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		<title>By: Bonafide</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/02/13/tod-bill-concerns/#comment-29884</link>
		<dc:creator>Bonafide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 00:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What if cars become clean. Now is sprawl bad?</description>
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		<title>By: John Jensen</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/02/13/tod-bill-concerns/#comment-29852</link>
		<dc:creator>John Jensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the response, Representative. Good luck in Oly!</description>
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		<title>By: Deb Eddy</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/02/13/tod-bill-concerns/#comment-29838</link>
		<dc:creator>Deb Eddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 13:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(1) I didn&#039;t say anything about ST across SR520.  I assure you, people in my district will  be pleased with usable bus lanes on that bridge.  Right now we have no transit functionality in the corridor during peak hours.  ST&#039;s sudden announcement last year of  no interest in HCT in the corridor came as a surprise to many who spent years in TransLake meetings.  (2)  The voters approved $18 B for ST expansion.  They expect the ST board to use it intelligently.  As do I.  

I&#039;m not looking for any ST dollars for roads.  Ever.  

Headed back to Olympia now, I will be off the blogs for a few days as we rush up to cut-off, try to get important bills moving on.  Always appreciate your input, POV, even if we sometimes have different opinons.  Don&#039;t disagree about the transit functionality on I-90 ... ditto to that.  Just differ in opinion on cost/benefit of mode.

See Atlantic Monthly for great article of America, post-crash.

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(1) I didn&#8217;t say anything about ST across SR520.  I assure you, people in my district will  be pleased with usable bus lanes on that bridge.  Right now we have no transit functionality in the corridor during peak hours.  ST&#8217;s sudden announcement last year of  no interest in HCT in the corridor came as a surprise to many who spent years in TransLake meetings.  (2)  The voters approved $18 B for ST expansion.  They expect the ST board to use it intelligently.  As do I.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not looking for any ST dollars for roads.  Ever.  </p>
<p>Headed back to Olympia now, I will be off the blogs for a few days as we rush up to cut-off, try to get important bills moving on.  Always appreciate your input, POV, even if we sometimes have different opinons.  Don&#8217;t disagree about the transit functionality on I-90 &#8230; ditto to that.  Just differ in opinion on cost/benefit of mode.</p>
<p>See Atlantic Monthly for great article of America, post-crash.</p>
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		<title>By: John Jensen</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/02/13/tod-bill-concerns/#comment-29824</link>
		<dc:creator>John Jensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rep. Eddy, with all due respect the &quot;special interest&quot; looking to build the light rail connection on schedule are the voters who overwhelmingly supported the Sound Transit 2 plan this past November. Voters are looking forward to the light rail lines opening on schedule -- not being delayed for bureaucratic reasons. Delaying the funding for the HOV conversion on I-90 will not change that vote. A light rail line beginning service in 2021 is hardly a hurried plan, and while the final alignment is yet not chosen it will be in the coming months. Asking the state to keep its original commitments to the region is not an unfair request.

I imagine part of the reason why Sound Transit isn&#039;t anxious to fund HOV/transit lanes on SR-520 is because SR-520 is obviously a state highway. (Of course Sound Transit&#039;s mandate is to build regional rail and bus service, not state highway lanes.) This mandate was backed by voters in your district overwhelmingly just a few months ago. This vote did not include HOV/transit lanes across SR-520. A delay in the I-90 HOV lane funding is not a blessing or a renewed chance for assessment -- it is the child of a budget crisis, nothing more. It is the wrong victim to create, however, given the reality that the voter-approved East Link requires its construction to proceed.

Sound Transit 2 passed with 57% of the region voting yes. We have among the smartest voters in the country, and they certainly did their research and concluded that the alignment across I-90 and into Downtown Bellevue was the correct one for the region. 

Aside from the overwhelming victory of ST2, it is nearly universally agreed that Two-Way HOV on I-90 is smart for the region -- &lt;i&gt;with or without light rail&lt;/i&gt;. The concept of the &quot;peak direction&quot; on I-90 is disappearing rapidly, and buses and carpools are getting ensnared in traffic without recourse. The need for increased reliability of bus service does not need re-evaluation and isn&#039;t influenced by property owners.

