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		<title>By: Bernie</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/03/11/electric-freeway/#comment-34380</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s really not such an outlandish idea...</description>
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		<title>By: Chris Stefan</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/03/11/electric-freeway/#comment-34379</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn screwed up the link.

US DOE EIA: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/nuclear/page/at_a_glance/reactors/threemileisland.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Three Mile Island&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn screwed up the link.</p>
<p>US DOE EIA: <a href="http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/nuclear/page/at_a_glance/reactors/threemileisland.html" rel="nofollow">Three Mile Island</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bernie</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/03/11/electric-freeway/#comment-34378</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m really not advocating nuclear power. I think it should be looked at but right now the most expensive electrical generation in this country is from nukes (figuring in the cost of building the plant). There are huge safety concerns with nuclear as well as the cost issues.

My whole point is that electricity has to come from somewhere and for the foreseeable future increased demand is going to be largely dependent on fossil fuels. That means that electric cars don&#039;t get the free pass some people want to believe. Yes they have some advantages but on whole I think the concept is over hyped as far as being a solution to pollution. If the government is going to subsidize electricity for transportation money on overhead wires for transit is a much better investment. I&#039;d even go so far as to say government incentives for the railroads to (re)electrify some routes would make more sense than giving out tax breaks to Prius owners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really not advocating nuclear power. I think it should be looked at but right now the most expensive electrical generation in this country is from nukes (figuring in the cost of building the plant). There are huge safety concerns with nuclear as well as the cost issues.</p>
<p>My whole point is that electricity has to come from somewhere and for the foreseeable future increased demand is going to be largely dependent on fossil fuels. That means that electric cars don&#8217;t get the free pass some people want to believe. Yes they have some advantages but on whole I think the concept is over hyped as far as being a solution to pollution. If the government is going to subsidize electricity for transportation money on overhead wires for transit is a much better investment. I&#8217;d even go so far as to say government incentives for the railroads to (re)electrify some routes would make more sense than giving out tax breaks to Prius owners.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Stefan</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/03/11/electric-freeway/#comment-34377</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, unit 1 has a generating capacity of 786 MWe according to the &lt;a href=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;US DOE&lt;/a&gt;. (that is what I get for citing Wikipedia rather than a direct source)

I know the thermal capacity is larger, but most US nuclear plants still have a large electrical generation capacity. In the same range as large coal plants. 1000 MWe plus plants aren&#039;t uncommon.

While we will eventually run out of uranium for nuclear plants that day is still a ways off (the 100 year figure is extremely conservative).

In any case I&#039;d much rather see new nuclear plants built than new fossil fuel plants. This doesn&#039;t mean wind, solar, geothermal, and biomass shouldn&#039;t be built as well. It isn&#039;t an either/or it is about getting rid of the coal plants and eventually the natural gas plants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, unit 1 has a generating capacity of 786 MWe according to the <a href="" rel="nofollow">US DOE</a>. (that is what I get for citing Wikipedia rather than a direct source)</p>
<p>I know the thermal capacity is larger, but most US nuclear plants still have a large electrical generation capacity. In the same range as large coal plants. 1000 MWe plus plants aren&#8217;t uncommon.</p>
<p>While we will eventually run out of uranium for nuclear plants that day is still a ways off (the 100 year figure is extremely conservative).</p>
<p>In any case I&#8217;d much rather see new nuclear plants built than new fossil fuel plants. This doesn&#8217;t mean wind, solar, geothermal, and biomass shouldn&#8217;t be built as well. It isn&#8217;t an either/or it is about getting rid of the coal plants and eventually the natural gas plants.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/03/11/electric-freeway/#comment-34373</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Three Mile Island has 802MW for both units. Capacity is not the same as the amount of power they get out of these things. Anyway, we&#039;ll still run out of fuel on these</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Three Mile Island has 802MW for both units. Capacity is not the same as the amount of power they get out of these things. Anyway, we&#8217;ll still run out of fuel on these</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Stefan</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/03/11/electric-freeway/#comment-34372</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew, most newer nuclear plants are pretty large. Some of the older plants were around 200Mw but that isn&#039;t the majority.

True actual power production depends on the uptime of the plant and some do much better than others.

