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	<title>Comments on: The Gas Tax and the State Constitution</title>
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		<title>By: Zach</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/19/the-gas-tax-and-the-state-constitution/#comment-40781</link>
		<dc:creator>Zach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 04:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding your first paragraph, the Times already did interview Sims, who said that the tax issue wasn&#039;t what sunk his campaign, and then encouraged Brown to move the ball forward on that issue(as she considers a gubenatorial run in 2012).


Regarding your second paragraph, I have no idea what you&#039;re talking about.</description>
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Regarding your first paragraph, the Times already did interview Sims, who said that the tax issue wasn&#8217;t what sunk his campaign, and then encouraged Brown to move the ball forward on that issue(as she considers a gubenatorial run in 2012).</p>
<p>Regarding your second paragraph, I have no idea what you&#8217;re talking about.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Bernie</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/19/the-gas-tax-and-the-state-constitution/#comment-40706</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 21:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That doesn&#039;t work for a number of special State exemptions, Oregon for example has different types of pension and retirement income exemptions not reflected in 1040 adjusted earned income. For an example of how twisted a State income tax code is likely to become take a gander at our B&amp;O tax. Even our sales tax ends up with special interest exemptions; like the deduction for used car trade in at a dealer or tax free purchases for materials on &lt;i&gt;some&lt;/i&gt; State construction projects.</description>
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That doesn&#8217;t work for a number of special State exemptions, Oregon for example has different types of pension and retirement income exemptions not reflected in 1040 adjusted earned income. For an example of how twisted a State income tax code is likely to become take a gander at our B&amp;O tax. Even our sales tax ends up with special interest exemptions; like the deduction for used car trade in at a dealer or tax free purchases for materials on <i>some</i> State construction projects.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: joshuadf</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/19/the-gas-tax-and-the-state-constitution/#comment-40693</link>
		<dc:creator>joshuadf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 20:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth, Oregon pushes all the income tax work onto the IRS or at least did when I lived in Oregon. You basically fill in your IRS 1040 (or whatever) adjusted income.</description>
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For what it&#8217;s worth, Oregon pushes all the income tax work onto the IRS or at least did when I lived in Oregon. You basically fill in your IRS 1040 (or whatever) adjusted income.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Bernie</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/19/the-gas-tax-and-the-state-constitution/#comment-40675</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 18:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sales tax in WA doesn&#039;t include food, rent, medical expenses or education. Structuring an income tax to be progressive entails a tremendous amount of wrangling and bureaucracy. How do you deal with retirement income?, amended federal returns, establishing residency (students, military, dual home ownership, etc.), collection &amp; enforcement (i.e. self employed and undeclared income).  The gas tax is high (and regressive) but probably not high enough. The price of gas has wild swings ($2-$4 per gallon in the last year) but consumption is steady in comparison. The issue is it doesn&#039;t get raised when needed to keep up with inflation. Metro areas are the ones with the highest cost of road construction and maintenance. They also tend to be the most likely to provide a transit alternative. Why not let local areas have the option of adding a sales tax or per gallon adder like Oregon does with the money earmarked for roads/transit. There will be a built in check on this because cities will have to make the marginal cost of gas no higher than driving elsewhere to fill up.

