key to making it work though is that the park-and-rides can&#039;t be free. They must be LESS than the cost of parking downtown (which means taking steps to make sure parking downtown is restricted), but the park-and-ride spaces need to cost something. That alone will prevent residents from parking there, just like parking meters prevent residents from utilizing street parking in our commercial districts.

The difference is that the park-and-rides are charged by the day rather than by the hour. I think a good place to start would be about $5 per day for a park-and-ride, which would generate enough revenue to actually pay for the structure, meaning that no subsidy would be necessary.

This approach creates a &quot;middle way&quot; between the most convenient, most expensive approach, (driving and parking downtown), and the least convenient, least expensive approach (walking to a bus stop, waiting for the bus, riding a bus to the light rail station, then transferring to the light rail). By park-and-riding (and paying a reduced rate) a person can have medium convenience at medium cost. More options means your system serves more people and enhances the urban village concept.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you are saying is, of course, heresy in Seattle, but I agree with your concept nonetheless. The urban village concept CAN be enhanced by doubling it as a park-and-ride. The key to making it work though is that the park-and-rides can&#8217;t be free. They must be LESS than the cost of parking downtown (which means taking steps to make sure parking downtown is restricted), but the park-and-ride spaces need to cost something. That alone will prevent residents from parking there, just like parking meters prevent residents from utilizing street parking in our commercial districts.</p>
<p>The difference is that the park-and-rides are charged by the day rather than by the hour. I think a good place to start would be about $5 per day for a park-and-ride, which would generate enough revenue to actually pay for the structure, meaning that no subsidy would be necessary.</p>
<p>This approach creates a &#8220;middle way&#8221; between the most convenient, most expensive approach, (driving and parking downtown), and the least convenient, least expensive approach (walking to a bus stop, waiting for the bus, riding a bus to the light rail station, then transferring to the light rail). By park-and-riding (and paying a reduced rate) a person can have medium convenience at medium cost. More options means your system serves more people and enhances the urban village concept.</p>
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		<title>By: Squints</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/01/08/why-we-dont-need-a-parking-maximum/#comment-24523</link>
		<dc:creator>Squints</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 17:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good points geekgirl. I&#039;d add that having a safe place to let your car sit can also act as safe storage for outdoor gear like kayaks and skis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good points geekgirl. I&#8217;d add that having a safe place to let your car sit can also act as safe storage for outdoor gear like kayaks and skis.</p>
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		<title>By: Sungsu</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/01/08/why-we-dont-need-a-parking-maximum/#comment-24509</link>
		<dc:creator>Sungsu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 15:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Vancouver, BC, which has also recently reduced its parking minimums, developers can further reduce the number of parking spaces if they dedicate some spaces for car sharing vehicles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Vancouver, BC, which has also recently reduced its parking minimums, developers can further reduce the number of parking spaces if they dedicate some spaces for car sharing vehicles.</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas Tooley</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/01/08/why-we-dont-need-a-parking-maximum/#comment-24498</link>
		<dc:creator>Douglas Tooley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 11:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a bit of a market paradox about parking requirements in transit center housing.  Transit centers are, by definition, an urban village version of a park and ride.  Personally, I think providing free commuter parking is a way to encourage expanded transportation useage AND support community based businesses.  This has been done in the public sector, Overlake in Bellevue is one project.  There was an attempt to include publically financed parking in a Senior Housing project in Admiral which had the support of Richard Conlin, but failed after Barnett style attacks led by Aaron Ostrom.

The problem is this, if you offer a park and ride inside an urban village that parking could be usurped by local residents.  The problem here is like a reverse RPZ.  Unbundling I like the idea mentioned by Barnett of &#039;unbundling&#039; parking purchases, but figuring out the way to develop this through regulation that also allows for commuter use would be very tough.  My hat off, in advance, to anyone that could figure it out without being a control freak.

Barnett occassionally has something to say, but she thinks she knows more than she does.  I&#039;d chalk it up as irresponsible journalism - thanks for the &#039;parking ticket&#039; in this Seattle Transit Piece.  Aaron Ostrom&#039;s attack on the balanced neighborhood approach to developing viable, distributed, urban villages in the end only supported the building of additional parking downtown and created bad blood between certain segments of the environmental community and folks who care about working with their neighbors, including those who actually work for a living.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a bit of a market paradox about parking requirements in transit center housing.  Transit centers are, by definition, an urban village version of a park and ride.  Personally, I think providing free commuter parking is a way to encourage expanded transportation useage AND support community based businesses.  This has been done in the public sector, Overlake in Bellevue is one project.  There was an attempt to include publically financed parking in a Senior Housing project in Admiral which had the support of Richard Conlin, but failed after Barnett style attacks led by Aaron Ostrom.</p>
<p>The problem is this, if you offer a park and ride inside an urban village that parking could be usurped by local residents.  The problem here is like a reverse RPZ.  Unbundling I like the idea mentioned by Barnett of &#8216;unbundling&#8217; parking purchases, but figuring out the way to develop this through regulation that also allows for commuter use would be very tough.  My hat off, in advance, to anyone that could figure it out without being a control freak.</p>
<p>Barnett occassionally has something to say, but she thinks she knows more than she does.  I&#8217;d chalk it up as irresponsible journalism &#8211; thanks for the &#8216;parking ticket&#8217; in this Seattle Transit Piece.  Aaron Ostrom&#8217;s attack on the balanced neighborhood approach to developing viable, distributed, urban villages in the end only supported the building of additional parking downtown and created bad blood between certain segments of the environmental community and folks who care about working with their neighbors, including those who actually work for a living.</p>
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		<title>By: geekgirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>geekgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 09:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lots of people need cars in Seattle.  Parking might encourage people who don&#039;t need cars to get one, or families who have two cars to get rid of one, but hassel-free parking in garages makes it really easy to leave your car in the parking space for weeks and take transit to work or to run errands.  These types of people may not want a car for every day, but they want one to drive up to the pass to go skiing visit family that live in rual areas that don&#039;t get served by transit or go somewhere on a Sunday without waiting around forever for the bus.  

When I lived in a building with an underground garage, I sometimes went a month without using the car.  When I moved to a building that didn&#039;t have parking, I drove more often.  I had to move it from one block to another every 72 hours anyways, so it was tempting to make a quick trip to the grocery store or the library which I could have done by walking or taking a bus. 

For a lot of people, the first step to letting go of the car is finding a safe place to let it sit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of people need cars in Seattle.  Parking might encourage people who don&#8217;t need cars to get one, or families who have two cars to get rid of one, but hassel-free parking in garages makes it really easy to leave your car in the parking space for weeks and take transit to work or to run errands.  These types of people may not want a car for every day, but they want one to drive up to the pass to go skiing visit family that live in rual areas that don&#8217;t get served by transit or go somewhere on a Sunday without waiting around forever for the bus.  </p>
<p>When I lived in a building with an underground garage, I sometimes went a month without using the car.  When I moved to a building that didn&#8217;t have parking, I drove more often.  I had to move it from one block to another every 72 hours anyways, so it was tempting to make a quick trip to the grocery store or the library which I could have done by walking or taking a bus. </p>
<p>For a lot of people, the first step to letting go of the car is finding a safe place to let it sit.</p>
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		<title>By: The Internaut &#187; Why We Don’t Need a Parking Maximum</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Internaut &#187; Why We Don’t Need a Parking Maximum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 06:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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