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		<title>By: Oran</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/05/28/now-this-is-a-system-map/#comment-47631</link>
		<dc:creator>Oran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 05:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the suggestions, Kaleci.

I looked at the schedules for routes 560, 564, 565 and found that although there are 4 buses per hour, they are not spaced for 15 minute headways. The 560 departs Renton at :05 and :35 and the 564 &amp; 565 combined depart at :02 and :32.</description>
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Thanks for the suggestions, Kaleci.</p>
<p>I looked at the schedules for routes 560, 564, 565 and found that although there are 4 buses per hour, they are not spaced for 15 minute headways. The 560 departs Renton at :05 and :35 and the 564 &amp; 565 combined depart at :02 and :32.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/05/28/now-this-is-a-system-map/#comment-47580</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 17:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeez look at what I started it&#039;s a nice argument and all but how about we discuss transit here. Well bernie the the city was layed out after the creation of automobiles but if you actually look at a map of the city for the most part is layed out in a nice grid that better supports transit and walking. Cars didn&#039;t start effecting how cities were layed out until much later.</description>
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Jeez look at what I started it&#8217;s a nice argument and all but how about we discuss transit here. Well bernie the the city was layed out after the creation of automobiles but if you actually look at a map of the city for the most part is layed out in a nice grid that better supports transit and walking. Cars didn&#8217;t start effecting how cities were layed out until much later.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Squints</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/05/28/now-this-is-a-system-map/#comment-47576</link>
		<dc:creator>Squints</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 15:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>umm it revolves so doesn&#039;t that make it revolutionary?</description>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/05/28/now-this-is-a-system-map/#comment-47556</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 06:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After a year in Seoul, I have only a handful of peak commute hour taxi or bus rides from which to draw evidence.  I&#039;ve used rail for probably 90% of my trips.  After driving every day in Seattle since I was 16 (I&#039;m now 26) I know a thing or two about traffic, and Seoul traffic really isn&#039;t any worse than Seattle&#039;s.  
There was a time when I loved driving, and two of my jobs in Seattle involved driving delivery...first lumber and then pizzas.  In the end I couldn&#039;t stand getting behind the wheel; it was instant stress.  
I can&#039;t say how wonderful it&#039;s been to never once worry about traffic for a year...it&#039;s liberating financially but more importantly the stress is just gone.  I&#039;d love for future generations in Seattle and all cities to have this experience.</description>
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After a year in Seoul, I have only a handful of peak commute hour taxi or bus rides from which to draw evidence.  I&#8217;ve used rail for probably 90% of my trips.  After driving every day in Seattle since I was 16 (I&#8217;m now 26) I know a thing or two about traffic, and Seoul traffic really isn&#8217;t any worse than Seattle&#8217;s.<br />
There was a time when I loved driving, and two of my jobs in Seattle involved driving delivery&#8230;first lumber and then pizzas.  In the end I couldn&#8217;t stand getting behind the wheel; it was instant stress.<br />
I can&#8217;t say how wonderful it&#8217;s been to never once worry about traffic for a year&#8230;it&#8217;s liberating financially but more importantly the stress is just gone.  I&#8217;d love for future generations in Seattle and all cities to have this experience.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 04:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got cut off, but there are tons of those sort of towers. There&#039;s one in Seoul, one in Vancouver, etc. It&#039;s obviously not revolutionary or anything, which is why I said &quot;not so much&quot;.</description>
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I got cut off, but there are tons of those sort of towers. There&#8217;s one in Seoul, one in Vancouver, etc. It&#8217;s obviously not revolutionary or anything, which is why I said &#8220;not so much&#8221;.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Bernie</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/05/28/now-this-is-a-system-map/#comment-47542</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 03:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good question. Good old Wikipedia:
&lt;blockquote&gt;A barrel-shaped, but stationary, restaurant on Fernsehturm Stuttgart, a TV tower in Stuttgart, Germany, built in 1956, was noted as the inspiration for the idea of a revolving restaurant. A revolving restaurant on Forianturm, a TV tower in Dortmund, Germany, was brought into service in 1959. John Graham, a Seattle architect and early shopping mall pioneer, is said to be the first in the United States to design this sort of restaurant when he created La Ronde on top of an office building at the Ala Moana Shopping Center in Honolulu in 1961. Graham later also used the technology to build the revolving restaurant still in service at the top of Seattle&#039;s Space Needle. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
So, not so historic but still cool.</description>
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Good question. Good old Wikipedia:</p>
<blockquote><p>A barrel-shaped, but stationary, restaurant on Fernsehturm Stuttgart, a TV tower in Stuttgart, Germany, built in 1956, was noted as the inspiration for the idea of a revolving restaurant. A revolving restaurant on Forianturm, a TV tower in Dortmund, Germany, was brought into service in 1959. John Graham, a Seattle architect and early shopping mall pioneer, is said to be the first in the United States to design this sort of restaurant when he created La Ronde on top of an office building at the Ala Moana Shopping Center in Honolulu in 1961. Graham later also used the technology to build the revolving restaurant still in service at the top of Seattle&#8217;s Space Needle. </p></blockquote>
<p>So, not so historic but still cool.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Kaleci</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaleci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 01:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oran,
Perhaps you could consider the following suggestions:

Show Routes 560, 564, 565 between Bellevue and Renton which has four-plus buses per hour on weekdays, although it does not meet your criteria on weekends.

Show Routes 510 and 511 between downtown Seattle and Jackson Park on I-5.  Depending on what the Board decided today on the amended 2009 Service Implementation Plan (what&#039;s the news on that STB?), there could be a significant increase in service in September.  Even today, there are three buses an hour between downtown Seattle on Jackson Park on Sundays (making the park-and-ride at NE 145th Street my choice for attending a Mariner game).</description>
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Oran,<br />
Perhaps you could consider the following suggestions:</p>
<p>Show Routes 560, 564, 565 between Bellevue and Renton which has four-plus buses per hour on weekdays, although it does not meet your criteria on weekends.</p>
<p>Show Routes 510 and 511 between downtown Seattle and Jackson Park on I-5.  Depending on what the Board decided today on the amended 2009 Service Implementation Plan (what&#8217;s the news on that STB?), there could be a significant increase in service in September.  Even today, there are three buses an hour between downtown Seattle on Jackson Park on Sundays (making the park-and-ride at NE 145th Street my choice for attending a Mariner game).<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Smith</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/05/28/now-this-is-a-system-map/#comment-47530</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 00:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CN Tower


How many revolving restaurants are there?</description>
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CN Tower</p>
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		<title>By: Bernie</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/05/28/now-this-is-a-system-map/#comment-47528</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 00:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Philadelphia Hall is historic. What in Seattle is equivalent? (Don&#039;t say Denny&#039;s). Sure there maybe more Roman era buildings in north Africa than historical buildings in Seattle but that just shows how low the standard is for declaring historical status is when we have so little history.

&lt;blockquote&gt;There&#039;s been enough buildings that have copied the space needle to show that it has had some world-wide impact.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Name three. Two? I&#039;ll agree the Space Needle is something worth preserving but Worlds Fair attractions like the Awful Tower had a lot of local support for being torn down. They&#039;re now tourist attractions which have created history so that won&#039;t happen. FWIW I think the Space Needle is sort of cool and in touch with Seattle&#039;s image of a modern city. I&#039;d have been among the majority of Paris residents that wanted the Eifel tower torn down. We have pictures.</description>
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Philadelphia Hall is historic. What in Seattle is equivalent? (Don&#8217;t say Denny&#8217;s). Sure there maybe more Roman era buildings in north Africa than historical buildings in Seattle but that just shows how low the standard is for declaring historical status is when we have so little history.</p>
<blockquote><p>There&#8217;s been enough buildings that have copied the space needle to show that it has had some world-wide impact.</p></blockquote>
<p>Name three. Two? I&#8217;ll agree the Space Needle is something worth preserving but Worlds Fair attractions like the Awful Tower had a lot of local support for being torn down. They&#8217;re now tourist attractions which have created history so that won&#8217;t happen. FWIW I think the Space Needle is sort of cool and in touch with Seattle&#8217;s image of a modern city. I&#8217;d have been among the majority of Paris residents that wanted the Eifel tower torn down. We have pictures.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 23:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s been enough buildings that have copied the space needle to show that it has had some world-wide impact.</description>
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		<title>By: Andrew Smith</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/05/28/now-this-is-a-system-map/#comment-47526</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 23:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We don&#039;t have Alexander&#039;s tent, but we know where it was, &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaeronea&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Chaeronea&lt;/a&gt;. We know where the magna carta was signed. It&#039;s a historical place, but it ain&#039;t a landmark and it ain&#039;t a building. 

 Again, my point is that a building can have historical significance as a structure, and a building can have significance as a place where history was made. Those are different things. And the oldness of a building isn&#039;t always the point. Events in &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independence_Hall_(United_States) rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Philadelphia Hall&lt;/a&gt; changed the world more than events in a random roman building in North Africa, etc.