Three Mile Island unit 1 has a capacity of 802 MW. Trojan had a capacity of 1130 MW. Columbia (WNP-2) has a capacity of 1131 MW. Diablo Canyon 1 is 1122 MW, unit 2 is 1118 MW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew, most newer nuclear plants are pretty large. Some of the older plants were around 200Mw but that isn&#8217;t the majority.</p>
<p>True actual power production depends on the uptime of the plant and some do much better than others.</p>
<p>Three Mile Island unit 1 has a capacity of 802 MW. Trojan had a capacity of 1130 MW. Columbia (WNP-2) has a capacity of 1131 MW. Diablo Canyon 1 is 1122 MW, unit 2 is 1118 MW.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/03/11/electric-freeway/#comment-34367</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Baby steps. The fact she shows up at all is more than you can say for...any?...of her peers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baby steps. The fact she shows up at all is more than you can say for&#8230;any?&#8230;of her peers?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Stefan</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/03/11/electric-freeway/#comment-34363</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 18:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a thought for making pure-electric vehicles somewhat more practical.

Though it seems hybrids are what has mass market acceptance. The Toyota approach of adding a couple extra battery packs and an external charger likely will be what pans out for plug-in hybrids. The volt is likely to be like the EV1 and not terribly practical due to the high cost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a thought for making pure-electric vehicles somewhat more practical.</p>
<p>Though it seems hybrids are what has mass market acceptance. The Toyota approach of adding a couple extra battery packs and an external charger likely will be what pans out for plug-in hybrids. The volt is likely to be like the EV1 and not terribly practical due to the high cost.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/03/11/electric-freeway/#comment-34359</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 18:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you seriously talking about aircraft carriers?</description>
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		<title>By: Deb Eddy</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/03/11/electric-freeway/#comment-34358</link>
		<dc:creator>Deb Eddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 18:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Greg.  Well put. It&#039;s a PIECE of the answer.  TOD and transit, also.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Greg.  Well put. It&#8217;s a PIECE of the answer.  TOD and transit, also.</p>
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		<title>By: Bernie</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/03/11/electric-freeway/#comment-34354</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 18:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hanford is a weapons facility and contains several nuclear reactors and a &lt;i&gt;whole lot&lt;/i&gt; of empty space. A Nimtz class aircraft carrier has two 94MW reactors and it&#039;s flight deck is 333x77 meters. That makes the energy density a little more that 7,000 watts per square meter for something that wasn&#039;t even designed as a power plant. The solar constant is the energy reaching the outer edges of the earths atmosphere. In other words it&#039;s the maximum you start with. Most of that energy is absorbed or reflected so only about 40% reaches the surface. Being generous lets say that the average over a 24 hour period is half that amount. You&#039;re left with an average energy density of 280 watts per square meter. Claims like 10,000 times as much energy from the sun lands each day on a nuclear power plant than the plant produces are the type of bad science that gets well meaning people to line up at the pump for biodiesel.


http://www.eoearth.org/article/Solar_radiation</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hanford is a weapons facility and contains several nuclear reactors and a <i>whole lot</i> of empty space. A Nimtz class aircraft carrier has two 94MW reactors and it&#8217;s flight deck is 333&#215;77 meters. That makes the energy density a little more that 7,000 watts per square meter for something that wasn&#8217;t even designed as a power plant. The solar constant is the energy reaching the outer edges of the earths atmosphere. In other words it&#8217;s the maximum you start with. Most of that energy is absorbed or reflected so only about 40% reaches the surface. Being generous lets say that the average over a 24 hour period is half that amount. You&#8217;re left with an average energy density of 280 watts per square meter. Claims like 10,000 times as much energy from the sun lands each day on a nuclear power plant than the plant produces are the type of bad science that gets well meaning people to line up at the pump for biodiesel.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.eoearth.org/article/Solar_radiation" rel="nofollow">http://www.eoearth.org/article/Solar_radiation</a></p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Smith</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/03/11/electric-freeway/#comment-34350</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bernie, you did the math wrong. First, each reactor doesn&#039;t get 1000 MW. Three mile island has two reactors that get 400 MW each for example. And those are huge ones, most get 200 per reactor.

Second, australia is 3 million square miles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bernie, you did the math wrong. First, each reactor doesn&#8217;t get 1000 MW. Three mile island has two reactors that get 400 MW each for example. And those are huge ones, most get 200 per reactor.</p>
<p>Second, australia is 3 million square miles.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/03/11/electric-freeway/#comment-34349</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Three Mile island, was, well, three miles for example. At 40% of 1400 W, that&#039;s 1,450 MW. Even if you only get 12 hours a day on average (which you do), that still beats the 680MW the facility averages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Three Mile island, was, well, three miles for example. At 40% of 1400 W, that&#8217;s 1,450 MW. Even if you only get 12 hours a day on average (which you do), that still beats the 680MW the facility averages.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Stefan</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/03/11/electric-freeway/#comment-34330</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well there are things that draw 180kW but those tend to be huge industrial applications like arc furnaces.

