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	<title>Comments on: Re-Thinking Metro&#8217;s Maps</title>
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		<title>By: Jon Morgan</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/03/26/re-thinking-metros-maps/#comment-37494</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 09:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A link to Paris&#039; AWESOME interactive transit map: http://www.ratp.info/orienter/cv/cv_en/carteparis.php</description>
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A link to Paris&#8217; AWESOME interactive transit map: <a href="http://www.ratp.info/orienter/cv/cv_en/carteparis.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.ratp.info/orienter/cv/cv_en/carteparis.php</a><!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Jon Morgan</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/03/26/re-thinking-metros-maps/#comment-37493</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 09:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The advertisement is absolutely awesome.  So is the implied single unified transit agency for the region.  ;)

Despite all the love for London-style maps though, I have to say I still really prefer DC&#039;s style and wish that were the standard.</description>
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The advertisement is absolutely awesome.  So is the implied single unified transit agency for the region.  ;)</p>
<p>Despite all the love for London-style maps though, I have to say I still really prefer DC&#8217;s style and wish that were the standard.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Jon Morgan</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/03/26/re-thinking-metros-maps/#comment-37492</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 09:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some 41s go to Lake City; some just go to Northgate.</description>
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Some 41s go to Lake City; some just go to Northgate.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Jon Morgan</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/03/26/re-thinking-metros-maps/#comment-37491</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 09:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My first reaction is that it may be great to use just for tunnel bus routes, but the problem is that you have to omit most of Metro&#039;s lines to make the map this clean and readable (e.g. all the Capitol Hill lines).  Also, scale is more important with bus than rail lines.  And as we learned in DC, it&#039;s important that bus maps show the routes in the context of city streets.  I like Paris&#039; great color-coded bus system map.

For showing headways, I definitely like this general concept.  I&#039;d have more tiers though.  A lot of people in this region seem to think that a bus every 15 minutes is frequent service--as much as you can reasonably ask for.  I find 15 minutes on Broadway and many other busy places really inadequate.  Montreal&#039;s bus stops list the times each bus arrives until they come every 6 minutes or fewer.  DC has routes that run every 3 minutes during rush hour (42/43), and even then they still list the exact time each bus is supposed to arrive.  Sit on Columbia Rd. NW or Mt. Pleasant St. NW and it&#039;s remarkable to watch the parade of buses--they clearly dominate the traffic, and that&#039;s the kind of bus service for which you truly don&#039;t need a schedule.  Every 10 minutes, as Rapid Ride anticipates, hardly qualifies.

Somewhat related, I emailed Metro recently and suggested they shade their paper schedules to indicate the Free Ride zone just like they do on the schedule side to note which runs are peak fare.</description>
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My first reaction is that it may be great to use just for tunnel bus routes, but the problem is that you have to omit most of Metro&#8217;s lines to make the map this clean and readable (e.g. all the Capitol Hill lines).  Also, scale is more important with bus than rail lines.  And as we learned in DC, it&#8217;s important that bus maps show the routes in the context of city streets.  I like Paris&#8217; great color-coded bus system map.</p>
<p>For showing headways, I definitely like this general concept.  I&#8217;d have more tiers though.  A lot of people in this region seem to think that a bus every 15 minutes is frequent service&#8211;as much as you can reasonably ask for.  I find 15 minutes on Broadway and many other busy places really inadequate.  Montreal&#8217;s bus stops list the times each bus arrives until they come every 6 minutes or fewer.  DC has routes that run every 3 minutes during rush hour (42/43), and even then they still list the exact time each bus is supposed to arrive.  Sit on Columbia Rd. NW or Mt. Pleasant St. NW and it&#8217;s remarkable to watch the parade of buses&#8211;they clearly dominate the traffic, and that&#8217;s the kind of bus service for which you truly don&#8217;t need a schedule.  Every 10 minutes, as Rapid Ride anticipates, hardly qualifies.</p>
<p>Somewhat related, I emailed Metro recently and suggested they shade their paper schedules to indicate the Free Ride zone just like they do on the schedule side to note which runs are peak fare.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: James Lamb</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/03/26/re-thinking-metros-maps/#comment-36768</link>
		<dc:creator>James Lamb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 01:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beautiful!</description>
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		<title>By: Jojo</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/03/26/re-thinking-metros-maps/#comment-36616</link>
		<dc:creator>Jojo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 10:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>absolutely beautiful!!!  So much easier to use...I pray ST and Metro will adopt something similarly sleek and modern!!!!</description>
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absolutely beautiful!!!  So much easier to use&#8230;I pray ST and Metro will adopt something similarly sleek and modern!!!!<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: newsaholic</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/03/26/re-thinking-metros-maps/#comment-36586</link>
		<dc:creator>newsaholic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 23:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m really loving this map and I hope we can push Metro (and Sound Transit)toward this way of showing route and system information.

