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		<title>By: STB Meet-up Recap - Seattle Transit Blog</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/01/23/transit-oriented-development-bill/#comment-73028</link>
		<dc:creator>STB Meet-up Recap - Seattle Transit Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 23:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] McGinn knows his stuff.&#8221; Finally, Sara Nikolic from Futurewise spoke about their work on the TOD bill during the last legislative session &#8212; which failed to pass &#8212; and how to get a bill [...]</description>
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		<title>By: TOD Bill Concerns - Seattle Transit Blog</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/01/23/transit-oriented-development-bill/#comment-29596</link>
		<dc:creator>TOD Bill Concerns - Seattle Transit Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 23:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and is now working its way through the State House.  The bill, which we&#8217;ve discussed here, here, here, here and here, among other things, requires zoning that would allow densities of 50 units [...]</description>
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		<title>By: HB 1490 Testimony - Seattle Transit Blog</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/01/23/transit-oriented-development-bill/#comment-27526</link>
		<dc:creator>HB 1490 Testimony - Seattle Transit Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 04:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 1490 Testimony by Martin H. Duke  If you&#8217;re an insomniac and interested in the HB 1490 committee testimony Josh Feit reports about here, TVW is showing it on tape delay at 11:30 pm - [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Andrew Smith</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/01/23/transit-oriented-development-bill/#comment-27472</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 17:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Feds spend 20% of their gas tax on transit and intercity rail. The state spends 100% on roads.</description>
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		<title>By: jcdk</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/01/23/transit-oriented-development-bill/#comment-27459</link>
		<dc:creator>jcdk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 15:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I concur. Streetcars and Light Rail are definitely the best way to better city streets.</description>
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		<title>By: Bernie</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/01/23/transit-oriented-development-bill/#comment-27433</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 04:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ST is divided up into different taxing zones. I fail to see why it&#039;s &lt;i&gt;everyone&#039;s&lt;/i&gt; business how taxes paid by folks on the eastside or Seattle are spent on projects in their own district. If it affects connectivity with the rest of the system yes; but Vashon Island and Spokane? Should Seattle get to decide Vashon has to rezone for high density around the ferry terminals? There&#039;s a much stronger argument for that since Seattleites foot a large percentage of the bill for those ferries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->ST is divided up into different taxing zones. I fail to see why it&#8217;s <i>everyone&#8217;s</i> business how taxes paid by folks on the eastside or Seattle are spent on projects in their own district. If it affects connectivity with the rest of the system yes; but Vashon Island and Spokane? Should Seattle get to decide Vashon has to rezone for high density around the ferry terminals? There&#8217;s a much stronger argument for that since Seattleites foot a large percentage of the bill for those ferries.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Matt the Engineer</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/01/23/transit-oriented-development-bill/#comment-27422</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt the Engineer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 02:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Such highway purposes shall be construed to include... The construction, reconstruction, maintenance, repair, and betterment of public highways, county roads, bridges and city streets.&quot;

I think it&#039;s clear streetcars, and arguably all public transit including Link, &quot;better&quot; streets.  They get the ugly, polluting, dangerous cars off of them!</description>
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<p>I think it&#8217;s clear streetcars, and arguably all public transit including Link, &#8220;better&#8221; streets.  They get the ugly, polluting, dangerous cars off of them!<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Deb Eddy</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/01/23/transit-oriented-development-bill/#comment-27409</link>
		<dc:creator>Deb Eddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 00:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check out source of state funds (largely gas tax) and 18th Amendment to the Constitution.  /d</description>
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		<title>By: Andrew Smith</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/01/23/transit-oriented-development-bill/#comment-27398</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 22:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Seattle Streetcar was paid for by state funds. Even though sound transit hasn&#039;t received state money in a (very) long time, the state still does put a little money into transit.

Nothing like they put into roads, however.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->The Seattle Streetcar was paid for by state funds. Even though sound transit hasn&#8217;t received state money in a (very) long time, the state still does put a little money into transit.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/01/23/transit-oriented-development-bill/#comment-27396</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 22:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the state isn&#039;t funding Sound Transit to any great extent.&quot;

Uh, you mean like ZERO?

