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		<title>By: Final Decision on SE Seattle Nears - Seattle Transit Blog</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/05/07/metro-service-changes-citizen-reaction/#comment-48032</link>
		<dc:creator>Final Decision on SE Seattle Nears - Seattle Transit Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 23:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the direct connection from Asian Counseling and Referral Service (ACRS) to downtown that they so loudly clamored to maintain, while minimizing the additional costs to Metro.  Furthermore, it provides a little [...]</description>
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		<title>By: litlnemo</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/05/07/metro-service-changes-citizen-reaction/#comment-44211</link>
		<dc:creator>litlnemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 21:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Citizens, quite understandably, are really concerned about the safety of walking to and from the stations.&quot;

I admit that the distance between the Columbia City station and downtown Columbia City concerns me. It&#039;s four blocks from the station to Rainier, and then another couple blocks to the main part of CC.  I have heard that the street there has had the sidewalks improved, but it does not strike me as a friendly route in the evenings. We are hoping to be able to take Link to CC in the evenings to the Columbia City Cinema, or restaurants, but that route still is a problem, I think. Some added lighting along the route between the station and Rainier would probably help. More eyes and activity on the street would help too, but that&#039;s a pretty low-density strip at the moment (I don&#039;t know the current zoning, but it&#039;s mostly single-family housing there if I recall correctly).</description>
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&#8220;Citizens, quite understandably, are really concerned about the safety of walking to and from the stations.&#8221;</p>
<p>I admit that the distance between the Columbia City station and downtown Columbia City concerns me. It&#8217;s four blocks from the station to Rainier, and then another couple blocks to the main part of CC.  I have heard that the street there has had the sidewalks improved, but it does not strike me as a friendly route in the evenings. We are hoping to be able to take Link to CC in the evenings to the Columbia City Cinema, or restaurants, but that route still is a problem, I think. Some added lighting along the route between the station and Rainier would probably help. More eyes and activity on the street would help too, but that&#8217;s a pretty low-density strip at the moment (I don&#8217;t know the current zoning, but it&#8217;s mostly single-family housing there if I recall correctly).<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Beacon Hill Guy</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/05/07/metro-service-changes-citizen-reaction/#comment-44170</link>
		<dc:creator>Beacon Hill Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 16:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my experience, a good chunk of the people that show up at these meetings are crackpots. I attended a few of the ST meetings at Beacon Hill, hoping to take part in the process, but they turned into circuses, with a few people making spectacles of themselves: Booing, hissing, acting like children, even before anything objectionable or controversial was raised. One woman stridently demanded to know what the ST rep was  PERSONALLY going to do to &quot;guarantee her personal safety when standing on the platform of the Beacon Hill Station at 3am&quot;. How can anyone take crap like that seriously?