Another analysis may conclude that Olympia is once again trying to force the Puget Sound region to pay for state road work -- or trying to force ST&#039;s hand to pay for state road work so ST can follow through on its commitments. But the state made commitments of its own to the region. There&#039;s no reason to delay the improvements to bus service along the I-90 corridor. There&#039;s no convincing reason to use I-90 construction to overturn the will of the region&#039;s voters.

A light rail alignment across SR-520 does not work right now. We cannot fit those trains and trains from Northgate into the UW-Capitol Hill tunnel. Ridership between Seattle and Bellevue will be much higher than a route between Seattle and Redmond. I-90 is the right alignment.</description>
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Rep. Eddy, with all due respect the &#8220;special interest&#8221; looking to build the light rail connection on schedule are the voters who overwhelmingly supported the Sound Transit 2 plan this past November. Voters are looking forward to the light rail lines opening on schedule &#8212; not being delayed for bureaucratic reasons. Delaying the funding for the HOV conversion on I-90 will not change that vote. A light rail line beginning service in 2021 is hardly a hurried plan, and while the final alignment is yet not chosen it will be in the coming months. Asking the state to keep its original commitments to the region is not an unfair request.</p>
<p>I imagine part of the reason why Sound Transit isn&#8217;t anxious to fund HOV/transit lanes on SR-520 is because SR-520 is obviously a state highway. (Of course Sound Transit&#8217;s mandate is to build regional rail and bus service, not state highway lanes.) This mandate was backed by voters in your district overwhelmingly just a few months ago. This vote did not include HOV/transit lanes across SR-520. A delay in the I-90 HOV lane funding is not a blessing or a renewed chance for assessment &#8212; it is the child of a budget crisis, nothing more. It is the wrong victim to create, however, given the reality that the voter-approved East Link requires its construction to proceed.</p>
<p>Sound Transit 2 passed with 57% of the region voting yes. We have among the smartest voters in the country, and they certainly did their research and concluded that the alignment across I-90 and into Downtown Bellevue was the correct one for the region. </p>
<p>Aside from the overwhelming victory of ST2, it is nearly universally agreed that Two-Way HOV on I-90 is smart for the region &#8212; <i>with or without light rail</i>. The concept of the &#8220;peak direction&#8221; on I-90 is disappearing rapidly, and buses and carpools are getting ensnared in traffic without recourse. The need for increased reliability of bus service does not need re-evaluation and isn&#8217;t influenced by property owners.</p>
<p>Another analysis may conclude that Olympia is once again trying to force the Puget Sound region to pay for state road work &#8212; or trying to force ST&#8217;s hand to pay for state road work so ST can follow through on its commitments. But the state made commitments of its own to the region. There&#8217;s no reason to delay the improvements to bus service along the I-90 corridor. There&#8217;s no convincing reason to use I-90 construction to overturn the will of the region&#8217;s voters.</p>
<p>A light rail alignment across SR-520 does not work right now. We cannot fit those trains and trains from Northgate into the UW-Capitol Hill tunnel. Ridership between Seattle and Bellevue will be much higher than a route between Seattle and Redmond. I-90 is the right alignment.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Bernie</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/02/13/tod-bill-concerns/#comment-29822</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 07:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rep Eddy,

Thanks for clarification on the I-405 widening vs ST funding. ST funding on SR520 is a big open question; especially (for me) the connection to rail at the UW. 

One reason for building the ID-Bvue link &quot;immediately&quot; is that under the earliest possibly completion date the floating bridge that supports it will then be 37 years old. The SR520 is approaching it&#039;s Golden Jubilee and in direr need of replacement. Any significant delay now on I-90 rail pushes completion so close to the retirement of the bridge that the project become nonviable.

