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		<title>By: John Niles</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/04/some-good-news-from-oly/#comment-38792</link>
		<dc:creator>John Niles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 21:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My comment just above was much longer, but it was cut off by the system.</description>
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		<title>By: Chris Stefan</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/04/some-good-news-from-oly/#comment-38332</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 17:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rebuilding the Breda&#039;s as ETBs doesn&#039;t look like it was such a bright idea in hindsight. Surely there was a bus manufacturer out there who could have been convinced to offer an electric version of one of their articulated buses.

Now ETBs do hold up a little better than diesel buses but not anywhere near like rail transit vehicles do.</description>
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Rebuilding the Breda&#8217;s as ETBs doesn&#8217;t look like it was such a bright idea in hindsight. Surely there was a bus manufacturer out there who could have been convinced to offer an electric version of one of their articulated buses.</p>
<p>Now ETBs do hold up a little better than diesel buses but not anywhere near like rail transit vehicles do.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Ben Schiendelman</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/04/some-good-news-from-oly/#comment-38328</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Schiendelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 16:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a great point. Our Breda buses are teetering on the edge of failure, and those are 15 years old and have had a rebuild?

I was just pointing out that making small &#039;errors&#039; is common in Niles&#039; arguments. :)</description>
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That&#8217;s a great point. Our Breda buses are teetering on the edge of failure, and those are 15 years old and have had a rebuild?</p>
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		<title>By: Metro Tax Update - Seattle Transit Blog</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/04/some-good-news-from-oly/#comment-38306</link>
		<dc:creator>Metro Tax Update - Seattle Transit Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 13:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] battles over Sound Transit aren&#8217;t the only thing going on in Olympia.  For supporters of transit, SB 5433 is a definite [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Publicola &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Hmmmm</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/04/some-good-news-from-oly/#comment-38223</link>
		<dc:creator>Publicola &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Hmmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 23:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] so that&#8217;s all the fizz there is this morning. In the meantime, Seattle Transit Blog has some fat follow-up reporting  on the Rep. Geoff Simspon (D-47, Covington) bill we wrote about last week.   Permalink &#124; Leave a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Donolectic</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/04/some-good-news-from-oly/#comment-38116</link>
		<dc:creator>Donolectic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 05:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also got a response from my legislator (Jamie Pedersen) that he is a cosponsor of the amendment. 

I want to thank everyone at the Seattle Transit Blog for their work on this issue. It&#039;s the first time I&#039;ve gotten directly involved with my legislators on a transit issue and I wouldn&#039;t have even known about this happening without you. I&#039;ve learned so much in a very short amount of time.

The comments here are also a gold mine of information and viewpoints and actually very civil compared to other Seattle blogs. The response by some of our legislators is also great to see. 

Kudos!</description>
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I also got a response from my legislator (Jamie Pedersen) that he is a cosponsor of the amendment. </p>
<p>I want to thank everyone at the Seattle Transit Blog for their work on this issue. It&#8217;s the first time I&#8217;ve gotten directly involved with my legislators on a transit issue and I wouldn&#8217;t have even known about this happening without you. I&#8217;ve learned so much in a very short amount of time.</p>
<p>The comments here are also a gold mine of information and viewpoints and actually very civil compared to other Seattle blogs. The response by some of our legislators is also great to see. </p>
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		<title>By: EvergreenRailfan</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/04/some-good-news-from-oly/#comment-38110</link>
		<dc:creator>EvergreenRailfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 05:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben by the way, LRVs last longer than buses. 25 years is the FTA requirement, although Portland can now retire the Type 1s, they are not, even though they are high-floor. They are putting them through a rebuild that will give them 20 more years. If Portland ever builds a subway and can run 4 car trains, it will make for some interesting consists. Imagine Type 4s(Siemens Avanto-type) sandwiching a Type 1.</description>
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Ben by the way, LRVs last longer than buses. 25 years is the FTA requirement, although Portland can now retire the Type 1s, they are not, even though they are high-floor. They are putting them through a rebuild that will give them 20 more years. If Portland ever builds a subway and can run 4 car trains, it will make for some interesting consists. Imagine Type 4s(Siemens Avanto-type) sandwiching a Type 1.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: John Niles</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/04/some-good-news-from-oly/#comment-38093</link>
		<dc:creator>John Niles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 02:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The manipulative streak in me probably comes from the passionate part.</description>
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		<title>By: Ben Schiendelman</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/04/some-good-news-from-oly/#comment-38061</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Schiendelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 22:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good stuff! :)</description>
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		<title>By: Lor Scara</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/04/some-good-news-from-oly/#comment-38023</link>
		<dc:creator>Lor Scara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 19:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If that Logig gets Ferrys access to the Gas Tax, can we get a couple of car haulers added to Sounder to get some of that Gas Tax funding ;)

Lor Scara</description>
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If that Logig gets Ferrys access to the Gas Tax, can we get a couple of car haulers added to Sounder to get some of that Gas Tax funding ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan McLellan</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/04/some-good-news-from-oly/#comment-38020</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan McLellan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 19:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Mr. McLellan,

Thank you for writing to me about this issue.  I believe you are referring to the amendment being offered by Rep. Simpson, which I did sign as a co-sponsor.