Eddy, Clibborn and their ilk don&#039;t think about boosting regional transit with state funds.  Quite the contrary: these pseudo-Dems are always looking for new ways to re-direct locally approved transit dollars into their floundering state roads accounts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->&#8220;the state isn&#8217;t funding Sound Transit to any great extent.&#8221;</p>
<p>Uh, you mean like ZERO?</p>
<p>Eddy, Clibborn and their ilk don&#8217;t think about boosting regional transit with state funds.  Quite the contrary: these pseudo-Dems are always looking for new ways to re-direct locally approved transit dollars into their floundering state roads accounts.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Smith</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/01/23/transit-oriented-development-bill/#comment-27389</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 21:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the state certainly has the power, but why not the business?

The state is forced to pay for most of the effects of sprawl, and does chip in help if not a lot of money for many aspects of our transit infrastructure (sound transit was created by the state legistlature for example).

So if it&#039;s everyone&#039;s financial business that we get the best value for our infrastructure, why is it not our legistlative business?</description>
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<p>The state is forced to pay for most of the effects of sprawl, and does chip in help if not a lot of money for many aspects of our transit infrastructure (sound transit was created by the state legistlature for example).</p>
<p>So if it&#8217;s everyone&#8217;s financial business that we get the best value for our infrastructure, why is it not our legistlative business?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Bernie</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/01/23/transit-oriented-development-bill/#comment-27378</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 19:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deb: I hope you&#039;ll keep us informed on the details but on the face of it I don&#039;t believe the State has any business mandating zoning around transit stations. Planning a transit route has so many variables besides residential density (employment, land values, geography, geology, etc.) that any Bill that tries isolate one factor seems like a bad idea.

I&#039;m also deeply suspicious of this bill sponsored by legislators from outside the area it will effect. The &quot;feel good&quot; idea is that forcing high residential density is &quot;green&quot; because it means people can walk to transit. My fear is that it will be used to delay or torpedo projects which otherwise make sense. In short, unless this bill addresses a serious shortcoming in the GMA or some other aspect of the already contentious planning process then more red tape is not the answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Deb: I hope you&#8217;ll keep us informed on the details but on the face of it I don&#8217;t believe the State has any business mandating zoning around transit stations. Planning a transit route has so many variables besides residential density (employment, land values, geography, geology, etc.) that any Bill that tries isolate one factor seems like a bad idea.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also deeply suspicious of this bill sponsored by legislators from outside the area it will effect. The &#8220;feel good&#8221; idea is that forcing high residential density is &#8220;green&#8221; because it means people can walk to transit. My fear is that it will be used to delay or torpedo projects which otherwise make sense. In short, unless this bill addresses a serious shortcoming in the GMA or some other aspect of the already contentious planning process then more red tape is not the answer.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Deb Eddy</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/01/23/transit-oriented-development-bill/#comment-27362</link>
		<dc:creator>Deb Eddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bernie: Small clarification. The GMA set broad goals and left it to local counties and cities to figure out HOW to meet those goals, largely thorugh comprehensive planning.  Such planning is by its very nature aspirational, somewhat subjective, and results assessed after a decade or more of &quot;action.&quot;  

As stated earlier, editorialists such as Erica Barnett at the Stranger have questioned whether the GMA has delivered on its promise.  It&#039;s a mixed bag; we&#039;ve done better in constraining sprawl than we would have done WITHOUT the GMA.  But we could do much better.  And to try to improve on the outcome is not &quot;micromanagement&quot;, IMHO.  Rather, we should be trying to set a better, clearer and more results-driven state policy, thus improving on results and, hopefully, shortening the time to realization. 

Whether this bill is the right answer (or one of a set of answers) is another question. The devil IS in the details. I&#039;m sure that will get worked out in committee, in discussion with the prime sponsor.