Honestly, I&#039;m all for totally ignoring public input. Build the damn thing, and people will adapt. That&#039;s how great systems like the Chicago El and the NYC Subway system was built. Seattle&#039;s not going to get any less dense, and people are going to use this thing, despite what the dingbats say.</description>
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In my experience, a good chunk of the people that show up at these meetings are crackpots. I attended a few of the ST meetings at Beacon Hill, hoping to take part in the process, but they turned into circuses, with a few people making spectacles of themselves: Booing, hissing, acting like children, even before anything objectionable or controversial was raised. One woman stridently demanded to know what the ST rep was  PERSONALLY going to do to &#8220;guarantee her personal safety when standing on the platform of the Beacon Hill Station at 3am&#8221;. How can anyone take crap like that seriously?</p>
<p>Honestly, I&#8217;m all for totally ignoring public input. Build the damn thing, and people will adapt. That&#8217;s how great systems like the Chicago El and the NYC Subway system was built. Seattle&#8217;s not going to get any less dense, and people are going to use this thing, despite what the dingbats say.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: joshuadf</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/05/07/metro-service-changes-citizen-reaction/#comment-44068</link>
		<dc:creator>joshuadf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 20:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This reminds me of &lt;a href=&quot;http://daily.sightline.org/daily_score/archive/2009/04/06/communities-and-agencies-struggle-with-transit-service-cuts&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a quote from Vancouver (BC) City Councilmember Gordon Price&lt;/a&gt;: 
&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;The Car and the City&quot;&gt;
People want to have access to things—services, locations, facilities. They want to stop at the health club, pick up some groceries, drop by a friend’s, and still get home from work at a reasonable hour. Most of North America has sought to provide this access through better mobility; the West End (of Vancouver) has provided it through greater proximity.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
He left a comment at Sightline: &quot;Here&#039;s an even more concise way to say it (credit to Richard Register): The shortest distance between two points is achieved by moving the points closer together.&quot;</description>
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This reminds me of <a href="http://daily.sightline.org/daily_score/archive/2009/04/06/communities-and-agencies-struggle-with-transit-service-cuts" rel="nofollow">a quote from Vancouver (BC) City Councilmember Gordon Price</a>: </p>
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People want to have access to things—services, locations, facilities. They want to stop at the health club, pick up some groceries, drop by a friend’s, and still get home from work at a reasonable hour. Most of North America has sought to provide this access through better mobility; the West End (of Vancouver) has provided it through greater proximity.
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<p>He left a comment at Sightline: &#8220;Here&#8217;s an even more concise way to say it (credit to Richard Register): The shortest distance between two points is achieved by moving the points closer together.&#8221;<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Mike Orr</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/05/07/metro-service-changes-citizen-reaction/#comment-44063</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Orr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 19:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live on Capitol Hill and walk to the laundromat, Madison Market, the library, etc.  It does take compound time to do several errands per day, and you can&#039;t go to the grocery store if you only have 30 minutes for a wash and you&#039;ve got as much as you can carry already.

In the Rainier Valley things are more spread out, so places may be 2 or 3 miles away rather than 1 mile as they are on Capitol Hill.  Thus people would need to take the bus more for daily errands.  This may be where the pressure is coming from.</description>
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I live on Capitol Hill and walk to the laundromat, Madison Market, the library, etc.  It does take compound time to do several errands per day, and you can&#8217;t go to the grocery store if you only have 30 minutes for a wash and you&#8217;ve got as much as you can carry already.</p>
<p>In the Rainier Valley things are more spread out, so places may be 2 or 3 miles away rather than 1 mile as they are on Capitol Hill.  Thus people would need to take the bus more for daily errands.  This may be where the pressure is coming from.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: eeepc</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/05/07/metro-service-changes-citizen-reaction/#comment-44027</link>
		<dc:creator>eeepc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 15:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Seattle has some dense neighbourhoods, but that doesn&#039;t matter if the stations are several miles apart. See this for example:

http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/02/27/link-station-spacing/

Link&#039;s station spacing resembles that of SF&#039;s BART,  which is used for intercity travel while the MUNI is used for moving about the city of SF itself. On a much grander scale, Paris has its RER network to connect the city with the suburbs and the metro for travelling within Paris. Link is a regional system, hence the name &quot;Link&quot; in the first place - its designed to Link the region&#039;s cities together.