Thanks again for taking the time to write,

Bob Hasegawa

WA State House of Representatives

11th Legislative District
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<blockquote><p>Mr. McLellan,</p>
<p>Thank you for writing to me about this issue.  I believe you are referring to the amendment being offered by Rep. Simpson, which I did sign as a co-sponsor.</p>
<p>Thanks again for taking the time to write,</p>
<p>Bob Hasegawa</p>
<p>WA State House of Representatives</p>
<p>11th Legislative District
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		<title>By: Mickymse</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/04/some-good-news-from-oly/#comment-37996</link>
		<dc:creator>Mickymse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 17:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gas taxes can be spent on the Ferry system because ferries are considered an extension of the highway system.</description>
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		<title>By: Ben Schiendelman</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/04/some-good-news-from-oly/#comment-37943</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Schiendelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 05:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm. So they made improvements to state highways at no cost to the state?

Also, the MOA doesn&#039;t say transit only - it says &lt;em&gt;fixed guideway&lt;/em&gt; transit. It can&#039;t be BRT without another agreement.</description>
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Hmm. So they made improvements to state highways at no cost to the state?</p>
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		<title>By: Bernie</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/04/some-good-news-from-oly/#comment-37936</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 03:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So if the gas tax has to be spend on roads I assume that means the ferry money comes from some other source. General funds?

The ferry from Anacortes to Sydney B.C. has been on the chopping block for years. It seems inconceivable that given the depth of cuts in this years budget funding to continue a tourist boat that ships money to Canada (both tourist dollars and direct payments to the Canadian government for terminal use) boggles the mind. On top of this the State is looking at buying a new boat and commit long term to this obligation?

New ferries are something that are needed. This isn&#039;t the first budget where money has been appropriated for this. The problem is the requirement to have the boats made in Washington. Only one company submitted a bid last time and it was 50% higher than estimates. Some weight should be given to contracts that come from within the State but it should be the business of the legislature, starting with those on the transportation committee to be careful shoppers and get the most boat for the buck within our severely limited budget.</description>
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So if the gas tax has to be spend on roads I assume that means the ferry money comes from some other source. General funds?</p>
<p>The ferry from Anacortes to Sydney B.C. has been on the chopping block for years. It seems inconceivable that given the depth of cuts in this years budget funding to continue a tourist boat that ships money to Canada (both tourist dollars and direct payments to the Canadian government for terminal use) boggles the mind. On top of this the State is looking at buying a new boat and commit long term to this obligation?</p>
<p>New ferries are something that are needed. This isn&#8217;t the first budget where money has been appropriated for this. The problem is the requirement to have the boats made in Washington. Only one company submitted a bid last time and it was 50% higher than estimates. Some weight should be given to contracts that come from within the State but it should be the business of the legislature, starting with those on the transportation committee to be careful shoppers and get the most boat for the buck within our severely limited budget.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Chris Stefan</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/04/some-good-news-from-oly/#comment-37927</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 01:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given the size of the budget hole that needs to be filled, I&#039;m sure this hasn&#039;t been a fun session for anyone in Olympia.</description>
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		<title>By: Deb Eddy</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/04/some-good-news-from-oly/#comment-37925</link>
		<dc:creator>Deb Eddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 00:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh dear. I just confused a Japanese department store ... SOGO ... with the area south of the Kingdome - SODO.  I will be very glad when this session is over.</description>
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Oh dear. I just confused a Japanese department store &#8230; SOGO &#8230; with the area south of the Kingdome &#8211; SODO.  I will be very glad when this session is over.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Deb Eddy</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/04/some-good-news-from-oly/#comment-37923</link>
		<dc:creator>Deb Eddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 00:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim: We mostly agree, especially when it comes to things like Amtrak.  But, unfortunately, we have an 18th Amendment to our constitution, which limits our primary revenue source to be spent on highways -- and I&#039;ll be with you, when you guys launch the initiative to change that.  Of course, we also have seriously constrained revenues right now, which complicates matters, plus about 100 different things that need done with the money we do have.

BTW, Clibborn has managed to move the whole ferry issue forward -- to the general applause of the ferry communities and representatives. I have no idea how she did it - I&#039;ve not been going to those meetings.  But the woman works incredibly hard.  And now, the ferry communities are all urging approval of the transportation budget.

