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		<title>By: Al</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/16/working-the-glitches-out/#comment-40571</link>
		<dc:creator>Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 04:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand what you are saying.  When a bicyclist does unpredictable moves, it&#039;s scary.  Jeez, I even don&#039;t like it when a bicyclist does something like dart in front of me when I MYSELF am bicycling.  Education for all is key.  When you are driving your car and find an erratic bicyclist in front of you simply GIVE THEM ROOM and TAKE YOUR TIME passing them.  You will still get where you are going.  THEY have the right of way, not you.  If they however dart in front of you or enter your line of travel and stop YOUR right of way (this doesn&#039;t mean a bicyclist riding in the street who you come upon from behind) then THEY are in error.  It&#039;s not &quot;going to be their fault&quot; at all times.  As a driver you have the preponderance of liability with the bigger vehicle and that&#039;s built into the RCW&#039;s, that we can ride &quot;as is safe&quot; and most of us do.  It&#039;s sad that there are cyclists out there that risk both their own safety and other&#039;s safety for the sake of just being a jerk.  I don&#039;t see all auto drivers as jerks just because I have a few bad experiences per week with a driver &quot;right hooking&quot; me or cutting me off, or running a red light.  In fact, the amount of vehicles that pass me just fine is astounding.  

You should ride a bike sometime to understand the complaints.  It&#039;s quite scary when you are staring at the side of a car who decided to run a red light to save 30 seconds.  It&#039;s really risking killing someone or causing major bodily injury.  And yes, that goes for bicyclists too who ignore peds.  Please don&#039;t put us all in the same category - I was just making a point that it was interesting to hear that the trains were having some of the same problem with autos as bicyclists commonly do, and peds commonly do.  I think the point is that everyone has issues, but the fact is that autos are so much more common on the streets and since they have the potential to cause so much damage people behind the wheel should really pay attention and be aware of their potential to cause harm.  

Good luck getting where you are going safely.</description>
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I understand what you are saying.  When a bicyclist does unpredictable moves, it&#8217;s scary.  Jeez, I even don&#8217;t like it when a bicyclist does something like dart in front of me when I MYSELF am bicycling.  Education for all is key.  When you are driving your car and find an erratic bicyclist in front of you simply GIVE THEM ROOM and TAKE YOUR TIME passing them.  You will still get where you are going.  THEY have the right of way, not you.  If they however dart in front of you or enter your line of travel and stop YOUR right of way (this doesn&#8217;t mean a bicyclist riding in the street who you come upon from behind) then THEY are in error.  It&#8217;s not &#8220;going to be their fault&#8221; at all times.  As a driver you have the preponderance of liability with the bigger vehicle and that&#8217;s built into the RCW&#8217;s, that we can ride &#8220;as is safe&#8221; and most of us do.  It&#8217;s sad that there are cyclists out there that risk both their own safety and other&#8217;s safety for the sake of just being a jerk.  I don&#8217;t see all auto drivers as jerks just because I have a few bad experiences per week with a driver &#8220;right hooking&#8221; me or cutting me off, or running a red light.  In fact, the amount of vehicles that pass me just fine is astounding.  </p>
<p>You should ride a bike sometime to understand the complaints.  It&#8217;s quite scary when you are staring at the side of a car who decided to run a red light to save 30 seconds.  It&#8217;s really risking killing someone or causing major bodily injury.  And yes, that goes for bicyclists too who ignore peds.  Please don&#8217;t put us all in the same category &#8211; I was just making a point that it was interesting to hear that the trains were having some of the same problem with autos as bicyclists commonly do, and peds commonly do.  I think the point is that everyone has issues, but the fact is that autos are so much more common on the streets and since they have the potential to cause so much damage people behind the wheel should really pay attention and be aware of their potential to cause harm.  </p>
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		<title>By: Brant</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/16/working-the-glitches-out/#comment-40414</link>
		<dc:creator>Brant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 03:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I get angry at bike riders because when I&#039;m driving my car I&#039;m terrifed I&#039;m going to kill one of them and it&#039;s going to be thier fault and I&#039;m going to feel like an asshole.  When i&#039;m in pedestrian mode, I get angry at bike riders because they seem to care less about foot traffic than do autos (turning right on reds is a particularly common offense).