We&#039;ll either need feeder system of streetcars or better, a couple &#039;Seattle only&#039; lines of grade separated transit with stations placed at walkable distances. I believe this will happen eventually, but the initial regional Link needs to be done first. We&#039;re focusing on the commuters for right now and we&#039;ll get to the life riders with much better service later.</description>
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Yes Seattle has some dense neighbourhoods, but that doesn&#8217;t matter if the stations are several miles apart. See this for example:</p>
<p><a href="http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/02/27/link-station-spacing/" rel="nofollow">http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/02/27/link-station-spacing/</a></p>
<p>Link&#8217;s station spacing resembles that of SF&#8217;s BART,  which is used for intercity travel while the MUNI is used for moving about the city of SF itself. On a much grander scale, Paris has its RER network to connect the city with the suburbs and the metro for travelling within Paris. Link is a regional system, hence the name &#8220;Link&#8221; in the first place &#8211; its designed to Link the region&#8217;s cities together.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll either need feeder system of streetcars or better, a couple &#8216;Seattle only&#8217; lines of grade separated transit with stations placed at walkable distances. I believe this will happen eventually, but the initial regional Link needs to be done first. We&#8217;re focusing on the commuters for right now and we&#8217;ll get to the life riders with much better service later.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/05/07/metro-service-changes-citizen-reaction/#comment-44011</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 11:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I take from that comment is that people who depend on transit for all their trips (or the vast majority), and don&#039;t have the &quot;I only take transit at peak times&quot; pattern, use the transit system(s) very differently than folks who only use transit for commuting twice a day.

It&#039;s the difference between a transit system that&#039;s planned for work trips, and a transit system that&#039;s designed to really allow people to live car-free.</description>
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What I take from that comment is that people who depend on transit for all their trips (or the vast majority), and don&#8217;t have the &#8220;I only take transit at peak times&#8221; pattern, use the transit system(s) very differently than folks who only use transit for commuting twice a day.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the difference between a transit system that&#8217;s planned for work trips, and a transit system that&#8217;s designed to really allow people to live car-free.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: ScottH</title>
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		<dc:creator>ScottH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 06:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aside from the &quot;experts versus the people&quot; debate, I think there is another point here if you just look at the comments at the public meeting.  A relatively small number of adversely affected riders show up to complain about eliminating the 42, and give the impression that &quot;the people&quot; are against it.  But if you do a survey of people in the neighborhood, eliminating the 42 and redeploying those service hours into other neighborhood routes is pretty popular.  So even assuming the experts don&#039;t know what they&#039;re talking about--as most commenters here seem to think--you&#039;re still left with the question of what &quot;the people&quot; want.  Do you listen to the vocal minority which is adversely affected?  Or the less vocal majority which is positively affected?</description>
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Aside from the &#8220;experts versus the people&#8221; debate, I think there is another point here if you just look at the comments at the public meeting.  A relatively small number of adversely affected riders show up to complain about eliminating the 42, and give the impression that &#8220;the people&#8221; are against it.  But if you do a survey of people in the neighborhood, eliminating the 42 and redeploying those service hours into other neighborhood routes is pretty popular.  So even assuming the experts don&#8217;t know what they&#8217;re talking about&#8211;as most commenters here seem to think&#8211;you&#8217;re still left with the question of what &#8220;the people&#8221; want.  Do you listen to the vocal minority which is adversely affected?  Or the less vocal majority which is positively affected?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: joshuadf</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/05/07/metro-service-changes-citizen-reaction/#comment-43939</link>
		<dc:creator>joshuadf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 23:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t follow you. Are you saying the bus usage of Rainer Valley is more like using a car? The speed or convenience of all the activities you list depend on how far you&#039;re going. Is the Safeway within walking distance?</description>
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I can&#8217;t follow you. Are you saying the bus usage of Rainer Valley is more like using a car? The speed or convenience of all the activities you list depend on how far you&#8217;re going. Is the Safeway within walking distance?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: alexjonlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>alexjonlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 23:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you saying that people outside of the Rainier Valley don&#039;t go to the grocery store?</description>
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		<title>By: alexjonlin</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/05/07/metro-service-changes-citizen-reaction/#comment-43925</link>
		<dc:creator>alexjonlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 22:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree. Light rail is every bit as important (and probably more important) for Seattle than for the surrounding cities. Seattle is much more dense and has much higher transit ridership than the suburbs, and any other mode that we have here is much slower than light rail, so for distances more than a mile or two, fast light rail is needed.</description>
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I disagree. Light rail is every bit as important (and probably more important) for Seattle than for the surrounding cities. Seattle is much more dense and has much higher transit ridership than the suburbs, and any other mode that we have here is much slower than light rail, so for distances more than a mile or two, fast light rail is needed.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: MJ</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/05/07/metro-service-changes-citizen-reaction/#comment-43905</link>
		<dc:creator>MJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 21:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My concern is that no one is really taking a look at interagency coordination for transit safety!  I overheard an interesting conversation with a Metro rider and a person that is a Community Outreach Coordinator for &quot;LightRailSafety&quot;.  This citizen was asking about the safety measures LightRail is going to have given the violent crime in and near the LightRail stations in the Rainier Valley and the Community Coordinator replied that they only looked after LightRailSafetySigns.  Who is the group responsible for better lighting? security guards at the stations? watching out for characters on the lightrail? taking data and information to prevent or put information together to stop crime?</description>
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My concern is that no one is really taking a look at interagency coordination for transit safety!  I overheard an interesting conversation with a Metro rider and a person that is a Community Outreach Coordinator for &#8220;LightRailSafety&#8221;.  This citizen was asking about the safety measures LightRail is going to have given the violent crime in and near the LightRail stations in the Rainier Valley and the Community Coordinator replied that they only looked after LightRailSafetySigns.  Who is the group responsible for better lighting? security guards at the stations? watching out for characters on the lightrail? taking data and information to prevent or put information together to stop crime?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Morgan Wick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Morgan Wick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 20:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t tell whether or not this is sarcastic.</description>
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		<title>By: Mickymse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mickymse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 18:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, that was one of the arguments I used to use with people regarding the Monorail Project. A citywide transportation system and Link Light Rail should really be serving two different purposes.

