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		<title>By: The Infrastructurist &#124; The Daily Dig</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/20/orders-of-magnitude-ii/#comment-50627</link>
		<dc:creator>The Infrastructurist &#124; The Daily Dig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 01:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] intensive way to get around? Seattle Transit Blog does the math and figures out that it&#8217;s bicycling, which takes 95% less energy than auto travel and less than half as much as [...]</description>
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[...] intensive way to get around? Seattle Transit Blog does the math and figures out that it&#8217;s bicycling, which takes 95% less energy than auto travel and less than half as much as [...]<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Travis</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/20/orders-of-magnitude-ii/#comment-41373</link>
		<dc:creator>Travis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d be interested in seeing graphs for equal distance trips rather than equal time. After all, walking out the door each day people have to get to the same spot--work, home, or where ever--regardless of which mode of transit they choose.</description>
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I&#8217;d be interested in seeing graphs for equal distance trips rather than equal time. After all, walking out the door each day people have to get to the same spot&#8211;work, home, or where ever&#8211;regardless of which mode of transit they choose.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/20/orders-of-magnitude-ii/#comment-41170</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Lake washington blvd is much better than many streets but that isn’t were tons of people bicycle for everyday needs.&quot;

Maybe you don&#039;t ride during commute hours, but there are more bicycles on that road when I&#039;m riding home than anywhere else on my route going South. Could be just people training for racing but it&#039;s sure nice.

Re: Photo:
  You have to be super careful crossing tracks like that when they are wet. They are almost as slick as wet leaves.

  This generation of Street cars could have been better if the city had bothered to listen to the folks who told them that Portland ran them down the middle of the street. And that was before they installed those killer tracks. I&#039;m not hopeful that they have learned anything.</description>
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&#8220;Lake washington blvd is much better than many streets but that isn’t were tons of people bicycle for everyday needs.&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe you don&#8217;t ride during commute hours, but there are more bicycles on that road when I&#8217;m riding home than anywhere else on my route going South. Could be just people training for racing but it&#8217;s sure nice.</p>
<p>Re: Photo:<br />
  You have to be super careful crossing tracks like that when they are wet. They are almost as slick as wet leaves.</p>
<p>  This generation of Street cars could have been better if the city had bothered to listen to the folks who told them that Portland ran them down the middle of the street. And that was before they installed those killer tracks. I&#8217;m not hopeful that they have learned anything.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: The Bike Pittsburgh Blog Archives &#187; The Headlines: 4.22.09</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/20/orders-of-magnitude-ii/#comment-41151</link>
		<dc:creator>The Bike Pittsburgh Blog Archives &#187; The Headlines: 4.22.09</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] How much energy is used for your mode of transportation? A comparison Seattle Transit Blog [...]</description>
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		<title>By: John Jensen</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/20/orders-of-magnitude-ii/#comment-40967</link>
		<dc:creator>John Jensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s saying that the carbon in plants and meat we eat was already in the atmosphere, so burning them doesn&#039;t change the total amount of carbon above ground. Whereas with oil, we pump that carbon from underground and it raises the carbon count.</description>
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He&#8217;s saying that the carbon in plants and meat we eat was already in the atmosphere, so burning them doesn&#8217;t change the total amount of carbon above ground. Whereas with oil, we pump that carbon from underground and it raises the carbon count.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Adam B. Parast</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/20/orders-of-magnitude-ii/#comment-40964</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam B. Parast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes but we have obestity epidemic in this counrty and regardless how many people eat more because they go for a 20 minute bicycle ride or walk. Very few i bet. </description>
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Yes but we have obestity epidemic in this counrty and regardless how many people eat more because they go for a 20 minute bicycle ride or walk. Very few i bet.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: John Jensen</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/20/orders-of-magnitude-ii/#comment-40963</link>
		<dc:creator>John Jensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure the numbers above reflect the shipping costs of food or anything like that. 5 calories / minute of walking seems to reflect simply how much energy our bodies are burning.</description>
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I&#8217;m not sure the numbers above reflect the shipping costs of food or anything like that. 5 calories / minute of walking seems to reflect simply how much energy our bodies are burning.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Adam B. Parast</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/20/orders-of-magnitude-ii/#comment-40961</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam B. Parast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bicycles and streetcars don&#039;t have to be a bad mix, just look at this picture.(http://www.flickr.com/photos/ericparker/3338999659/). This preception has been caused by poor streetcar designs (here and portland) that don&#039;t take the needs of bicyclist into account. Engineers and planners are learning and I think the next generation of streetcars will be much more bicycle supportive. It is essential that each mode supports the other mode. 