It seems prudent that options for East Ling over a new SR 520, due to come on line in the same time frame as the I-90 proposal, would only be prudent. Starting construction East to West would allow deferment of the final alignment while allowing construction to begin as soon a the EIS was complete.</description>
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<p>Thanks for clarification on the I-405 widening vs ST funding. ST funding on SR520 is a big open question; especially (for me) the connection to rail at the UW. </p>
<p>One reason for building the ID-Bvue link &#8220;immediately&#8221; is that under the earliest possibly completion date the floating bridge that supports it will then be 37 years old. The SR520 is approaching it&#8217;s Golden Jubilee and in direr need of replacement. Any significant delay now on I-90 rail pushes completion so close to the retirement of the bridge that the project become nonviable.</p>
<p>It seems prudent that options for East Ling over a new SR 520, due to come on line in the same time frame as the I-90 proposal, would only be prudent. Starting construction East to West would allow deferment of the final alignment while allowing construction to begin as soon a the EIS was complete.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Deb Eddy</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/02/13/tod-bill-concerns/#comment-29817</link>
		<dc:creator>Deb Eddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 04:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No ST funds could ever be used for simply widening I-405, no matter how they might pile up.  ST funds could be used for the transit lanes on SR520 and for some portion of the connection to the light rail station at the UW, for sure.  But ST&#039;s not shown much interest, despite the demand for high capacity transit in this corridor, between Seattle and Redmond. 

I simply disagree with you about the imperative to build ID-Bvue immediately and to demand that state funding be re-prioritized to get it built sooner rather than later.  Pardon me if I&#039;m a bit suspicious of the hurry.  Could it be that some of the interests served by this very expensive link (mostly downtown property owners in both cities, IMHO) are afraid of a re-appraisal?  You are convinced in the argument that this segment justifies the priority given to it already.  I am not.  I&#039;d note that there are a number of blanks to be filled in, not the least of which is agreement on the routing through Bellevue.</description>
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No ST funds could ever be used for simply widening I-405, no matter how they might pile up.  ST funds could be used for the transit lanes on SR520 and for some portion of the connection to the light rail station at the UW, for sure.  But ST&#8217;s not shown much interest, despite the demand for high capacity transit in this corridor, between Seattle and Redmond. </p>
<p>I simply disagree with you about the imperative to build ID-Bvue immediately and to demand that state funding be re-prioritized to get it built sooner rather than later.  Pardon me if I&#8217;m a bit suspicious of the hurry.  Could it be that some of the interests served by this very expensive link (mostly downtown property owners in both cities, IMHO) are afraid of a re-appraisal?  You are convinced in the argument that this segment justifies the priority given to it already.  I am not.  I&#8217;d note that there are a number of blanks to be filled in, not the least of which is agreement on the routing through Bellevue.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Bernie</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/02/13/tod-bill-concerns/#comment-29815</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 03:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with mandated zoning is it only takes one developer empowered with the mandate to build an eyesore that&#039;s totally out of character with the neighborhood. It doesn&#039;t have to be economically feasible. There&#039;s plenty of examples of speculative development that have failed.

As the bill gets tweaked it should be apparent that this it not the way to deal with zoning. The GMA is how that&#039;s done and if it needs to be amended to include transit then fine. The demand will drive the changes. A different bill adding to the layers of complexity already in place may be well meaning but it&#039;s misplaced.</description>
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The problem with mandated zoning is it only takes one developer empowered with the mandate to build an eyesore that&#8217;s totally out of character with the neighborhood. It doesn&#8217;t have to be economically feasible. There&#8217;s plenty of examples of speculative development that have failed.</p>
<p>As the bill gets tweaked it should be apparent that this it not the way to deal with zoning. The GMA is how that&#8217;s done and if it needs to be amended to include transit then fine. The demand will drive the changes. A different bill adding to the layers of complexity already in place may be well meaning but it&#8217;s misplaced.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: ericn</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/02/13/tod-bill-concerns/#comment-29800</link>
		<dc:creator>ericn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 22:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I certainly agree that rail works better than buses to stimulate development; the question is whether or not Bellevue/ST will be able to find support and funding for one rail line when another will end up on the same street in less than a decade. One thing in common between the examples you cited is that none of them parallel a high-capacity transit line; the SLUT and Portland Streetcar just intersect with Link and MAX at one point along their routes. Also, given that it would take a few years to build a streetcar, it would only have a useful life of about five years before the street gets torn up again to add East Link.</description>
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I certainly agree that rail works better than buses to stimulate development; the question is whether or not Bellevue/ST will be able to find support and funding for one rail line when another will end up on the same street in less than a decade. One thing in common between the examples you cited is that none of them parallel a high-capacity transit line; the SLUT and Portland Streetcar just intersect with Link and MAX at one point along their routes. Also, given that it would take a few years to build a streetcar, it would only have a useful life of about five years before the street gets torn up again to add East Link.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Martin H. Duke</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/02/13/tod-bill-concerns/#comment-29799</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin H. Duke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 22:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian,