I think that, as we move to EV and more transit and thus have to change how we &quot;see&quot; transportation finance, the discussion will get less helter-skelter and more systemic.  Or at least, I hope so.

Your goals are good here, and I applaud you guys for that.  Just be VERY CAREFUL about who you turn into the bad guys.  We all have our shortcomings, for sure ...  but we sure as hell are trying hard to make this a better place for us, our kids and grandkids.  And that includes not only the sainted Geoff Simpson, but also the scurrilous Judy Clibborn.  :-) (I&#039;m joking here.)

There ARE moments like last fall, when I&#039;m traveling around Japan, jumping the bus/train to downtown Kobe to pick up some fish at Sodo&#039;s food hall ...  that I say, &quot;Oh, to hell with it.  Let&#039;s just move someplace where they have good transit and quit with the arguing back home.&quot;  But I don&#039;t.  Which must mean I&#039;m some kind of sucker for punishment.

I have NEVER worked an issue with an eye to the next election, but I do appreciate that is how it seems, with some electeds and with some issues.  Not here.

More later ... watch the SR520 issue, and wish me well on that one. NO, we can&#039;t get tolls diverted to transit now, but we can get a bridge built that actually serves transit -- and that&#039;s an important first step.  And it isn&#039;t actually a done deal, yet.  /d</description>
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Tim: We mostly agree, especially when it comes to things like Amtrak.  But, unfortunately, we have an 18th Amendment to our constitution, which limits our primary revenue source to be spent on highways &#8212; and I&#8217;ll be with you, when you guys launch the initiative to change that.  Of course, we also have seriously constrained revenues right now, which complicates matters, plus about 100 different things that need done with the money we do have.</p>
<p>BTW, Clibborn has managed to move the whole ferry issue forward &#8212; to the general applause of the ferry communities and representatives. I have no idea how she did it &#8211; I&#8217;ve not been going to those meetings.  But the woman works incredibly hard.  And now, the ferry communities are all urging approval of the transportation budget.</p>
<p>I think that, as we move to EV and more transit and thus have to change how we &#8220;see&#8221; transportation finance, the discussion will get less helter-skelter and more systemic.  Or at least, I hope so.</p>
<p>Your goals are good here, and I applaud you guys for that.  Just be VERY CAREFUL about who you turn into the bad guys.  We all have our shortcomings, for sure &#8230;  but we sure as hell are trying hard to make this a better place for us, our kids and grandkids.  And that includes not only the sainted Geoff Simpson, but also the scurrilous Judy Clibborn.  :-) (I&#8217;m joking here.)</p>
<p>There ARE moments like last fall, when I&#8217;m traveling around Japan, jumping the bus/train to downtown Kobe to pick up some fish at Sodo&#8217;s food hall &#8230;  that I say, &#8220;Oh, to hell with it.  Let&#8217;s just move someplace where they have good transit and quit with the arguing back home.&#8221;  But I don&#8217;t.  Which must mean I&#8217;m some kind of sucker for punishment.</p>
<p>I have NEVER worked an issue with an eye to the next election, but I do appreciate that is how it seems, with some electeds and with some issues.  Not here.</p>
<p>More later &#8230; watch the SR520 issue, and wish me well on that one. NO, we can&#8217;t get tolls diverted to transit now, but we can get a bridge built that actually serves transit &#8212; and that&#8217;s an important first step.  And it isn&#8217;t actually a done deal, yet.  /d<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Deb Eddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deb Eddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 00:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, John.  I COMPLETELY AGREE.  Still trying to bring that same sort of closure to SR520 and early tolling.  Not quite there yet.</description>
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Thank you, John.  I COMPLETELY AGREE.  Still trying to bring that same sort of closure to SR520 and early tolling.  Not quite there yet.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Chris Stefan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 22:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect some see Sound Transit as a &quot;cash cow&quot; that can be extorted to pay for other underfunded projects. Dino Rossi proposed taking money from Sound Transit in his transportation &quot;plan&quot; and given the $1 billion plus price tag some are proposing for use of the center roadway I doubt he is the last. After all why would Sound Transit be charged $1 billion other than to fill a budget hole for SR-520 or I-405?</description>
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I suspect some see Sound Transit as a &#8220;cash cow&#8221; that can be extorted to pay for other underfunded projects. Dino Rossi proposed taking money from Sound Transit in his transportation &#8220;plan&#8221; and given the $1 billion plus price tag some are proposing for use of the center roadway I doubt he is the last. After all why would Sound Transit be charged $1 billion other than to fill a budget hole for SR-520 or I-405?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Ben Schiendelman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Schiendelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 21:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d say it was a perfect example, that&#039;s almost exactly what he does.</description>
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