Also I don&#039;t know about you but I don&#039;t refer riding in mixed traffic. Yes it isn&#039;t bad if cars are going the same speed as bicylist but that only really happens on &quot;main street&quot; or neighborhood streets. Lake washington blvd is much better than many streets but that isn&#039;t were tons of people bicycle for everyday needs.

Contraflow bicycle lanes are great and ened to be used more often.</description>
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Bicycles and streetcars don&#8217;t have to be a bad mix, just look at this picture.(<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/ericparker/3338999659/" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/ericparker/3338999659/</a>). This preception has been caused by poor streetcar designs (here and portland) that don&#8217;t take the needs of bicyclist into account. Engineers and planners are learning and I think the next generation of streetcars will be much more bicycle supportive. It is essential that each mode supports the other mode. </p>
<p>Also I don&#8217;t know about you but I don&#8217;t refer riding in mixed traffic. Yes it isn&#8217;t bad if cars are going the same speed as bicylist but that only really happens on &#8220;main street&#8221; or neighborhood streets. Lake washington blvd is much better than many streets but that isn&#8217;t were tons of people bicycle for everyday needs.</p>
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		<title>By: cjh</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/20/orders-of-magnitude-ii/#comment-40957</link>
		<dc:creator>cjh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or shipped ANY distance (yes, even to the local farmer&#039;s market).</description>
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Or shipped ANY distance (yes, even to the local farmer&#8217;s market).<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Ben Schiendelman</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/20/orders-of-magnitude-ii/#comment-40951</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Schiendelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s an excellent point, if you&#039;re assuming the food we eat isn&#039;t grown with petrochemical fertilizers. :)</description>
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That&#8217;s an excellent point, if you&#8217;re assuming the food we eat isn&#8217;t grown with petrochemical fertilizers. :)<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Ben Schiendelman</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/20/orders-of-magnitude-ii/#comment-40950</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Schiendelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have bicycled and flown the same trip a couple of times. :) STP!</description>
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I have bicycled and flown the same trip a couple of times. :) STP!<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Ben Schiendelman</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/20/orders-of-magnitude-ii/#comment-40947</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Schiendelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The old COMET report actually showed the streetcars being much more efficient cost-wise, though. There must have been other reasons.</description>
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The old COMET report actually showed the streetcars being much more efficient cost-wise, though. There must have been other reasons.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/20/orders-of-magnitude-ii/#comment-40928</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yeah,

  The basis of this measurement is flawed. It doesn&#039;t matter how much BTU&#039;s a pedestrian or a bicycle rider consumes. They are using carbon that was just in the air only a year or less ago. And they are returning it right back. Things that burn fossil fuel are returning carbon to the system that was captured millions of years ago. The recapture rate isn&#039;t fast enough to keep up with the additional load from fossil fuel.</description>
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Oh yeah,</p>
<p>  The basis of this measurement is flawed. It doesn&#8217;t matter how much BTU&#8217;s a pedestrian or a bicycle rider consumes. They are using carbon that was just in the air only a year or less ago. And they are returning it right back. Things that burn fossil fuel are returning carbon to the system that was captured millions of years ago. The recapture rate isn&#8217;t fast enough to keep up with the additional load from fossil fuel.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/20/orders-of-magnitude-ii/#comment-40926</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bicycles and Street cars are a terrible mix. The rails are a trap for bicycle tires rendering the roads with streetcars on them non bicycle routes. Even a perpendicular crossing is risky on wet steel rails.