I think it&#039;s a bit of a stretch to call this a &quot;cookie cutter&quot; approach.  Leaving aside the fact that many stations no longer have the 50 units/acre requirement, the bill has always provided a lot of flexibility on how that&#039;s achieved.  For instance, it could treat the entire 1/2 mile radius as a single unit, building projects well over 50 units/acre right around the station and leaving the rest zoned as single-family, or what have you.  Alternatively, the community could go for a uniform 2-3 story apartment development pattern throughout the station area.

To be honest, I have a little trouble appreciating your point of view because I&#039;m not sure exactly what you&#039;re afraid will change in the character of your community.  Will some apartment buildings and walkability improvements somehow make your neighborhood less desirable?  If it remains a single-family neighborhood, unit housing costs are likely to skyrocket in turn it into a very exclusive community.  Isn&#039;t that equally a change to the character of your community?</description>
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Brian,</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s a bit of a stretch to call this a &#8220;cookie cutter&#8221; approach.  Leaving aside the fact that many stations no longer have the 50 units/acre requirement, the bill has always provided a lot of flexibility on how that&#8217;s achieved.  For instance, it could treat the entire 1/2 mile radius as a single unit, building projects well over 50 units/acre right around the station and leaving the rest zoned as single-family, or what have you.  Alternatively, the community could go for a uniform 2-3 story apartment development pattern throughout the station area.</p>
<p>To be honest, I have a little trouble appreciating your point of view because I&#8217;m not sure exactly what you&#8217;re afraid will change in the character of your community.  Will some apartment buildings and walkability improvements somehow make your neighborhood less desirable?  If it remains a single-family neighborhood, unit housing costs are likely to skyrocket in turn it into a very exclusive community.  Isn&#8217;t that equally a change to the character of your community?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: ericn</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/02/13/tod-bill-concerns/#comment-29798</link>
		<dc:creator>ericn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 21:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing is, South Bellevue P&amp;R is at least 20 minutes away from anything I would consider to be new, &#039;forest-encroaching&#039; sprawl. By this I&#039;m referring to all the new development on the outskirts of Issaquah and Sammamish. Anyone from these areas is already served by Issaquah TC, Issaquah Highlands P&amp;R, and South Sammamish P&amp;R (which have &gt;2000 parking spaces between them), and if they&#039;re going to Seattle will just take the 216, 554, or 556 instead of Link. If you&#039;re worried about sprawl it&#039;s these P&amp;Rs you should worry about, not ones that are in the middle of already-developed areas.</description>
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The thing is, South Bellevue P&amp;R is at least 20 minutes away from anything I would consider to be new, &#8216;forest-encroaching&#8217; sprawl. By this I&#8217;m referring to all the new development on the outskirts of Issaquah and Sammamish. Anyone from these areas is already served by Issaquah TC, Issaquah Highlands P&amp;R, and South Sammamish P&amp;R (which have &gt;2000 parking spaces between them), and if they&#8217;re going to Seattle will just take the 216, 554, or 556 instead of Link. If you&#8217;re worried about sprawl it&#8217;s these P&amp;Rs you should worry about, not ones that are in the middle of already-developed areas.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Chris Stefan</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/02/13/tod-bill-concerns/#comment-29796</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 21:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another example of where the zoning is nowhere near the current use would be the U-District. Fair sized hunks are NC-85 or MR and some goes even higher than that. Still you find parking lots, single story strip commercial, and single family homes in those areas.