I thought hte switcheroo was funny, because any time you talk to bike/car/ped/train folks they all ahve the same litany of complaints as you, and it just switched over so nicely!</description>
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Personally, I get angry at bike riders because when I&#8217;m driving my car I&#8217;m terrifed I&#8217;m going to kill one of them and it&#8217;s going to be thier fault and I&#8217;m going to feel like an asshole.  When i&#8217;m in pedestrian mode, I get angry at bike riders because they seem to care less about foot traffic than do autos (turning right on reds is a particularly common offense).</p>
<p>I thought hte switcheroo was funny, because any time you talk to bike/car/ped/train folks they all ahve the same litany of complaints as you, and it just switched over so nicely!<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Al</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/16/working-the-glitches-out/#comment-40341</link>
		<dc:creator>Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 15:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I get it, whatever.  It goes both ways.  Facetiousness doesn&#039;t translate here well does it?  If you notice I DID acknowledge that some bicyclists do not follow the rules.  Where&#039;s the outrage against autos anyway?  This is about ALL modes of PEOPLE that do stupid things.  Not everyone does bad things - why do bicyclists incur all the wrath - not all of us are lawless renegades.</description>
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Yeah, I get it, whatever.  It goes both ways.  Facetiousness doesn&#8217;t translate here well does it?  If you notice I DID acknowledge that some bicyclists do not follow the rules.  Where&#8217;s the outrage against autos anyway?  This is about ALL modes of PEOPLE that do stupid things.  Not everyone does bad things &#8211; why do bicyclists incur all the wrath &#8211; not all of us are lawless renegades.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Bernie</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/16/working-the-glitches-out/#comment-40255</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 23:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Double tracks present a pedestrian risk because people wait until one train passes and then dash across without seeing or hearing the train coming from the opposite direction. I know it sounds like it should be a candidate for the Darwin award but it happens.</description>
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Double tracks present a pedestrian risk because people wait until one train passes and then dash across without seeing or hearing the train coming from the opposite direction. I know it sounds like it should be a candidate for the Darwin award but it happens.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Christof Spieler</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/16/working-the-glitches-out/#comment-40253</link>
		<dc:creator>Christof Spieler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 23:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There were more accidents on Houston&#039;s Main Street before the light rail line was put in than after. Rail has actually made the street safer.

The problem is that everyone accepts car-on-car wrecks as normal and acceptable but sees car-on-train wrecks as problems. (A non-injury car-on-car accident never makes the news.) The problem is not the trains -- they&#039;re predictable in both their speed and their path. The problem is cars.

Incidentally, there have been hardly any train-pedestrian collisions in Houston, despite a lot of jaywalking around the tracks. People see the trains and judge their speeds very well. The systems that have a lot of pedestrian collisions tend to be those that run 65, not 35 -- I assume it&#039;s just much harder to judge how long a train will take to get to you at that speed.</description>
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There were more accidents on Houston&#8217;s Main Street before the light rail line was put in than after. Rail has actually made the street safer.</p>
<p>The problem is that everyone accepts car-on-car wrecks as normal and acceptable but sees car-on-train wrecks as problems. (A non-injury car-on-car accident never makes the news.) The problem is not the trains &#8212; they&#8217;re predictable in both their speed and their path. The problem is cars.</p>
<p>Incidentally, there have been hardly any train-pedestrian collisions in Houston, despite a lot of jaywalking around the tracks. People see the trains and judge their speeds very well. The systems that have a lot of pedestrian collisions tend to be those that run 65, not 35 &#8212; I assume it&#8217;s just much harder to judge how long a train will take to get to you at that speed.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Brant</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/16/working-the-glitches-out/#comment-40231</link>
		<dc:creator>Brant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 19:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Singling out bike riders seems like a great idea to me!  Soudns like al is encountering some of the same incompetence/lawlessness that we automobile drives encounter every day, every mile with the bike riders.  This does not surprise me in the least!  Of course bikes run lights like they were green.  Of course they illegally turn on red or roll through a stop without looking.  This is not rocket science.</description>
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Singling out bike riders seems like a great idea to me!  Soudns like al is encountering some of the same incompetence/lawlessness that we automobile drives encounter every day, every mile with the bike riders.  This does not surprise me in the least!  Of course bikes run lights like they were green.  Of course they illegally turn on red or roll through a stop without looking.  This is not rocket science.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Bernie</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/16/working-the-glitches-out/#comment-40182</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 17:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;That many accidents showed something was wrong with the train somehow&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Or wrong with the road?</description>
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<blockquote><p>That many accidents showed something was wrong with the train somehow</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/16/working-the-glitches-out/#comment-40175</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 16:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The other reason I heard for rejecting the rt99 alignment was that the high school was on one side of the street and a major grocery store on the other. The city was worried that the high school kids would get whacked crossing over at lunch time.