Street cars and Pedestrians, that&#039;s a win. I like the San Fransisco cable car version where you just let people hang onto the outside of the thing. Speeds up loading/unloading incredibly.

Bicycles and cars are fine as long as the car speeds are close to the bicycle speeds. Lake Washington Blvd works pretty well. And Eugene &amp; Berkley  with the one way except for bicycle roads are exceptionally nice for bicycles.</description>
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Bicycles and Street cars are a terrible mix. The rails are a trap for bicycle tires rendering the roads with streetcars on them non bicycle routes. Even a perpendicular crossing is risky on wet steel rails.</p>
<p>Street cars and Pedestrians, that&#8217;s a win. I like the San Fransisco cable car version where you just let people hang onto the outside of the thing. Speeds up loading/unloading incredibly.</p>
<p>Bicycles and cars are fine as long as the car speeds are close to the bicycle speeds. Lake Washington Blvd works pretty well. And Eugene &amp; Berkley  with the one way except for bicycle roads are exceptionally nice for bicycles.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: joshuadf</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/20/orders-of-magnitude-ii/#comment-40925</link>
		<dc:creator>joshuadf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This might help: &lt;a href=&quot;http://daily.sightline.org/daily_score/archive/2008/02/08/planes-trains-and-automobiles&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Planes, Trains, and Automobiles: How we estimated emissions from vehicle travel&lt;/a&gt;. 

I&#039;m all in favor of eliminating about half the bus stops--just not the ones closest to my home, work, or favorite businesses. :)</description>
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This might help: <a href="http://daily.sightline.org/daily_score/archive/2008/02/08/planes-trains-and-automobiles" rel="nofollow">Planes, Trains, and Automobiles: How we estimated emissions from vehicle travel</a>. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m all in favor of eliminating about half the bus stops&#8211;just not the ones closest to my home, work, or favorite businesses. :)<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Adam B. Parast</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/20/orders-of-magnitude-ii/#comment-40904</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam B. Parast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wanted to but I just don&#039;t have any idea of their energy demands. It is really easy with cars and buses because all I need is their MPG. I have no idea what that would be for LINK. </description>
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I wanted to but I just don&#8217;t have any idea of their energy demands. It is really easy with cars and buses because all I need is their MPG. I have no idea what that would be for LINK.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Adam B. Parast</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/20/orders-of-magnitude-ii/#comment-40903</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam B. Parast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point I was trying to make is not that one kind of transit is better than another but that transit needs to support land use patters that create walking and bicycling opportunities. There are many ways to do this but streetcars both now and in the past were how this was accomplished. Of any mode of transit streetcars are most supportive of pedestrian speed and scale environments.</description>
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The point I was trying to make is not that one kind of transit is better than another but that transit needs to support land use patters that create walking and bicycling opportunities. There are many ways to do this but streetcars both now and in the past were how this was accomplished. Of any mode of transit streetcars are most supportive of pedestrian speed and scale environments.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/20/orders-of-magnitude-ii/#comment-40886</link>
		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should add, I realize full well that one is extremely unlikely to walk or bike the same trip for which one would use a plane...but I&#039;d still be interested.</description>
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I should add, I realize full well that one is extremely unlikely to walk or bike the same trip for which one would use a plane&#8230;but I&#8217;d still be interested.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/20/orders-of-magnitude-ii/#comment-40883</link>
		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you get time...please could you extend this graph to include &quot;typical&quot; commuter rail, light rail, high-speed rail, ferryboats, and jet airplanes? Just to complete the picture.</description>
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When you get time&#8230;please could you extend this graph to include &#8220;typical&#8221; commuter rail, light rail, high-speed rail, ferryboats, and jet airplanes? Just to complete the picture.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: The Daily Dig &#187; INFRASTRUCTURIST</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/04/20/orders-of-magnitude-ii/#comment-40871</link>
		<dc:creator>The Daily Dig &#187; INFRASTRUCTURIST</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] intensive way to get around? Seattle Transit Blog does the math and figures out that it&#8217;s bicycling, which takes 95% less energy than auto travel and less than half as much as [...]</description>
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