As you point out it is unlikely we will see anywhere near the level of development in the next 20 years that we&#039;ve seen in the past 15. Even if the population in the area is expected to keep rising.</description>
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Another example of where the zoning is nowhere near the current use would be the U-District. Fair sized hunks are NC-85 or MR and some goes even higher than that. Still you find parking lots, single story strip commercial, and single family homes in those areas.</p>
<p>As you point out it is unlikely we will see anywhere near the level of development in the next 20 years that we&#8217;ve seen in the past 15. Even if the population in the area is expected to keep rising.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Chris Stefan</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/02/13/tod-bill-concerns/#comment-29795</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 21:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BRT and bus routes in general don&#039;t encourage development. Streetcars and light rail do.

Developers are more likely to invest in development in the Mid-Lakes, Bel-Red, and Overlake as well as make the development pedestrian and transit oriented if the transit is rail rather than bus. See South Lake Union, the Pearl District in Portland, or Downtown Tacoma for examples of where streetcars have helped with redevelopment.

Given the likely increase in property values along the corridor I suspect a LID might be able to generate enough revenue to pay for a streetcar.</description>
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BRT and bus routes in general don&#8217;t encourage development. Streetcars and light rail do.</p>
<p>Developers are more likely to invest in development in the Mid-Lakes, Bel-Red, and Overlake as well as make the development pedestrian and transit oriented if the transit is rail rather than bus. See South Lake Union, the Pearl District in Portland, or Downtown Tacoma for examples of where streetcars have helped with redevelopment.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/02/13/tod-bill-concerns/#comment-29794</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 21:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think your concerns are misplaced a bit, a whole lot of the city is zoned higher than the buildings built there are. Most of SE Seattle or the Central for example, are zoned NC-40 or NC-65. But nothing has been built there, because it just doesn&#039;t pan out. Over time buildings get built, but you have to realized that the last 15 years was the height of the largest building boom in the history of the planet. Don&#039;t expect that to be recreated.

Over time more buildings are going to get built, with or without HB1490, but the bill wouldn&#039;t do much in the short term.</description>
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I think your concerns are misplaced a bit, a whole lot of the city is zoned higher than the buildings built there are. Most of SE Seattle or the Central for example, are zoned NC-40 or NC-65. But nothing has been built there, because it just doesn&#8217;t pan out. Over time buildings get built, but you have to realized that the last 15 years was the height of the largest building boom in the history of the planet. Don&#8217;t expect that to be recreated.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt the Engineer</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/02/13/tod-bill-concerns/#comment-29790</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt the Engineer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 20:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But you&#039;re missing the sprawl argument.  What we&#039;ve effectively done is make it easier and cheaper for someone to live in North Bend and commute to downtown.  You&#039;re saving the emissions from a few miles of car travel at the expense of a sprawled, forest encroaching, high square footage, high consumption, high heating and cooling energy lifestyle.

The argument against this has always been that P&amp;R&#039;s are a short term fix until we can build up density around the stations.  This is the last station that should be exempted.</description>
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But you&#8217;re missing the sprawl argument.  What we&#8217;ve effectively done is make it easier and cheaper for someone to live in North Bend and commute to downtown.  You&#8217;re saving the emissions from a few miles of car travel at the expense of a sprawled, forest encroaching, high square footage, high consumption, high heating and cooling energy lifestyle.</p>
<p>The argument against this has always been that P&amp;R&#8217;s are a short term fix until we can build up density around the stations.  This is the last station that should be exempted.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Chris Stefan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 19:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rep Eddy,
I agree redeveloping Mid-Lakes, Bel-Red, and Overlake into dense, walkable, and transit oriented neighborhoods will be a wonderful thing. I believe Link light rail is an essential part of that redevelopment.

However I think the case for justifying the construction becomes almost impossible without the connection to Central Link. Certainly any Federal funding is only likely with the ridership a Seattle connection would bring.

Given the current timetable for completing the I-90 two-way HOV project it will result in delaying East Link construction for a number of years. It is a project that will provide immediate benefit to reverse commuters and improve transit reliability for all routes using I-90 as soon as it is finished.