I think any attempt to modify the State constitution to allow an income tax would have to start with the prohibition on State (not local) sales tax. CA has the highest gas tax by a wide margin of any of the west coast states. (Oregon has a &quot;hidden&quot; gas tax in prohibiting self serve which ends up keeping prices on par with WA). CA has a State sales tax higher that WA (8.25% vs 6.5%) and it has a higher income tax than Oregon. The general perception is that&#039;s where WA is headed if we simply add an income tax.</description>
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Sales tax in WA doesn&#8217;t include food, rent, medical expenses or education. Structuring an income tax to be progressive entails a tremendous amount of wrangling and bureaucracy. How do you deal with retirement income?, amended federal returns, establishing residency (students, military, dual home ownership, etc.), collection &amp; enforcement (i.e. self employed and undeclared income).  The gas tax is high (and regressive) but probably not high enough. The price of gas has wild swings ($2-$4 per gallon in the last year) but consumption is steady in comparison. The issue is it doesn&#8217;t get raised when needed to keep up with inflation. Metro areas are the ones with the highest cost of road construction and maintenance. They also tend to be the most likely to provide a transit alternative. Why not let local areas have the option of adding a sales tax or per gallon adder like Oregon does with the money earmarked for roads/transit. There will be a built in check on this because cities will have to make the marginal cost of gas no higher than driving elsewhere to fill up.</p>
<p>I think any attempt to modify the State constitution to allow an income tax would have to start with the prohibition on State (not local) sales tax. CA has the highest gas tax by a wide margin of any of the west coast states. (Oregon has a &#8220;hidden&#8221; gas tax in prohibiting self serve which ends up keeping prices on par with WA). CA has a State sales tax higher that WA (8.25% vs 6.5%) and it has a higher income tax than Oregon. The general perception is that&#8217;s where WA is headed if we simply add an income tax.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Martin H. Duke</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/19/the-gas-tax-and-the-state-constitution/#comment-40638</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin H. Duke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 17:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bernie,

1) Cigarette taxes are regressive too, but they discourage behavior with large negative externalities.  That&#039;s much less the case with sales tax.

2) If you want to get behind a progressive income tax to fund transit I&#039;ll get behind that too, but the point is that transit funding is highly progressive, regardless of where the funding comes from.</description>
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Bernie,</p>
<p>1) Cigarette taxes are regressive too, but they discourage behavior with large negative externalities.  That&#8217;s much less the case with sales tax.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/19/the-gas-tax-and-the-state-constitution/#comment-40636</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 16:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So ask Ron Sims how well running on an income tax worked. That was his major plan vs Ms. Gregoire and it doomed his candidacy to the single digits. I don&#039;t have a recent poll on an income tax but all the previous ones have shown absolutely zero support for it.

Oh and having laypersons make the choices? And since when are we going to be given the a-la carte menu for a state budget? I admit it would probably work if everyone was given a state budget and requirement that it add up to the state income. And then everyone was forced to allocate the money. The extremes would average out and we&#039;d probably do a fine job of it and not fund things that we could do without.  But you might find things like Light rail with less money than say jails or education which people rank higher than public transit.</description>
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So ask Ron Sims how well running on an income tax worked. That was his major plan vs Ms. Gregoire and it doomed his candidacy to the single digits. I don&#8217;t have a recent poll on an income tax but all the previous ones have shown absolutely zero support for it.</p>
<p>Oh and having laypersons make the choices? And since when are we going to be given the a-la carte menu for a state budget? I admit it would probably work if everyone was given a state budget and requirement that it add up to the state income. And then everyone was forced to allocate the money. The extremes would average out and we&#8217;d probably do a fine job of it and not fund things that we could do without.  But you might find things like Light rail with less money than say jails or education which people rank higher than public transit.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Matt the Engineer</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/19/the-gas-tax-and-the-state-constitution/#comment-40634</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt the Engineer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 16:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Carbicle&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;one solution&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Bernie</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/19/the-gas-tax-and-the-state-constitution/#comment-40621</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;So the area that has the densities to avoid needing asphalt and has the higher property-tax-generation-per-acre, &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Rural King County doesn&#039;t have anywhere near the property tax generation per acre of the cities. The tax paid is on assessed value which are &lt;i&gt;way&lt;/i&gt; higher in incorporated areas. Of course it costs more to plan roads in a city than to chip seal a stretch of road in a rural area.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Remember also that once covered in asphalt for moving more automobiles, land that was once on the property roles generating property tax, gets taken off the property tax roles and no longer generates revenue.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
No, the land becomes more valuable once subdivided and generates way more property tax. Most road widening doesn&#039;t change anything with respect to land boundarys because county setbacks generally absorb the road. The land owners yard gets chewed up but the county still gets it&#039;s taxes.</description>
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<blockquote><p>So the area that has the densities to avoid needing asphalt and has the higher property-tax-generation-per-acre, </p></blockquote>
<p>Rural King County doesn&#8217;t have anywhere near the property tax generation per acre of the cities. The tax paid is on assessed value which are <i>way</i> higher in incorporated areas. Of course it costs more to plan roads in a city than to chip seal a stretch of road in a rural area.</p>
<blockquote><p>Remember also that once covered in asphalt for moving more automobiles, land that was once on the property roles generating property tax, gets taken off the property tax roles and no longer generates revenue.</p></blockquote>
<p>No, the land becomes more valuable once subdivided and generates way more property tax. Most road widening doesn&#8217;t change anything with respect to land boundarys because county setbacks generally absorb the road. The land owners yard gets chewed up but the county still gets it&#8217;s taxes.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Erik</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/19/the-gas-tax-and-the-state-constitution/#comment-40600</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 08:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Except that only 3¢ goes to city asphalt, and 5¢ goes to county asphalt; the rest of your 12 cents goes to &quot;Administration&quot; and &quot;Transportation Improvement Board&quot; (in other words &quot;Planning and justifiying more asphalt&quot;).