Here&#039;s a few more errors I noticed:
- 212,217,225,229 do not stop at Mercer Island
- 101,150 do not stop at Othello or Rainier Beach
- 106 does not stop at South Renton P&amp;R</description>
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I&#8217;m really loving this map and I hope we can push Metro (and Sound Transit)toward this way of showing route and system information.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a few more errors I noticed:<br />
- 212,217,225,229 do not stop at Mercer Island<br />
- 101,150 do not stop at Othello or Rainier Beach<br />
- 106 does not stop at South Renton P&amp;R<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: newsaholic</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/03/26/re-thinking-metros-maps/#comment-36583</link>
		<dc:creator>newsaholic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 23:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... except for the 5-minute loading times at each end.  Link will probably load in 30 seconds or less.</description>
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&#8230; except for the 5-minute loading times at each end.  Link will probably load in 30 seconds or less.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: AJ</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/03/26/re-thinking-metros-maps/#comment-36575</link>
		<dc:creator>AJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unless it&#039;s bursting into flames.</description>
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Unless it&#8217;s bursting into flames.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/03/26/re-thinking-metros-maps/#comment-36556</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True (the 194 was great non-stop to/from Seattle which is something that will never happen with Link)</description>
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True (the 194 was great non-stop to/from Seattle which is something that will never happen with Link)<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Oran</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/03/26/re-thinking-metros-maps/#comment-36551</link>
		<dc:creator>Oran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, it is obviously repetitive in the 1.5 mile area where every stop is shown, however outside that area only major stops are shown. To make up for the abstraction I show the route&#039;s street in bold so there is no doubt for someone who knows nothing about those routes.</description>
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Jeff, it is obviously repetitive in the 1.5 mile area where every stop is shown, however outside that area only major stops are shown. To make up for the abstraction I show the route&#8217;s street in bold so there is no doubt for someone who knows nothing about those routes.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous Bus Driver</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/03/26/re-thinking-metros-maps/#comment-36542</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous Bus Driver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is true, but too bad, since it is faster than the Link will be...</description>
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This is true, but too bad, since it is faster than the Link will be&#8230;<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/03/26/re-thinking-metros-maps/#comment-36538</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is the 194 even listed?  It&#039;s supposed to be axed when Link opens</description>
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Why is the 194 even listed?  It&#8217;s supposed to be axed when Link opens<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Martin H. Duke</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/03/26/re-thinking-metros-maps/#comment-36537</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin H. Duke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erik,

There&#039;s no point in getting in the details; there are lots of errors and many of these routes are going to change anyway in the September (post-link) service change.

Visually, though, it&#039;s beautiful and easy-to-use.</description>
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Erik,</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no point in getting in the details; there are lots of errors and many of these routes are going to change anyway in the September (post-link) service change.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Hammerquist</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/03/26/re-thinking-metros-maps/#comment-36534</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Hammerquist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah that is a really nice map Oran, its a nice balance between London tube style abstraction and specific local stop information. Just out of curiosity, why did you choose to list the route&#039;s street first in bold instead of the cross streets? (ex. &lt;strong&gt;15th Ave E&lt;/strong&gt; / E Highland Drive) Wouldn&#039;t it be more intuitive the other way around?</description>
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Yeah that is a really nice map Oran, its a nice balance between London tube style abstraction and specific local stop information. Just out of curiosity, why did you choose to list the route&#8217;s street first in bold instead of the cross streets? (ex. <strong>15th Ave E</strong> / E Highland Drive) Wouldn&#8217;t it be more intuitive the other way around?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Hammerquist</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/03/26/re-thinking-metros-maps/#comment-36533</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Hammerquist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah its pretty full of mistakes, if you look too closely you will notice there is no Convention Center stop. To be really useful (and not just a mockup to demonstrate a concept) it would need quite a few corrections. I designed it to be part of a sort of re-branding scheme for metro and ST that would treat the Link and regional routes as one system and emphasize connections between the routes possible in the DSTT. 