One of those physics things again. Since batteries are energy storage the faster you try to fill them the larger the power draw.

The practical limit is probably whatever size power feed is the maximum you want an untrained individual handling the connection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well there are things that draw 180kW but those tend to be huge industrial applications like arc furnaces.</p>
<p>One of those physics things again. Since batteries are energy storage the faster you try to fill them the larger the power draw.</p>
<p>The practical limit is probably whatever size power feed is the maximum you want an untrained individual handling the connection.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Stefan</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/03/11/electric-freeway/#comment-34326</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Hanford is a bit of an extreme case as is Oak Ridge and Savannah River.

Still good point that a 1000 Mw nuclear reactor complex isn&#039;t exactly small though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Hanford is a bit of an extreme case as is Oak Ridge and Savannah River.</p>
<p>Still good point that a 1000 Mw nuclear reactor complex isn&#8217;t exactly small though.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/03/11/electric-freeway/#comment-34259</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 04:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to correct some erroneous comments on here about the classic &quot;extending the tailpipe&quot; argument against electric cars. Most total-energy well-to-wheel studies show us that even with the current mix of U.S. electricity generation, electric cars are significantly cleaner than gas cars. There are quite a few reasons:

1. Power plants generally have much higher efficiency than internal combustion engines of vehicles, even taking into account transmission losses. Petroleum extraction, refining, delivery, and finally combustion is a very energy-intensive and inefficient process of its own.

2. There&#039;s a good deal of surplus supply of electricity during off-peak hours which could charge a fairly significant number of plug-in vehicles. A study from the Pacific Northwest National Laboratory estimated that &quot;off-peak electricity production and transmission capacity could fuel 70% percent of the U.S. light-duty vehicle (LDV) fleet, if they were plug-in hybrid electrics.&quot;

3. Improvements in emissions can come about much more quickly with electric vehicles. It takes a long time for MPG regulations to have any appreciable impact on the U.S. vehicle fleet. On the other hand, improvements to the electric grid would have an immediate impact. As we move toward renewable energy the entire vehicle fleet effectively becomes cleaner without individual users having to change anything.

4. Here in Washington we&#039;re blessed with a mostly renewable energy portfolio already (if you count hydro as a renewable).

5. Even if all of that was not true, a point source of pollution outside of a population center might still be preferable to all the emissions from vehicles right within our cities.

That said, people need to get out of their cars and on public transit. That&#039;s not practical for everyone though, so electric cars are a nice complement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to correct some erroneous comments on here about the classic &#8220;extending the tailpipe&#8221; argument against electric cars. Most total-energy well-to-wheel studies show us that even with the current mix of U.S. electricity generation, electric cars are significantly cleaner than gas cars. There are quite a few reasons:</p>
<p>1. Power plants generally have much higher efficiency than internal combustion engines of vehicles, even taking into account transmission losses. Petroleum extraction, refining, delivery, and finally combustion is a very energy-intensive and inefficient process of its own.</p>
<p>2. There&#8217;s a good deal of surplus supply of electricity during off-peak hours which could charge a fairly significant number of plug-in vehicles. A study from the Pacific Northwest National Laboratory estimated that &#8220;off-peak electricity production and transmission capacity could fuel 70% percent of the U.S. light-duty vehicle (LDV) fleet, if they were plug-in hybrid electrics.&#8221;</p>
<p>3. Improvements in emissions can come about much more quickly with electric vehicles. It takes a long time for MPG regulations to have any appreciable impact on the U.S. vehicle fleet. On the other hand, improvements to the electric grid would have an immediate impact. As we move toward renewable energy the entire vehicle fleet effectively becomes cleaner without individual users having to change anything.</p>
<p>4. Here in Washington we&#8217;re blessed with a mostly renewable energy portfolio already (if you count hydro as a renewable).</p>
<p>5. Even if all of that was not true, a point source of pollution outside of a population center might still be preferable to all the emissions from vehicles right within our cities.</p>
<p>That said, people need to get out of their cars and on public transit. That&#8217;s not practical for everyone though, so electric cars are a nice complement.</p>
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		<title>By: Bernie</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/03/11/electric-freeway/#comment-34251</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 03:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The solar constant is the amount of energy that reaches the earth at the edge of our atmosphere. It&#039;s close partner (probably a better measure) is solar irradiance which is slightly less. You can get these numbers from NOAA. The suns output varies over time and the exact altitude it&#039;s measured at isn&#039;t standardized but 1400 watts per square meter is at the high end of the range. What actually makes it to the surface is about 40% of that.