So Seattle gets 3¢ while Greenwater gets 5 cents?  Karl Marx himself couldn&#039;t come up with such an ass-backward distribution.

So the area that has the densities to avoid needing asphalt and has the higher property-tax-generation-per-acre, gets screwed when it comes to getting money for more (or rerairing) asphalt?

Remember also that once covered in asphalt for moving more automobiles, land that was once on the property roles generating property tax, gets taken off the property tax roles and no longer generates revenue.

And both the UP and the BNSF Rights-of-ways are ON the property tax roles; the two railroads are often the biggest taxpayers in some municipalities and counties in Washington State.</description>
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Except that only 3¢ goes to city asphalt, and 5¢ goes to county asphalt; the rest of your 12 cents goes to &#8220;Administration&#8221; and &#8220;Transportation Improvement Board&#8221; (in other words &#8220;Planning and justifiying more asphalt&#8221;).</p>
<p>So Seattle gets 3¢ while Greenwater gets 5 cents?  Karl Marx himself couldn&#8217;t come up with such an ass-backward distribution.</p>
<p>So the area that has the densities to avoid needing asphalt and has the higher property-tax-generation-per-acre, gets screwed when it comes to getting money for more (or rerairing) asphalt?</p>
<p>Remember also that once covered in asphalt for moving more automobiles, land that was once on the property roles generating property tax, gets taken off the property tax roles and no longer generates revenue.</p>
<p>And both the UP and the BNSF Rights-of-ways are ON the property tax roles; the two railroads are often the biggest taxpayers in some municipalities and counties in Washington State.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Erik</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/19/the-gas-tax-and-the-state-constitution/#comment-40598</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 08:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate the anecdotes (mine and yours) but someone needs to start collecting hard numbers back by statistical analysis.

Also to your point about the sales tax; I wonder why the sales tax is not applied to gasoline purchases?  It is a transaction that would be taxed if one was purchasing any other liquid.  California applies sales tax to gasoline and diesel; why not the other west coast state with a existing sales tax, Washington State??

Or is it because, in a state that has traditionally used property tax for funding, vehicles, the second most expensive piece of property that most people own (most expensive for some) has been exempt from property tax since the cowards in Olympia genuflected to the watch salesman of Mukilteo those many years ago?</description>
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I appreciate the anecdotes (mine and yours) but someone needs to start collecting hard numbers back by statistical analysis.</p>
<p>Also to your point about the sales tax; I wonder why the sales tax is not applied to gasoline purchases?  It is a transaction that would be taxed if one was purchasing any other liquid.  California applies sales tax to gasoline and diesel; why not the other west coast state with a existing sales tax, Washington State??</p>
<p>Or is it because, in a state that has traditionally used property tax for funding, vehicles, the second most expensive piece of property that most people own (most expensive for some) has been exempt from property tax since the cowards in Olympia genuflected to the watch salesman of Mukilteo those many years ago?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Erik</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/19/the-gas-tax-and-the-state-constitution/#comment-40595</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 08:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gas tax needs to be:

A) Pegged to inflation and raised every year 

(See as an example what the USPS has now done in regards to the price of a first class stamp which will now, if needed, rise every year on or about May 11th)

B) Adjusted to compensate for improved gas mileage of most vehicles on the road. 