I think I&#039;ve made my point.</description>
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We don&#8217;t have Alexander&#8217;s tent, but we know where it was, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaeronea" rel="nofollow">Chaeronea</a>. We know where the magna carta was signed. It&#8217;s a historical place, but it ain&#8217;t a landmark and it ain&#8217;t a building. </p>
<p> Again, my point is that a building can have historical significance as a structure, and a building can have significance as a place where history was made. Those are different things. And the oldness of a building isn&#8217;t always the point. Events in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independence_Hall_(United_States) rel="nofollow">Philadelphia Hall</a> changed the world more than events in a random roman building in North Africa, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Lorimer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete Lorimer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 23:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A listed building in the United Kingdom is a building or other structure officially designated as being of special architectural, historical or cultural significance. It is a widely used status, applied to around half a million buildings. Further these are graded into 3 categories:

Grade I: buildings of outstanding architectural or historic interest. 
Grade II*: particularly significant buildings of more than local interest. 
Grade II: buildings of special architectural or historic interest. 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Listed_building&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wikipedia&lt;/a&gt; contains more info on the topic of historic landmarking.</description>
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A listed building in the United Kingdom is a building or other structure officially designated as being of special architectural, historical or cultural significance. It is a widely used status, applied to around half a million buildings. Further these are graded into 3 categories:</p>
<p>Grade I: buildings of outstanding architectural or historic interest.<br />
Grade II*: particularly significant buildings of more than local interest.<br />
Grade II: buildings of special architectural or historic interest. </p>
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		<title>By: Bernie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bernie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 23:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Whatever cave Osama Bin Laden planned the WTC attack has had history take place in it. Again, not an important place. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Maybe, but if you could identify Jesus tome that would certainly be historic, important and landmark.

Bell Labs, don&#039;t know. If it were a museum it might be cool. I&#039;m guessing it&#039;s been bulldozed. No great lose because the inventions live on. If you&#039;re in Spokane Valley they have a cool local museum with a working telephone switch system. I&#039;d hope they keep the model T assembly building but we have preserved umpteen thousand model T&#039;s so that&#039;s OK.

Space Needle, important to Seattle but the world? Not so much. I&#039;d put it above the hat and boot in George Town but personally, not so much. But then I think the Eifel tower is an ugly radio antenna that&#039;s more hysterically significant than historical. Obviously I&#039;m in the minority on that one.</description>
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<blockquote><p>Whatever cave Osama Bin Laden planned the WTC attack has had history take place in it. Again, not an important place. </p></blockquote>
<p>Maybe, but if you could identify Jesus tome that would certainly be historic, important and landmark.</p>
<p>Bell Labs, don&#8217;t know. If it were a museum it might be cool. I&#8217;m guessing it&#8217;s been bulldozed. No great lose because the inventions live on. If you&#8217;re in Spokane Valley they have a cool local museum with a working telephone switch system. I&#8217;d hope they keep the model T assembly building but we have preserved umpteen thousand model T&#8217;s so that&#8217;s OK.</p>
<p>Space Needle, important to Seattle but the world? Not so much. I&#8217;d put it above the hat and boot in George Town but personally, not so much. But then I think the Eifel tower is an ugly radio antenna that&#8217;s more hysterically significant than historical. Obviously I&#8217;m in the minority on that one.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Bernie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bernie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 23:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;You can say that more historical important events took place inside of Parliament and the Tower of London, but under that definition both of those are less historical than whatever tent Alexander the Great slept in outside of Chaeronea and whatever factory building the Model T assembly line was in. Even then, that’s still a handful of buildings.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, if you had Alexander&#039;s tent it would be damn significant. The factory building the Model T assembly line was in is still there in Detroit and I sure as hell hope it can be saved. That I would agree has historical significance but it ain&#039;t Westminster, Saint James, Parliament,... You seem to be forgetting what an influence the church was on civilization.</description>
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<blockquote><p>You can say that more historical important events took place inside of Parliament and the Tower of London, but under that definition both of those are less historical than whatever tent Alexander the Great slept in outside of Chaeronea and whatever factory building the Model T assembly line was in. Even then, that’s still a handful of buildings.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, if you had Alexander&#8217;s tent it would be damn significant. The factory building the Model T assembly line was in is still there in Detroit and I sure as hell hope it can be saved. That I would agree has historical significance but it ain&#8217;t Westminster, Saint James, Parliament,&#8230; You seem to be forgetting what an influence the church was on civilization.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 23:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A building that has had history take place inside of it isn&#039;t necessarily a historical landmark, nor does a building that is a historical landmark need to be something that has had historical events taken place inside.

Bell Labs are unimpressive (and unimportant) buildings that had world-changing events take place inside of them. They aren&#039;t landmarks of any sort. Whatever cave Osama Bin Laden planned the WTC attack has had history take place in it. Again, not an important place. 