If East Link is delayed enough the cost will only be higher and the likelihood of it ever being built go down. As other Sound Transit projects near completion the pressure to spend East sub-area funds on something, anything for East King County will build. Furthermore as the excess funds build up the temptation will be great to attempt to raid them for other projects like I-405 widening or the SR-520 bridge replacement.

As a State Representative I urge you to:
1. Ask the Governor and the Washington Secretary of Transportation to request Federal funds for completing the I-90 two-way HOV project.
2. Ask the Governor and the Washington Secretary of Transportation to re-prioritize any state funding needed for the project so it won&#039;t delay the construction of East Link.</description>
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Rep Eddy,<br />
I agree redeveloping Mid-Lakes, Bel-Red, and Overlake into dense, walkable, and transit oriented neighborhoods will be a wonderful thing. I believe Link light rail is an essential part of that redevelopment.</p>
<p>However I think the case for justifying the construction becomes almost impossible without the connection to Central Link. Certainly any Federal funding is only likely with the ridership a Seattle connection would bring.</p>
<p>Given the current timetable for completing the I-90 two-way HOV project it will result in delaying East Link construction for a number of years. It is a project that will provide immediate benefit to reverse commuters and improve transit reliability for all routes using I-90 as soon as it is finished.</p>
<p>If East Link is delayed enough the cost will only be higher and the likelihood of it ever being built go down. As other Sound Transit projects near completion the pressure to spend East sub-area funds on something, anything for East King County will build. Furthermore as the excess funds build up the temptation will be great to attempt to raid them for other projects like I-405 widening or the SR-520 bridge replacement.</p>
<p>As a State Representative I urge you to:<br />
1. Ask the Governor and the Washington Secretary of Transportation to request Federal funds for completing the I-90 two-way HOV project.<br />
2. Ask the Governor and the Washington Secretary of Transportation to re-prioritize any state funding needed for the project so it won&#8217;t delay the construction of East Link.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: ericn</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 19:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure how feasible a streetcar would be, since the RapidRide B line is already going to serve both of the Overlake stations. I heard that Bellevue is starting a new downtown circulator bus within a couple years, so perhaps that could be extended to service the station development on NE 16th.</description>
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I&#8217;m not sure how feasible a streetcar would be, since the RapidRide B line is already going to serve both of the Overlake stations. I heard that Bellevue is starting a new downtown circulator bus within a couple years, so perhaps that could be extended to service the station development on NE 16th.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/02/13/tod-bill-concerns/#comment-29787</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 19:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Jensen - just to be clear, I&#039;m not saying that having greater densities near transit stations is a bad thing. I believe that greater densities will happen over time as the relationship between the costs and benefits associated with TOD are proven true.

My area of concern is having those densities/zoning allowances mandated at the state level all at once in a cookie cutter approach. I question whether the way to achieve the goals of better transit development can be achieved by a bill such as HB1490. It seems too forced. I&#039;d rather see more local process(es) achieve those densities because I think we&#039;ll end up with results which better fit the individual communities around the TOD&#039;s.

Thanks for responding to my previous comment.</description>
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John Jensen &#8211; just to be clear, I&#8217;m not saying that having greater densities near transit stations is a bad thing. I believe that greater densities will happen over time as the relationship between the costs and benefits associated with TOD are proven true.</p>
<p>My area of concern is having those densities/zoning allowances mandated at the state level all at once in a cookie cutter approach. I question whether the way to achieve the goals of better transit development can be achieved by a bill such as HB1490. It seems too forced. I&#8217;d rather see more local process(es) achieve those densities because I think we&#8217;ll end up with results which better fit the individual communities around the TOD&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Stefan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 18:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think East Link pencils out without going all the way to Seattle. If anything a Bellevue to Redmond line would likely be a target for transit critics.

I agree East Link has great potential for transforming downtown Bellevue, Bel-Red, Overlake, and downtown Redmond. But that potential is much greater if it connects to the rest of the system.

