Comments on: Final Decision on SE Seattle Nears http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/05/15/final-decision-on-se-seattle-nears/ Transit in the Greater Seattle Area Fri, 25 May 2012 09:05:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: The Triplett Metro Plan (VI): Conclusions - Seattle Transit Blog http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/05/15/final-decision-on-se-seattle-nears/#comment-64732 The Triplett Metro Plan (VI): Conclusions - Seattle Transit Blog Thu, 27 Aug 2009 18:55:30 +0000 http://seattletransitblog.com/?p=5230#comment-64732 [...] the other hand, those fighting for low-ridership routes (like the new 42) deploy the fallacy that an additional transfer is the same as being cut off from Metro.  All [...]
[...] the other hand, those fighting for low-ridership routes (like the new 42) deploy the fallacy that an additional transfer is the same as being cut off from Metro.  All [...]

]]> By: Route 7 Stop Consolidation - Seattle Transit Blog http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/05/15/final-decision-on-se-seattle-nears/#comment-51444 Route 7 Stop Consolidation - Seattle Transit Blog Wed, 24 Jun 2009 12:41:05 +0000 http://seattletransitblog.com/?p=5230#comment-51444 [...] Metro is gathering comments on the Route 7 stop consolidation. To accelerate the crawl that is Route 7, at all times of day, Metro wants to cut from 107 stops to 76.  Route 7 will otherwise be untouched by the sweeping Southeast Seattle service change. [...]
[...] Metro is gathering comments on the Route 7 stop consolidation. To accelerate the crawl that is Route 7, at all times of day, Metro wants to cut from 107 stops to 76.  Route 7 will otherwise be untouched by the sweeping Southeast Seattle service change. [...]

]]> By: News Roundup: 42 Days - Seattle Transit Blog http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/05/15/final-decision-on-se-seattle-nears/#comment-48675 News Roundup: 42 Days - Seattle Transit Blog Fri, 05 Jun 2009 19:02:45 +0000 http://seattletransitblog.com/?p=5230#comment-48675 [...] the 194, that most closely duplicate Central Link. The 42X will be eliminated and the 42 will be dramatically scaled back in route length, service headways, and service [...]
[...] the 194, that most closely duplicate Central Link. The 42X will be eliminated and the 42 will be dramatically scaled back in route length, service headways, and service [...]

]]> By: reality based commute http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/05/15/final-decision-on-se-seattle-nears/#comment-45902 reality based commute Tue, 19 May 2009 07:14:00 +0000 http://seattletransitblog.com/?p=5230#comment-45902 Actually, most of the hours for the 42-lite came from the Route 60, not the 9X.
Actually, most of the hours for the 42-lite came from the Route 60, not the 9X.

]]> By: geekgirl http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/05/15/final-decision-on-se-seattle-nears/#comment-45831 geekgirl Mon, 18 May 2009 22:45:52 +0000 http://seattletransitblog.com/?p=5230#comment-45831 Students will have access to rail; we've been assured that U-Passes will allow us to ride the light rail just as we can ride metro and ST buses. As for the 48, it's a mess. I'm not sure what could be done to fix both the North and South ends short of just splitting the route in two. And the north and south ridership doesn't seem to overlap much, which sadly pits us against one another. To be honest, I was looking forward to anything that would make the bus more reliable, because I'm becoming less and less comfortable waiting around the U district late at night wondering if it will ever come. I get that there's more of a problem of increased perception of crime in the U-district than increased crime, but I'm guessing that affects a lot of people who aren't as rational as I am. But I hate to see an increase in convenience and safety for me come at the expense of someone else's ability to ride the bus.
Students will have access to rail; we’ve been assured that U-Passes will allow us to ride the light rail just as we can ride metro and ST buses.

As for the 48, it’s a mess. I’m not sure what could be done to fix both the North and South ends short of just splitting the route in two. And the north and south ridership doesn’t seem to overlap much, which sadly pits us against one another. To be honest, I was looking forward to anything that would make the bus more reliable, because I’m becoming less and less comfortable waiting around the U district late at night wondering if it will ever come. I get that there’s more of a problem of increased perception of crime in the U-district than increased crime, but I’m guessing that affects a lot of people who aren’t as rational as I am.

But I hate to see an increase in convenience and safety for me come at the expense of someone else’s ability to ride the bus.