Deb Eddy</description>
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<p>As stated earlier, editorialists such as Erica Barnett at the Stranger have questioned whether the GMA has delivered on its promise.  It&#8217;s a mixed bag; we&#8217;ve done better in constraining sprawl than we would have done WITHOUT the GMA.  But we could do much better.  And to try to improve on the outcome is not &#8220;micromanagement&#8221;, IMHO.  Rather, we should be trying to set a better, clearer and more results-driven state policy, thus improving on results and, hopefully, shortening the time to realization. </p>
<p>Whether this bill is the right answer (or one of a set of answers) is another question. The devil IS in the details. I&#8217;m sure that will get worked out in committee, in discussion with the prime sponsor.</p>
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		<title>By: Bernie</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/01/23/transit-oriented-development-bill/#comment-27316</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 06:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Representative Eddy,

&gt; But it meets my requirement that state legislation actually DO something,

Why? The State isn&#039;t funding Sound Transit to any great extent. I think the municipalities in the 48th are far more capable of determining zoning issues than micro management at the State level. I agree the GMA is complex (it&#039;s a complex issue) but passing legislation because you feel a need to do &lt;i&gt;something&lt;/i&gt; doesn&#039;t seem like good governance at all.</description>
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<p>&gt; But it meets my requirement that state legislation actually DO something,</p>
<p>Why? The State isn&#8217;t funding Sound Transit to any great extent. I think the municipalities in the 48th are far more capable of determining zoning issues than micro management at the State level. I agree the GMA is complex (it&#8217;s a complex issue) but passing legislation because you feel a need to do <i>something</i> doesn&#8217;t seem like good governance at all.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: News Round Up - Seattle Transit Blog</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/01/23/transit-oriented-development-bill/#comment-27315</link>
		<dc:creator>News Round Up - Seattle Transit Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 05:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Publicolahas more details on the Futurewise and TCC v Seattle Displacement Coalition fight over the Transit Oriented Development Bill going through [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ben Schiendelman</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/01/23/transit-oriented-development-bill/#comment-27197</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Schiendelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 07:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember that a road isn&#039;t part of a transit oriented development area. Just the development is. :)

That means that the &#039;allowed net density&#039;, the maximum, must be (at least) fifty dwelling units per acre.

I think the at least is implied. If there&#039;s actually ambiguity there, they&#039;ll deal with it in committee, but I doubt there is.

What do you mean by model?</description>
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<p>That means that the &#8216;allowed net density&#8217;, the maximum, must be (at least) fifty dwelling units per acre.</p>
<p>I think the at least is implied. If there&#8217;s actually ambiguity there, they&#8217;ll deal with it in committee, but I doubt there is.</p>
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		<title>By: Zach</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/01/23/transit-oriented-development-bill/#comment-27079</link>
		<dc:creator>Zach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 09:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not too far off-topic...


Obama&#039;s People Turn To EU Bank For Inspiration



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/obamas-team-turn-to-eu-bank-for-inspiration-1514983.html</description>
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<p>Obama&#8217;s People Turn To EU Bank For Inspiration</p>
<p><a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/obamas-team-turn-to-eu-bank-for-inspiration-1514983.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/obamas-team-turn-to-eu-bank-for-inspiration-1514983.html</a><!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Smith</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/01/23/transit-oriented-development-bill/#comment-27024</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 21:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve tried to read the GMA before, and I agree that it is very wonky and not clear.</description>
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		<title>By: Andrew Smith</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/01/23/transit-oriented-development-bill/#comment-27023</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 21:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with that. The tax cuts are silly, I would even argue that it&#039;s not a lot of highway dollars either. The debate gets lost in roads vs transit, but the frank fact of the matter is that there isn&#039;t a lot of either.</description>
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		<title>By: Deb Eddy</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/01/23/transit-oriented-development-bill/#comment-27017</link>
		<dc:creator>Deb Eddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 19:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will do.  Feel free to come in and chat.  HB1752 passed, I think, in 2007.  It was a technical fix to a poorly-written process concerning siting an industrial zone on the edge of a UGA in southwest Washington.  Wonky in the extreme, very site-specific.   Everyone, including Futurewise, agreed to the fix.</description>
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