If there is concern about East Link happening soon enough for the planned development in Bel-Red and Overlake then perhaps a locally funded streetcar could be built? I&#039;m envisioning something similar to what both Portland and Seattle have done. Once East Link opens it could serve as a local connector between stations.</description>
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I don&#8217;t think East Link pencils out without going all the way to Seattle. If anything a Bellevue to Redmond line would likely be a target for transit critics.</p>
<p>I agree East Link has great potential for transforming downtown Bellevue, Bel-Red, Overlake, and downtown Redmond. But that potential is much greater if it connects to the rest of the system.</p>
<p>If there is concern about East Link happening soon enough for the planned development in Bel-Red and Overlake then perhaps a locally funded streetcar could be built? I&#8217;m envisioning something similar to what both Portland and Seattle have done. Once East Link opens it could serve as a local connector between stations.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: John Jensen</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Jensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 18:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian, I don&#039;t agree with your conclusions and do believe that building bigger near transit stations is better than not. However, thanks for your excellent and instructive comments.</description>
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Brian, I don&#8217;t agree with your conclusions and do believe that building bigger near transit stations is better than not. However, thanks for your excellent and instructive comments.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 17:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew - thanks for your response. You clarified my questions to say that the zoning would be mandated, not net density. I get that. 

My experience has been that because my community is a desirable place to live, people/developers have built to the limits of what is allowed by the zoning codes (some of the time beyond) under the guise of highest/best use. Short plats, in-fills, and tear-downs have been the order of the day over the last fifteen years. So, it&#039;s not a far stretch to think ((allowable zoning density) == (mandated density)).

In our area, there are no vacant lots to build townhouses on. There are no drive-up banks to build 4 story buildings on. Okay, there is a fastfood joint they could get rid of. For the most part, property has been developed to the limits of what is currently allowed. I see HB1490 as a way to take control of zoning practices out of local hands and putting it into state hands. That seems like it is unilaterally changing the rules of the game.

I do agree with you that even if the zoning changes are mandated, it would take a while to have them instantiated. 

You ask: Is it fair to tell others they can’t move into a neighborhood, even though the entire city/region paid for the transit station there? 

As a resident of the eastside of Seattle I would not want to be put in a position of determining what are the best zoning practices for Rainier Valley, neighborhoods in Tacoma, or communities in Spokane because it doesn&#039;t seem fair to me. 

I have faith in communities to consider their land use patterns in ways which are best for them and the region. If there are valid concerns that communities won&#039;t accomodate the benefits of having transit stations nearby by allowing higher densities, I have faith that legislation could be crafted to address local concerns in less of a cookie cutter (arbitrary?) type of approach than is seemingly in HB1490. 

Thanks.</description>
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Andrew &#8211; thanks for your response. You clarified my questions to say that the zoning would be mandated, not net density. I get that. </p>
<p>My experience has been that because my community is a desirable place to live, people/developers have built to the limits of what is allowed by the zoning codes (some of the time beyond) under the guise of highest/best use. Short plats, in-fills, and tear-downs have been the order of the day over the last fifteen years. So, it&#8217;s not a far stretch to think ((allowable zoning density) == (mandated density)).</p>
<p>In our area, there are no vacant lots to build townhouses on. There are no drive-up banks to build 4 story buildings on. Okay, there is a fastfood joint they could get rid of. For the most part, property has been developed to the limits of what is currently allowed. I see HB1490 as a way to take control of zoning practices out of local hands and putting it into state hands. That seems like it is unilaterally changing the rules of the game.</p>
<p>I do agree with you that even if the zoning changes are mandated, it would take a while to have them instantiated. </p>
<p>You ask: Is it fair to tell others they can’t move into a neighborhood, even though the entire city/region paid for the transit station there? </p>
<p>As a resident of the eastside of Seattle I would not want to be put in a position of determining what are the best zoning practices for Rainier Valley, neighborhoods in Tacoma, or communities in Spokane because it doesn&#8217;t seem fair to me. </p>
<p>I have faith in communities to consider their land use patterns in ways which are best for them and the region. If there are valid concerns that communities won&#8217;t accomodate the benefits of having transit stations nearby by allowing higher densities, I have faith that legislation could be crafted to address local concerns in less of a cookie cutter (arbitrary?) type of approach than is seemingly in HB1490. </p>
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