On the other side of the coin, if there was a stop near the high school it could have been used by the students riding to the high school.

And yes Tukwilla is a huge sprawl. The city council is trying to change that and they did it by designating the Southcenter area as open for office/retail/appartment development. If you were around here 30 years ago, you can see what happened in Bellevue once they had a development plan. It takes time to do this sort of shift.</description>
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The other reason I heard for rejecting the rt99 alignment was that the high school was on one side of the street and a major grocery store on the other. The city was worried that the high school kids would get whacked crossing over at lunch time.</p>
<p>On the other side of the coin, if there was a stop near the high school it could have been used by the students riding to the high school.</p>
<p>And yes Tukwilla is a huge sprawl. The city council is trying to change that and they did it by designating the Southcenter area as open for office/retail/appartment development. If you were around here 30 years ago, you can see what happened in Bellevue once they had a development plan. It takes time to do this sort of shift.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: romulus</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/16/working-the-glitches-out/#comment-40172</link>
		<dc:creator>romulus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 16:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I went to Northeastern University in Boston, and the subway came out of the tunnel into an at-grade (but separated, at that point) track right in the middle of campus. Every year or two, some idiot student late to class would try to dart over the tracks in front of an oncoming train, and get smacked.

The trains still roll. Why? Because for every dumbass that gets hit by them, a few hundred thousand non-dumbasses rely on them.</description>
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I went to Northeastern University in Boston, and the subway came out of the tunnel into an at-grade (but separated, at that point) track right in the middle of campus. Every year or two, some idiot student late to class would try to dart over the tracks in front of an oncoming train, and get smacked.</p>
<p>The trains still roll. Why? Because for every dumbass that gets hit by them, a few hundred thousand non-dumbasses rely on them.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Smith</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/16/working-the-glitches-out/#comment-40165</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s hard to find instances where the train was at fault, trust me I looked. I wrote this post as a warning to Sound Transit.

In Houston&#039;s case, they had 75 accidents in a year, and 74 of them were the driver&#039;s fault. But you wouldn&#039;t say that all 75 were &lt;b&gt;caused&lt;/b&gt; by the drivers, would you? That many accidents showed something was wrong with the train somehow, even if the law made the train in the right more than 98% of the time.</description>
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It&#8217;s hard to find instances where the train was at fault, trust me I looked. I wrote this post as a warning to Sound Transit.</p>
<p>In Houston&#8217;s case, they had 75 accidents in a year, and 74 of them were the driver&#8217;s fault. But you wouldn&#8217;t say that all 75 were <b>caused</b> by the drivers, would you? That many accidents showed something was wrong with the train somehow, even if the law made the train in the right more than 98% of the time.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/16/working-the-glitches-out/#comment-40160</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting how only incidents where the car is at fault is listed.  I&#039;m not surprised, this being a Rail enthusiast blog.  So it&#039;s up to me to mention the LA commuter rail crash that killed 25 people that is thought to be caused by the rail operator texting someone right before the crash.</description>
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Interesting how only incidents where the car is at fault is listed.  I&#8217;m not surprised, this being a Rail enthusiast blog.  So it&#8217;s up to me to mention the LA commuter rail crash that killed 25 people that is thought to be caused by the rail operator texting someone right before the crash.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: News Round Up: HSR, BRT, TVMs and Streetcars - Seattle Transit Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>News Round Up: HSR, BRT, TVMs and Streetcars - Seattle Transit Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 10:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The media is way over-reacting to the Link-car collision, as I worried they might. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 01:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Even the safest communities have some crime...&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Some communities are targeted for that very reason--everyone feels safe and they&#039;ve let their guard down.</description>
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<blockquote><p>Even the safest communities have some crime&#8230;</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Chris Stefan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 00:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You forget the ID station which is probably more important to the entire system than Pioneer Square (indeed more important than any other in Central Link except Westlake).

Given how difficult North Beacon Hill is to serve with transit due to limited and congested access it would have been silly to dig a tunnel under the hill and not put a station in. Dearborn turned out not to be a viable alignment which is why Link goes under Beacon Hill in the first place.

Sodo station is within walking distance of SoDo center among other things. While there may not be much residential in the area there are a number of office and industrial jobs nearby.