(This is a tough one to do since public policy is usually to encourage efficiency.  But what happens in the future when more and more vehicles no longer run on taxable gasoline?)</description>
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Gas tax needs to be:</p>
<p>A) Pegged to inflation and raised every year </p>
<p>(See as an example what the USPS has now done in regards to the price of a first class stamp which will now, if needed, rise every year on or about May 11th)</p>
<p>B) Adjusted to compensate for improved gas mileage of most vehicles on the road. </p>
<p>(This is a tough one to do since public policy is usually to encourage efficiency.  But what happens in the future when more and more vehicles no longer run on taxable gasoline?)<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: CriticalWonk</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/19/the-gas-tax-and-the-state-constitution/#comment-40591</link>
		<dc:creator>CriticalWonk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 07:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to be such a crank and off topic but I had just hung up the phone from a call where I was asked to &#039;connect&#039; with my legislators about an education issue.  I just ranted at the poor woman and said I am done emailing my legislators to ask for a half a crumb for this need versus a quarter crumb for that need and all you all unions and advocates need to get it together and figure out how to present all the information to the people about all the possible revenue streams and needs.</description>
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Sorry to be such a crank and off topic but I had just hung up the phone from a call where I was asked to &#8216;connect&#8217; with my legislators about an education issue.  I just ranted at the poor woman and said I am done emailing my legislators to ask for a half a crumb for this need versus a quarter crumb for that need and all you all unions and advocates need to get it together and figure out how to present all the information to the people about all the possible revenue streams and needs.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Friends of Seattle</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/19/the-gas-tax-and-the-state-constitution/#comment-40588</link>
		<dc:creator>Friends of Seattle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 07:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Morgan Wick

Yes... that&#039;s true...

But so what?</description>
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		<title>By: Friends of Seattle</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/19/the-gas-tax-and-the-state-constitution/#comment-40587</link>
		<dc:creator>Friends of Seattle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 07:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Andrew. That&#039;s correct. Article 23, Section 1 of the Washington State Constitution prohibits an amendment to the constitution unless 2/3 of both the House of Representatives and the state Senate approve the amendment, and a majority of the voters in the next general election concur. See http://www.leg.wa.gov/LawsAndAgencyRules/Constitution.htm.

So political energy should not be expended on an amendment. Rather, transit advocates should lobby the legislature to remove the sales-tax exemption for gas, as you suggest, and also oppose any new gas taxes in the future.

Does anyone know whether it&#039;s too late for the existing gas taxes to be repealed?</description>
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@Andrew. That&#8217;s correct. Article 23, Section 1 of the Washington State Constitution prohibits an amendment to the constitution unless 2/3 of both the House of Representatives and the state Senate approve the amendment, and a majority of the voters in the next general election concur. See <a href="http://www.leg.wa.gov/LawsAndAgencyRules/Constitution.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.leg.wa.gov/LawsAndAgencyRules/Constitution.htm</a>.</p>
<p>So political energy should not be expended on an amendment. Rather, transit advocates should lobby the legislature to remove the sales-tax exemption for gas, as you suggest, and also oppose any new gas taxes in the future.</p>
<p>Does anyone know whether it&#8217;s too late for the existing gas taxes to be repealed?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: John Jensen</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Jensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 06:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fares are rising 75 cents from 2008-2010. Gas taxes aren&#039;t.</description>
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		<title>By: Bernie</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/19/the-gas-tax-and-the-state-constitution/#comment-40574</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 04:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>911 and EMT services is one of the popular items that gets it&#039;s own vote for a property tax levy (as opposed to KCFD which just got added because the State said it was OK). I think you&#039;ll find that heart attacks far out weigh response to traffic accidents. Having talked with a fair number of fire fighters my impression is a large number if not a majority of callouts are Nine Whine Whine calls. A classic, &quot;I have a doctors appointment and want you to take me there&quot;.