http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/stp/SOLAR/IRRADIANCE/irrad.html
http://www.eoearth.org/article/Solar_radiation

Even at 100% efficiency if you covered the entire area of the Hanford reservation (mostly empty space and not on the equator where these maximums come from) you&#039;d get enough power to equal about four nuclear reactors (assuming full output 12 hours a day, it&#039;s actually much less). There&#039;s about a 1/2 dozen reactors at Hanford which is a weapons facility not a power plant. Take your physics teachers claim of 10,000 times the power and your covering an area almost the size of Australia to match a single 1000 megawatt nuclear power plant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The solar constant is the amount of energy that reaches the earth at the edge of our atmosphere. It&#8217;s close partner (probably a better measure) is solar irradiance which is slightly less. You can get these numbers from NOAA. The suns output varies over time and the exact altitude it&#8217;s measured at isn&#8217;t standardized but 1400 watts per square meter is at the high end of the range. What actually makes it to the surface is about 40% of that.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/stp/SOLAR/IRRADIANCE/irrad.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/stp/SOLAR/IRRADIANCE/irrad.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.eoearth.org/article/Solar_radiation" rel="nofollow">http://www.eoearth.org/article/Solar_radiation</a></p>
<p>Even at 100% efficiency if you covered the entire area of the Hanford reservation (mostly empty space and not on the equator where these maximums come from) you&#8217;d get enough power to equal about four nuclear reactors (assuming full output 12 hours a day, it&#8217;s actually much less). There&#8217;s about a 1/2 dozen reactors at Hanford which is a weapons facility not a power plant. Take your physics teachers claim of 10,000 times the power and your covering an area almost the size of Australia to match a single 1000 megawatt nuclear power plant.</p>
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		<title>By: Oran</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/03/11/electric-freeway/#comment-34250</link>
		<dc:creator>Oran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 02:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This recent discovery might actually make EVs more practical by quickening the charging process: &lt;a href=&quot;http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2009/03/lithium-breakthrough-could-charge-batteries-in-10-seconds.ars&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Lithium breakthrough could charge batteries in 10 seconds&lt;/a&gt;

The last paragraph does state one potential problem:

&quot;A battery that&#039;s sufficient to run an electric vehicle could be fully charged in five minutes—which would make electric vehicles incredibly practical—but doing so would pull 180kW, which is most certainly not practical.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This recent discovery might actually make EVs more practical by quickening the charging process: <a href="http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2009/03/lithium-breakthrough-could-charge-batteries-in-10-seconds.ars" rel="nofollow">Lithium breakthrough could charge batteries in 10 seconds</a></p>
<p>The last paragraph does state one potential problem:</p>
<p>&#8220;A battery that&#8217;s sufficient to run an electric vehicle could be fully charged in five minutes—which would make electric vehicles incredibly practical—but doing so would pull 180kW, which is most certainly not practical.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Bernie</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/03/11/electric-freeway/#comment-34247</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 02:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right that the big shortfall in revenue is that the tax doesn&#039;t keep pace with inflation. I guess they thought we&#039;d keep burning more of the stuff or the price would never go up. A sales or VAT tax would be much better. If they moved quick and did it during a downswing in the price of crude politicians could look like heroes by declaring a temporary nickel a gallon &quot;tax holiday&quot; during spikes while still taking in greater total revenue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right that the big shortfall in revenue is that the tax doesn&#8217;t keep pace with inflation. I guess they thought we&#8217;d keep burning more of the stuff or the price would never go up. A sales or VAT tax would be much better. If they moved quick and did it during a downswing in the price of crude politicians could look like heroes by declaring a temporary nickel a gallon &#8220;tax holiday&#8221; during spikes while still taking in greater total revenue.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Schiendelman</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/03/11/electric-freeway/#comment-34245</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Schiendelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 02:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, but the electric SMART isn&#039;t here. I don&#039;t really care about gas vehicles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, but the electric SMART isn&#8217;t here. I don&#8217;t really care about gas vehicles.</p>
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