Sound Transit&#039;s mission isn&#039;t really to connect neighborhoods in Seattle, but to connect cities to each other. Other modes need to step in to move you ever more locally.</description>
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Well, that was one of the arguments I used to use with people regarding the Monorail Project. A citywide transportation system and Link Light Rail should really be serving two different purposes.</p>
<p>Sound Transit&#8217;s mission isn&#8217;t really to connect neighborhoods in Seattle, but to connect cities to each other. Other modes need to step in to move you ever more locally.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: pds</title>
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		<dc:creator>pds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 17:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Experts know some things, but experts can&#039;t predict how people will or won&#039;t use the services provided.  

In terms of &quot;walking a few blocks&quot; for transit, I&#039;d add this.  Most people around the Puget Sound use public transportation for commuting to work or school.  Those riders will happily walk a few blocks twice a day.  They don&#039;t have to drive on the freeways, pay for parking, etc. etc.  They drive to their nearest bus stop or park and ride, get on a bus, and everything is fantastic.  They might have a transfer along the way, but generally it&#039;s a smooth process.

In the Rainier Valley though, it doesn&#039;t work this way.  People here are making multiple round trips per day.  It&#039;s a lot of stop and go action all day long.  Walking a few blocks.  No big deal.  Walking a few blocks each way, many times a day adds huge amounts of time to commuting.  For a driver, a simple run to Safeway or QFC is a few minutes.  For someone by bus, it&#039;s significantly longer.  Add to that, picking up the kids from day care, taking them to baseball practice, and then getting home?  &quot;A few blocks&quot; over the course of the day becomes miles, and time lost in hours.

Frequency needs to be based on community needs.  It&#039;s simply *not* a one size fits all.

