Streetcar Timing Update

February 20, 2009 at 12:08 pm
Wildcat Dunny (Flickr)

Wildcat Dunny (Flickr)

After my post complaining about signal timing across Mercer for the South Lake Union Streetcar, I received a reply from Ethan Melone, SDOT Rail Transit Manager.

As reported, SDOT is going to stop the signal acceleration for Mercer, but is going to look at other techniques to make up the time:

First, we will field test signal timing and operations when the Mercer Corridor Project is completed.  This will give us more accurate results than is possible through modeling alone.  With real data in hand, we will work to optimize signal timing to balance the needs of east-west traffic through the Mercer Corridor and north-south transit in the Westlake corridor.  Our signal operations staff will field test a variety of iterations of signal timing and priority and tune the operation of the intersection to a finer level of detail than may be captured in transportation models.  We may be able to achieve the desired balance by increasing priority for the streetcar crossings of Valley Street while reducing priority for crossings of Mercer, for example.  We will also explore the potential for new approaches and technologies–such as schedule-based, fixed pre-emption windows and advanced detection technologies–to further optimize the balance between transit priority and traffic throughput.

He also mentioned the possibility of moving from 15 to 10 minute headways (using 3 streetcars) once Amazon moves into SLU, but that requires some money from Metro, so one can’t help but be skeptical.

9 Responses to Streetcar Timing Update

EvergreenRailfan says:


If they go to 10 minute headways with three streetcars, won’t that take away a spare streetcar? Maybe it is time to get the W-class trams out of storage, and modify them for use on the South Lake Union line. The boarding problem would require a wheelchair lift and other mods, but I have seen photos of what can be done to handle that.

http://www.railwaypreservation.com/vintagetrolley/Memphis_2006_Madison_1_sm.JPG

http://theoverheadwire.blogspot.com/2008/11/savannah-streetcar-coming-back.html

Mike B says:


To do that you’d probably need new traction motors, pantographs, electrical systems, safety improvements to run with traffic, GPS tracking systems, provide level boarding (or a wheelchair lift as you said), more comfortable seats, accommodate a 2nd type of streetcar at the maintenance base…

Or we could not dick around and buy another Inekon 12 Trio…

EvergreenRailfan says:


That sounds better, and rather than keep the W2s shrinkwrapped in storage, maybe lend them to Memphis, with the conversions they need to operate them. Even though they are 80 years old, storage is not a good place for these antiques. They should be running. Sometimes I do think our safety regulations with streetcars do go to far. Where we got the W’s from, they still run in Mixed Traffic, sort of. It looks like from this photo they are, but it seems there are lane striping that puts them in separate lanes.(Plus, remember this is taken in Australia, they drive on a different side of the road.)

http://world.nycsubway.org/perl/show?76324

Still, you are right, might just be easier to order more Trios. I wonder if the longer models will work here, but that is just a question. I am not saying order any of them, yet. Some say we don’t fill the ones we got.

ericn says:


The longer models won’t work, at least on the current route. The way Westlake cuts diagonally north, some ‘blocks’ are barely long enough for the current streetcars. I bet they would work on the 1st ave or Broadway routes, though.

King Rat says:


You probably want to fix the link in your post.

Martin H. Duke says:


King Rat,

Thanks, it’s now fixed.

Bernie says:


A down economy is exactly when the city/region needs to find a way to restore the waterfront street cars. This can bring tourist dollars that are there for the taking from the cruise ships (and elsewhere) and deposit them in Seattle. Can the chamber of commerce or other means be pursued to advance this? To be fair funding shouldn’t come at the expense of eliminating someone’s ride to work but given most of the investment is already done not making it work for us seems silly.

EvergreenRailfan says:


Here is an example of for better or for worse, a streetcar operation making lemonade out of a lemon thrown at it. THe Old Pueblo Trolley in Tucson pwas facing a possible bleak future, as well as being cut off from Downtown because of an old overpass, that was finally reconstructed. They worked out a compromise with the latter.

http://www.railwaypreservation.com/vintagetrolley/tucson.htm

The Old Pueblo Trolley still is not out of the woods, nobody has determined the fate of their historic cars as the city is planning a modern streetcar to use part of the OPT alignment. I hope they run a few on weekends, they got an interesting collection. An ex-Tornoto TTC is one of their motley fleet, another is a streetcar from Japan. They got the latter for 100,000 yen, at the time, $900. The Shipping Costs were more than the vehicle!

Brad says:


I can’t believe that they would make streetcars wait at lights. That just blows my mind. The whole point of streetcars is that they should interfere with traffic and have precedence. Else, why ride the thing?