Amazing the argument on one side is that car users don&#039;t pay enough of the cost and then out of the other side of the mouth comes the suggestion gas taxes should fund transit. The sales tax is regressive but somehow the gas tax should be higher to be socially responsible. The last thing anyone would bring up is fares covering the cost.</description>
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911 and EMT services is one of the popular items that gets it&#8217;s own vote for a property tax levy (as opposed to KCFD which just got added because the State said it was OK). I think you&#8217;ll find that heart attacks far out weigh response to traffic accidents. Having talked with a fair number of fire fighters my impression is a large number if not a majority of callouts are Nine Whine Whine calls. A classic, &#8220;I have a doctors appointment and want you to take me there&#8221;.</p>
<p>Amazing the argument on one side is that car users don&#8217;t pay enough of the cost and then out of the other side of the mouth comes the suggestion gas taxes should fund transit. The sales tax is regressive but somehow the gas tax should be higher to be socially responsible. The last thing anyone would bring up is fares covering the cost.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/19/the-gas-tax-and-the-state-constitution/#comment-40573</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 04:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my building at Microsoft, there&#039;s three floors of parking underground, plus additional parking outside. There&#039;s also three floors of offices, but some of these floors are taken up with the lobby, cafeteria, atrium, conferences etc. At least in our case, there&#039;s more room for cars than employees.</description>
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In my building at Microsoft, there&#8217;s three floors of parking underground, plus additional parking outside. There&#8217;s also three floors of offices, but some of these floors are taken up with the lobby, cafeteria, atrium, conferences etc. At least in our case, there&#8217;s more room for cars than employees.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/19/the-gas-tax-and-the-state-constitution/#comment-40572</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 04:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe a constitution change takes a state-wide vote, which means it&#039;s expensive and likely to get pushed through a pretty wild campaign.</description>
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I believe a constitution change takes a state-wide vote, which means it&#8217;s expensive and likely to get pushed through a pretty wild campaign.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Zach</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/19/the-gas-tax-and-the-state-constitution/#comment-40568</link>
		<dc:creator>Zach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 04:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, and I wish that, instead of just a &quot;we need more funding&quot; argument, the powers-that-be would also show how a consistent and predictable level of funding via a stable revenue source (income) in the long run is actually cheaper than the stop-start-stop again way we&#039;ve been doing it...</description>
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I agree, and I wish that, instead of just a &#8220;we need more funding&#8221; argument, the powers-that-be would also show how a consistent and predictable level of funding via a stable revenue source (income) in the long run is actually cheaper than the stop-start-stop again way we&#8217;ve been doing it&#8230;<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: ScottH</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/19/the-gas-tax-and-the-state-constitution/#comment-40563</link>
		<dc:creator>ScottH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 03:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if another possibility could simply be to start allocating gas tax money to transit projects in spite of the apparent constitutional prohibition.  The constitution says the gas tax must be used for &quot;highway purposes.&quot;  You could make an  argument that improving transit service is a &quot;highway purpose&quot; in the sense that it can reduce the use of highways and associated maintenance costs, etc.  I believe that argument has been rejected by the state supreme court, but that decision was made a long time ago, and it could always be revisited.  

There has been talk recently of pursuing a similar strategy with the income tax--just pass it legislatively and try to get the court to overrule its prior decision on the issue.  I&#039;m not saying it would work, but it might be worth a try.</description>
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I wonder if another possibility could simply be to start allocating gas tax money to transit projects in spite of the apparent constitutional prohibition.  The constitution says the gas tax must be used for &#8220;highway purposes.&#8221;  You could make an  argument that improving transit service is a &#8220;highway purpose&#8221; in the sense that it can reduce the use of highways and associated maintenance costs, etc.  I believe that argument has been rejected by the state supreme court, but that decision was made a long time ago, and it could always be revisited.  </p>
<p>There has been talk recently of pursuing a similar strategy with the income tax&#8211;just pass it legislatively and try to get the court to overrule its prior decision on the issue.  I&#8217;m not saying it would work, but it might be worth a try.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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