Rainier Station for East Link is roughly as far from Mt. Baker station as the Columbia City Station is.</description>
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You forget the ID station which is probably more important to the entire system than Pioneer Square (indeed more important than any other in Central Link except Westlake).</p>
<p>Given how difficult North Beacon Hill is to serve with transit due to limited and congested access it would have been silly to dig a tunnel under the hill and not put a station in. Dearborn turned out not to be a viable alignment which is why Link goes under Beacon Hill in the first place.</p>
<p>Sodo station is within walking distance of SoDo center among other things. While there may not be much residential in the area there are a number of office and industrial jobs nearby.</p>
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		<title>By: SJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>SJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 00:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reminder: The next multi-mode test (trains and busses in the tunnel together) will be this Saturday (4/18/09) morning.

The first complete End to End test should be Tomorrow! (4/17/09 after the tunnel closes.) Permits permitting. :)

On the accidents: A view from inside.
  They will happen, we will have a fatality, we will have something BIG.
  Our job is to make them as few and far between as possible. We are training the fire departments in big accident response (one exercise is scheduled for 4/17 in Tukwila).
  Last night we were out of service for about 40 minutes for the investigation but were able to continue service at that time for the remainder of our test time (until 9pm.) The operator is o.k. and the LRV is out of service only because we can run one less LRV for the test. It was cleared for service at the scene with minor damage. It appears that the driver of the car either did not &quot;see&quot; the LRV traveling in the same direction or they were trying to race it. either way it was a left turn in a location clearly marked &quot;No Left Turn.&quot; As Niven would say &quot;Think of it as evolution in action.&quot; One reason that we are running the trains in this corridor at service frequency levels is to acclimate drivers to the fact that &quot;Der be trains on dem der rails!&quot; 
  It wouldn&#039;t matter if we placed 8 foot tall fences with razor wire at the top, backed with iron rails. Somebody would manage to get into the right of way and hit a train. It&#039;s a fact of rail. I have actually seen a case of suicide by Sounder. not a pretty sight.

On Crime and Vandalism:
  I have been surprised that we have not had more vandalism on the LRVs. This last week we have been storing them at Rainier Beach siding and they have been safe. There are bullet holes in the office there, the police refuse to use it as an office. All of the stations will have active video monitoring and &quot;Passenger Emergency Telephones&quot; (PETs) and trained personnel that can find an event and transfer the video to police for evidence.

CLLR stations:
  We needed at least one station in the busway corridor. I was rather surprized that they made two. Stadium station is required for when the DSTT is closed, trains can still operate the rest of the line and cross over at the Royal Brougham interlock maintaining service. It is nice that the bus drivers can get to work. I still do not understand the need for SODO, but I can accept that.