Space Needle: Landmark? Yes. Historical? Not really.

Smith Tower: Landmark? Yes. Historical? Yes. 

That&#039;s how it works. It doesn&#039;t matter whether anything &quot;historical&quot; ever takes place under or in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eifel_Tower#Events rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Eifel Tower&lt;/a&gt;. It&#039;s a historical landmark.</description>
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A building that has had history take place inside of it isn&#8217;t necessarily a historical landmark, nor does a building that is a historical landmark need to be something that has had historical events taken place inside.</p>
<p>Bell Labs are unimpressive (and unimportant) buildings that had world-changing events take place inside of them. They aren&#8217;t landmarks of any sort. Whatever cave Osama Bin Laden planned the WTC attack has had history take place in it. Again, not an important place. </p>
<p>Space Needle: Landmark? Yes. Historical? Not really.</p>
<p>Smith Tower: Landmark? Yes. Historical? Yes. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s how it works. It doesn&#8217;t matter whether anything &#8220;historical&#8221; ever takes place under or in the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eifel_Tower#Events rel="nofollow">Eifel Tower</a>. It&#8217;s a historical landmark.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Bernie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bernie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 23:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;By your definition Palace of Versailles would be the most important building of the 20th century.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
News to me, the Palace of Versailles is a 20th century building?</description>
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<blockquote><p>By your definition Palace of Versailles would be the most important building of the 20th century.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Bernie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bernie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 23:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I confess that I never really put a Denny&#039;s in Ballard at the same level of significance as say Trafalgar Square. Really, the Empire State building and the Chrysler Building are cool &lt;b&gt;modern&lt;/b&gt; architecture. So is the Gerkin. The Arizona Memorial has historical significance. The White House has historical significance. England has a thousand years of history (way more if you count Stonehenge), Rome a couple of thousand, the US a couple of hundred.</description>
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Well I confess that I never really put a Denny&#8217;s in Ballard at the same level of significance as say Trafalgar Square. Really, the Empire State building and the Chrysler Building are cool <b>modern</b> architecture. So is the Gerkin. The Arizona Memorial has historical significance. The White House has historical significance. England has a thousand years of history (way more if you count Stonehenge), Rome a couple of thousand, the US a couple of hundred.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 23:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have no idea what the point of historical landmarking is, then, do you? 

Or really what &quot;landmark&quot; means at all...

There are so many important world events that happened in completely unimportant buildings, and even some that happened in new buildings. By your definition &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Versailles&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Palace of Versailles&lt;/a&gt; would be the most important building of the 20th century.</description>
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You have no idea what the point of historical landmarking is, then, do you? </p>
<p>Or really what &#8220;landmark&#8221; means at all&#8230;</p>
<p>There are so many important world events that happened in completely unimportant buildings, and even some that happened in new buildings. By your definition <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Versailles" rel="nofollow">Palace of Versailles</a> would be the most important building of the 20th century.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Bernie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bernie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 23:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Give that the fate of world affairs was decide inside the walls of &quot;the Tower&quot;, no comparison. Volumes can be written. The Chrysler Building and the Empire State are about the same historical significance as the gerkin.</description>
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Give that the fate of world affairs was decide inside the walls of &#8220;the Tower&#8221;, no comparison. Volumes can be written. The Chrysler Building and the Empire State are about the same historical significance as the gerkin.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 23:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can&#039;t be serious. You&#039;re saying that Big Ben and St. James as &lt;i&gt;buildings&lt;/i&gt; had a bigger effect on history than the Empire State Building? That&#039;s ridiculous. You can say that more historical important events took place inside of Parliament and the Tower of London, but under that definition both of those are less historical than whatever tent Alexander the Great slept in outside of Chaeronea and whatever factory building the Model T assembly line was in. Even then, that&#039;s still a handful of buildings. 

Look at Shanghai, Hong Kong, Bellevue, Seattle, etc. etc. Which building had more of an effect? Tower of London or the Empire State Building?</description>
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You can&#8217;t be serious. You&#8217;re saying that Big Ben and St. James as <i>buildings</i> had a bigger effect on history than the Empire State Building? That&#8217;s ridiculous. You can say that more historical important events took place inside of Parliament and the Tower of London, but under that definition both of those are less historical than whatever tent Alexander the Great slept in outside of Chaeronea and whatever factory building the Model T assembly line was in. Even then, that&#8217;s still a handful of buildings. </p>
<p>Look at Shanghai, Hong Kong, Bellevue, Seattle, etc. etc. Which building had more of an effect? Tower of London or the Empire State Building?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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