I remember meeting the guys who were in charge, &quot;the experts&quot;.  They might have been experts, but it certainly wasn&#039;t on commuting patterns of Rainier Valley bus riders.</description>
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<p>In terms of &#8220;walking a few blocks&#8221; for transit, I&#8217;d add this.  Most people around the Puget Sound use public transportation for commuting to work or school.  Those riders will happily walk a few blocks twice a day.  They don&#8217;t have to drive on the freeways, pay for parking, etc. etc.  They drive to their nearest bus stop or park and ride, get on a bus, and everything is fantastic.  They might have a transfer along the way, but generally it&#8217;s a smooth process.</p>
<p>In the Rainier Valley though, it doesn&#8217;t work this way.  People here are making multiple round trips per day.  It&#8217;s a lot of stop and go action all day long.  Walking a few blocks.  No big deal.  Walking a few blocks each way, many times a day adds huge amounts of time to commuting.  For a driver, a simple run to Safeway or QFC is a few minutes.  For someone by bus, it&#8217;s significantly longer.  Add to that, picking up the kids from day care, taking them to baseball practice, and then getting home?  &#8220;A few blocks&#8221; over the course of the day becomes miles, and time lost in hours.</p>
<p>Frequency needs to be based on community needs.  It&#8217;s simply *not* a one size fits all.</p>
<p>I remember meeting the guys who were in charge, &#8220;the experts&#8221;.  They might have been experts, but it certainly wasn&#8217;t on commuting patterns of Rainier Valley bus riders.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: eeepc</title>
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		<dc:creator>eeepc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 17:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s the problem I guess with combining a regional train system and a city metro. Stations are far apart to make the long trip quicker, but too far apart to really use it as a quick link between home and grocery, bar and dinner, etc. Obviously a full-on metro system is expensive and would take a long time to build though.

As time goes on and more lines are built, I&#039;d think rail would form a spine for north/south travel and busses would form a &#039;rib cage&#039; to bring people from the east and west to the stations. Within Seattle, that&#039;s really how the streetcar network should be designed. This push for one-seat rides are part of the reason why our bus system is so unintuitive and needlessly complex.</description>
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That&#8217;s the problem I guess with combining a regional train system and a city metro. Stations are far apart to make the long trip quicker, but too far apart to really use it as a quick link between home and grocery, bar and dinner, etc. Obviously a full-on metro system is expensive and would take a long time to build though.</p>
<p>As time goes on and more lines are built, I&#8217;d think rail would form a spine for north/south travel and busses would form a &#8216;rib cage&#8217; to bring people from the east and west to the stations. Within Seattle, that&#8217;s really how the streetcar network should be designed. This push for one-seat rides are part of the reason why our bus system is so unintuitive and needlessly complex.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Josef Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josef Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 17:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Experts in public policy and service become experts by listening to the public.</description>
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		<title>By: Andrew Smith</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/05/07/metro-service-changes-citizen-reaction/#comment-43846</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 16:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Experts don&#039;t always know what they are doing. See Global financial crisis, urban planning, etc.</description>
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		<title>By: bubbamike</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/05/07/metro-service-changes-citizen-reaction/#comment-43843</link>
		<dc:creator>bubbamike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 16:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Public comments are a poor way to investigate the tradeoffs in service planning, but there were some other interesting themes&lt;b&gt; Because the public just isn&#039;t as smart as service planners and they just don&#039;t get it. We all know that experts know more than the people so they should just shut up and let the EXPERTS do their thing.</description>
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<b>Public comments are a poor way to investigate the tradeoffs in service planning, but there were some other interesting themes</b><b> Because the public just isn&#8217;t as smart as service planners and they just don&#8217;t get it. We all know that experts know more than the people so they should just shut up and let the EXPERTS do their thing.<!-- google_ad_section_end --><br />
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		<title>By: Ben Schiendelman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Schiendelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 15:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe a tiny little temporary purpose. As the rail line ages, many people will pick walking to the train over taking the bus, and we&#039;ll be able to make further changes (and maybe get all day service back in some of the places where it&#039;s been lost).</description>
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Maybe a tiny little temporary purpose. As the rail line ages, many people will pick walking to the train over taking the bus, and we&#8217;ll be able to make further changes (and maybe get all day service back in some of the places where it&#8217;s been lost).<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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