Relief Points:
  There is a &quot;relief shack&quot; on the elevated portion over Forrest st. but the dynamics of an operator change may require something different in the future. One thing that may be happening in the schedule is to have a rolling relief, so that an operator will get more than a 8 minute break. This is what the &quot;Pre-Revenue&quot; period is for sorting out.</description>
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Reminder: The next multi-mode test (trains and busses in the tunnel together) will be this Saturday (4/18/09) morning.</p>
<p>The first complete End to End test should be Tomorrow! (4/17/09 after the tunnel closes.) Permits permitting. :)</p>
<p>On the accidents: A view from inside.<br />
  They will happen, we will have a fatality, we will have something BIG.<br />
  Our job is to make them as few and far between as possible. We are training the fire departments in big accident response (one exercise is scheduled for 4/17 in Tukwila).<br />
  Last night we were out of service for about 40 minutes for the investigation but were able to continue service at that time for the remainder of our test time (until 9pm.) The operator is o.k. and the LRV is out of service only because we can run one less LRV for the test. It was cleared for service at the scene with minor damage. It appears that the driver of the car either did not &#8220;see&#8221; the LRV traveling in the same direction or they were trying to race it. either way it was a left turn in a location clearly marked &#8220;No Left Turn.&#8221; As Niven would say &#8220;Think of it as evolution in action.&#8221; One reason that we are running the trains in this corridor at service frequency levels is to acclimate drivers to the fact that &#8220;Der be trains on dem der rails!&#8221;<br />
  It wouldn&#8217;t matter if we placed 8 foot tall fences with razor wire at the top, backed with iron rails. Somebody would manage to get into the right of way and hit a train. It&#8217;s a fact of rail. I have actually seen a case of suicide by Sounder. not a pretty sight.</p>
<p>On Crime and Vandalism:<br />
  I have been surprised that we have not had more vandalism on the LRVs. This last week we have been storing them at Rainier Beach siding and they have been safe. There are bullet holes in the office there, the police refuse to use it as an office. All of the stations will have active video monitoring and &#8220;Passenger Emergency Telephones&#8221; (PETs) and trained personnel that can find an event and transfer the video to police for evidence.</p>
<p>CLLR stations:<br />
  We needed at least one station in the busway corridor. I was rather surprized that they made two. Stadium station is required for when the DSTT is closed, trains can still operate the rest of the line and cross over at the Royal Brougham interlock maintaining service. It is nice that the bus drivers can get to work. I still do not understand the need for SODO, but I can accept that.</p>
<p>Relief Points:<br />
  There is a &#8220;relief shack&#8221; on the elevated portion over Forrest st. but the dynamics of an operator change may require something different in the future. One thing that may be happening in the schedule is to have a rolling relief, so that an operator will get more than a 8 minute break. This is what the &#8220;Pre-Revenue&#8221; period is for sorting out.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Bernie</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 23:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I get that they are both &quot;deserving&quot; of a station and of all the stations from Pioneer Square back to Mt Baker those probably have the most merit. But, the spacing of the other stations isn&#039;t really walkable and people have to rely on feeder service to link. The Beacon Hill station seems to have been particularly problematic and I wonder how much more of the area would have ready access if the emphasis had been on local service. It&#039;s a lot easier to provide good transit connections to not only the surrounding residential areas but connections from Link to say Pill Hill if concentrated on one station as a &quot;Hub&quot;.</description>
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I get that they are both &#8220;deserving&#8221; of a station and of all the stations from Pioneer Square back to Mt Baker those probably have the most merit. But, the spacing of the other stations isn&#8217;t really walkable and people have to rely on feeder service to link. The Beacon Hill station seems to have been particularly problematic and I wonder how much more of the area would have ready access if the emphasis had been on local service. It&#8217;s a lot easier to provide good transit connections to not only the surrounding residential areas but connections from Link to say Pill Hill if concentrated on one station as a &#8220;Hub&#8221;.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: litlnemo</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Mt Baker and Beacon Hill are both dense neighborhoods but the spacing relative to all the other stops on MLK is less than half.&quot;

The steepness of the hill between those two stations makes the distance much less walkable than you would think just looking at how far it is. It&#039;s not terribly far at all, but that is a very steep hill.

It&#039;s not far from the top of the Counterbalance to the base either, but if I were putting a streetcar back in there (oh, I wish) I&#039;d put a stop at the top and bottom, too. The steepness makes it difficult for people, particularly older folks or the disabled.</description>
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&#8220;Mt Baker and Beacon Hill are both dense neighborhoods but the spacing relative to all the other stops on MLK is less than half.&#8221;</p>
<p>The steepness of the hill between those two stations makes the distance much less walkable than you would think just looking at how far it is. It&#8217;s not terribly far at all, but that is a very steep hill.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not far from the top of the Counterbalance to the base either, but if I were putting a streetcar back in there (oh, I wish) I&#8217;d put a stop at the top and bottom, too. The steepness makes it difficult for people, particularly older folks or the disabled.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: alexjonlin</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah my light rail fantasy map includes a route going south through SODO and Georgetown, then after meeting up at Boeing Access Rd, I have it cutting over and stopping in Skyway and a couple stations in Renton. And I don&#039;t think Link through the RV should ever be elevated; if they&#039;re going to grade-separate it, it should go in a tunnel.</description>
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Yeah my light rail fantasy map includes a route going south through SODO and Georgetown, then after meeting up at Boeing Access Rd, I have it cutting over and stopping in Skyway and a couple stations in Renton. And I don&#8217;t think Link through the RV should ever be elevated; if they&#8217;re going to grade-separate it, it should go in a tunnel.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: alexjonlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>alexjonlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only things I see about grade separation suggest elevating the line. Has anyone suggested burying it?</description>
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The only things I see about grade separation suggest elevating the line. Has anyone suggested burying it?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam&#039;s comment was deleted for trolling, but from the responses, it appears he just said something negative about light rail. While I don&#039;t agree with what it sounds like the comment was about, I still don&#039;t think that&#039;s grounds for deletion.</description>
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Sam&#8217;s comment was deleted for trolling, but from the responses, it appears he just said something negative about light rail. While I don&#8217;t agree with what it sounds like the comment was about, I still don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s grounds for deletion.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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