]]> By: Mike Orr http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/05/15/final-decision-on-se-seattle-nears/#comment-45824 Mike Orr Mon, 18 May 2009 21:38:46 +0000 http://seattletransitblog.com/?p=5230#comment-45824 While low service east of Rainier may be lamentable, it's not necessarily forever. When the economy improves and people get used to having a train in their neighborhood, there will be more demand and money to rectify the situation. Of course that sucks for people who have to suffer for a year or two until then, but them's the breaks.
While low service east of Rainier may be lamentable, it’s not necessarily forever. When the economy improves and people get used to having a train in their neighborhood, there will be more demand and money to rectify the situation. Of course that sucks for people who have to suffer for a year or two until then, but them’s the breaks.

]]> By: Dan http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/05/15/final-decision-on-se-seattle-nears/#comment-45730 Dan Mon, 18 May 2009 14:05:14 +0000 http://seattletransitblog.com/?p=5230#comment-45730 The likely decision today by KC Council is certainly a bad compromise. Reducing headways on the 39 is a terrible move because Seward Park, Lakewood, Hillman City, Columbia City neighborhoods will have terrible access to the Columbia City station. The staff proposal had been to provide improved E-W access on a new route 50 between our neighborhoods and light rail. Not only has that proposal gone away, but now their actually cutting the access. This at the same time that 7X and 34X existing one seat ride downtown are sliced. Double whammy. One hour headways on the local 42 that don't extend further west than MLK is hardly a balm for lost frequency on the 39. And really? They're going to cut the 9E to make the truncated infrequent 42 live? Yeesh - disappointing.
The likely decision today by KC Council is certainly a bad compromise. Reducing headways on the 39 is a terrible move because Seward Park, Lakewood, Hillman City, Columbia City neighborhoods will have terrible access to the Columbia City station.

The staff proposal had been to provide improved E-W access on a new route 50 between our neighborhoods and light rail. Not only has that proposal gone away, but now their actually cutting the access. This at the same time that 7X and 34X existing one seat ride downtown are sliced. Double whammy.

One hour headways on the local 42 that don’t extend further west than MLK is hardly a balm for lost frequency on the 39.

And really? They’re going to cut the 9E to make the truncated infrequent 42 live? Yeesh – disappointing.

]]> By: pds http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/05/15/final-decision-on-se-seattle-nears/#comment-45503 pds Sat, 16 May 2009 09:54:27 +0000 http://seattletransitblog.com/?p=5230#comment-45503 Must again point out that the 48 needs routes that go further than the McClellan Station. Just one example: The document says that they will add more afternoon buses to the 48 to help alleviate congestion from high student demand. What happens to that demand as the students head south past McClellan? Will there then also be more midday route 8? Or will students then be expected to get on rail? (Does anyone even know if students will have access to rail?) Have people been at Franklin / Rainier & MLK at the end of the school day? And they want <i>more</i> chaos at that corner? Currently people are unable to get on a bus at McClellan after school because of the high student volume. How will getting rid of the 48 help that at all? Even having all of the routes end in Columbia City (where half of the 48's end now anyway) would be a marked improvement. It also would bring people to light rail by way of moving Rainier Avenue traffic up to the light rail station. I'd also like to see how they plan on keeping route 8 running on time while running from Rainier Beach. Right now, buses coming from Rainier Beach might start out on time, but even by the time they hit McClellan, they are frequently running 5-10 minutes late. Adding the 8 is not the magic bullet transit believes it will be. :end rant:
Must again point out that the 48 needs routes that go further than the McClellan Station.

Just one example:

The document says that they will add more afternoon buses to the 48 to help alleviate congestion from high student demand.

What happens to that demand as the students head south past McClellan? Will there then also be more midday route 8? Or will students then be expected to get on rail? (Does anyone even know if students will have access to rail?)

Have people been at Franklin / Rainier & MLK at the end of the school day? And they want more chaos at that corner? Currently people are unable to get on a bus at McClellan after school because of the high student volume. How will getting rid of the 48 help that at all?

Even having all of the routes end in Columbia City (where half of the 48′s end now anyway) would be a marked improvement. It also would bring people to light rail by way of moving Rainier Avenue traffic up to the light rail station.

I’d also like to see how they plan on keeping route 8 running on time while running from Rainier Beach. Right now, buses coming from Rainier Beach might start out on time, but even by the time they hit McClellan, they are frequently running 5-10 minutes late.

Adding the 8 is not the magic bullet transit believes it will be.

:end rant:

]]>