I also mocked up an &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flickr.com/photos/85817371@N00/3381965265/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;in-bus route leaflet&lt;/a&gt; and a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flickr.com/photos/85817371@N00/3384960228/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;bus board advertisement&lt;/a&gt; which you can see on my Flikr account.

As far as the DSTT, I&#039;ve heard (on this very blog I believe) that its going to be open late as soon as Link service starts, which I assume metro will take advantage of by changing some routes.</description>
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Yeah its pretty full of mistakes, if you look too closely you will notice there is no Convention Center stop. To be really useful (and not just a mockup to demonstrate a concept) it would need quite a few corrections. I designed it to be part of a sort of re-branding scheme for metro and ST that would treat the Link and regional routes as one system and emphasize connections between the routes possible in the DSTT. </p>
<p>I also mocked up an <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/85817371@N00/3381965265/" rel="nofollow">in-bus route leaflet</a> and a <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/85817371@N00/3384960228/" rel="nofollow">bus board advertisement</a> which you can see on my Flikr account.</p>
<p>As far as the DSTT, I&#8217;ve heard (on this very blog I believe) that its going to be open late as soon as Link service starts, which I assume metro will take advantage of by changing some routes.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Hammerquist</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/03/26/re-thinking-metros-maps/#comment-36531</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Hammerquist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 13:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I would never have thought of the color blindness thing, but of course its really important that the map is as easy to read as possible. Good point about the 194, I&#039;m not sure how I would show that without it getting messy. I&#039;ll work on it.</description>
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Wow, I would never have thought of the color blindness thing, but of course its really important that the map is as easy to read as possible. Good point about the 194, I&#8217;m not sure how I would show that without it getting messy. I&#8217;ll work on it.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: SR Das</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/03/26/re-thinking-metros-maps/#comment-36516</link>
		<dc:creator>SR Das</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoever wrote this is forgetting:

After about 7 PM (and before 6 AM) on weekdays, Routes 71, 72 and 73 are locals which travel via Fairview and Eastlake between the U District and Downtown rather than I-5, in other words, they ARE NOT full-time express routes.  This is why I am anxious for the DSTT hours to expand---as it is, there are few local 70-series trips running through the tunnel.  He might want to add Eastlake and Havard and Fairview and Denny to his map to take this into account.</description>
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Whoever wrote this is forgetting:</p>
<p>After about 7 PM (and before 6 AM) on weekdays, Routes 71, 72 and 73 are locals which travel via Fairview and Eastlake between the U District and Downtown rather than I-5, in other words, they ARE NOT full-time express routes.  This is why I am anxious for the DSTT hours to expand&#8212;as it is, there are few local 70-series trips running through the tunnel.  He might want to add Eastlake and Havard and Fairview and Denny to his map to take this into account.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Oran</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/03/26/re-thinking-metros-maps/#comment-36501</link>
		<dc:creator>Oran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 06:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you make one that they really like and want, they might use it.

Sound Transit used my &lt;a href=&quot;http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/11/10/sound-transit-circa-2023/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ST2 2023 map&lt;/a&gt; to develop a similar version that they use to represent the Sound Transit rail system at open houses and in publications (2009 milestones, 2009 annual report to WSDOT). We&#039;ll see whether they use it in rider information.

You might be able to get away with posting these in your business or community boards or near but not at bus stops. I&#039;ve seen the OneBusAway.org stickers at some bus stops but those are small.</description>
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If you make one that they really like and want, they might use it.</p>
<p>Sound Transit used my <a href="http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/11/10/sound-transit-circa-2023/" rel="nofollow">ST2 2023 map</a> to develop a similar version that they use to represent the Sound Transit rail system at open houses and in publications (2009 milestones, 2009 annual report to WSDOT). We&#8217;ll see whether they use it in rider information.</p>
<p>You might be able to get away with posting these in your business or community boards or near but not at bus stops. I&#8217;ve seen the OneBusAway.org stickers at some bus stops but those are small.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Chris Stefan</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/03/26/re-thinking-metros-maps/#comment-36498</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 06:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is awesome. Imagine having one of these for every major transit node.</description>
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