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	<title>Comments on: State Stimulus Spending Stiffed Transit</title>
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		<title>By: Federal Transportation Bill Moves Foward - Seattle Transit Blog</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/06/30/state-stimulus-spending-stiffed-transit/#comment-88732</link>
		<dc:creator>Federal Transportation Bill Moves Foward - Seattle Transit Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 23:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Obama administration is pursuing a staggering $50 billion in new TIGER money for a forthcoming jobs bill, and it would be good move if Congress honors this request instead of choosing to appropriate this transportation spending to the states after the unfortunate experience for transit with the stimulus. [...]</description>
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[...] The Obama administration is pursuing a staggering $50 billion in new TIGER money for a forthcoming jobs bill, and it would be good move if Congress honors this request instead of choosing to appropriate this transportation spending to the states after the unfortunate experience for transit with the stimulus. [...]<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Chris Stefan</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/06/30/state-stimulus-spending-stiffed-transit/#comment-52958</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 03:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ST&#039;s bond rating is higher than the State&#039;s. State backing wouldn&#039;t really help.</description>
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ST&#8217;s bond rating is higher than the State&#8217;s. State backing wouldn&#8217;t really help.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Ben Schiendelman</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/06/30/state-stimulus-spending-stiffed-transit/#comment-52948</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Schiendelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 03:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haugen and Marr. I have the letter if you want to see it - email me, ben@seattletransitblog.com</description>
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Haugen and Marr. I have the letter if you want to see it &#8211; email me, <a href="mailto:ben@seattletransitblog.com">ben@seattletransitblog.com</a><!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Ben Schiendelman</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/06/30/state-stimulus-spending-stiffed-transit/#comment-52946</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Schiendelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 02:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re AAA - I don&#039;t know what you want past that. Can you go higher with state backing?</description>
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We&#8217;re AAA &#8211; I don&#8217;t know what you want past that. Can you go higher with state backing?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Deb Eddy</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/06/30/state-stimulus-spending-stiffed-transit/#comment-52886</link>
		<dc:creator>Deb Eddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know that the Gov vetoed the bill, but didn&#039;t know that it was at a specific legislator&#039;s request.  It WAS local option, so the rationale for the veto eluded me.  Who requested?</description>
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I know that the Gov vetoed the bill, but didn&#8217;t know that it was at a specific legislator&#8217;s request.  It WAS local option, so the rationale for the veto eluded me.  Who requested?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Matt L</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/06/30/state-stimulus-spending-stiffed-transit/#comment-52792</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 07:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well at least in the last election his opponent was totally inexperienced and didn&#039;t really have much of a platform.

I just moved out of his district or else I&#039;d run against him in the next election.  I would lose, but at least I would call him out on his anti-transit positions.  I think it&#039;s all about reminding him that his re-election depends on satisfying his constituents, not just his campaign donors.</description>
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Well at least in the last election his opponent was totally inexperienced and didn&#8217;t really have much of a platform.</p>
<p>I just moved out of his district or else I&#8217;d run against him in the next election.  I would lose, but at least I would call him out on his anti-transit positions.  I think it&#8217;s all about reminding him that his re-election depends on satisfying his constituents, not just his campaign donors.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/06/30/state-stimulus-spending-stiffed-transit/#comment-52739</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 04:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s interesting that Chopp seems to be crazy, and far from his constituents on urban issues.  Where does his power come from?  Is it just a matter of longevity of tenure?  Or do some people like him enough to keep giving him lots of money?</description>
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It&#8217;s interesting that Chopp seems to be crazy, and far from his constituents on urban issues.  Where does his power come from?  Is it just a matter of longevity of tenure?  Or do some people like him enough to keep giving him lots of money?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/06/30/state-stimulus-spending-stiffed-transit/#comment-52697</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 00:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>200 years?? Well maybe it will last that long.. the waterfront street car lasted a whole 15 years, and the last street car line we had was about 30 years. But with a 8.+ earthquake due in this area it doesn&#039;t look over built to me.

What the state government should have provided was cover for the funding, i.e. bond guarantees. In the pre-recession days, we could have had a much better rating than we get with just the 3 county rating. It would have freed up money paid in interest for capital equipment &amp; materials.</description>
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200 years?? Well maybe it will last that long.. the waterfront street car lasted a whole 15 years, and the last street car line we had was about 30 years. But with a 8.+ earthquake due in this area it doesn&#8217;t look over built to me.</p>
<p>What the state government should have provided was cover for the funding, i.e. bond guarantees. In the pre-recession days, we could have had a much better rating than we get with just the 3 county rating. It would have freed up money paid in interest for capital equipment &amp; materials.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: geekgirl</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/06/30/state-stimulus-spending-stiffed-transit/#comment-52696</link>
		<dc:creator>geekgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 00:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, I might be persuaded to believe that the State believes in locally funded transit if the Governor (at a legislator&#039;s request) hadn&#039;t vetoed a bill that allowed local governments to fund transit. The Seattle metro area has demonstrated that it&#039;s willing to pay for good transit. One of the big problems we&#039;ve got is that the State seems to think its job is to stop us from spending our tax money to build transit we want.  That&#039;s what&#039;s ridiculous!</description>
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You know, I might be persuaded to believe that the State believes in locally funded transit if the Governor (at a legislator&#8217;s request) hadn&#8217;t vetoed a bill that allowed local governments to fund transit. The Seattle metro area has demonstrated that it&#8217;s willing to pay for good transit. One of the big problems we&#8217;ve got is that the State seems to think its job is to stop us from spending our tax money to build transit we want.  That&#8217;s what&#8217;s ridiculous!<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Ben Schiendelman</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/06/30/state-stimulus-spending-stiffed-transit/#comment-52658</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Schiendelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Next time we have to tear down a viaduct, let me know again how overbuilt Central Link is. We aren&#039;t building for 50 years here, we&#039;re building for 200. That&#039;s the best way to save money in the long run. Underbuilding just leads to having to cut service later or have trains crash into each other because maintenance becomes so expensive.

Portland has built for less density, and they&#039;re paying for it in overcrowding on the MAX already. We&#039;ve got a much larger downtown core than they do, twice the tall buildings, and we&#039;re growing faster than they are.

The state government should be providing the level of funding they do in Portland. Just because we&#039;ve chosen to spend more at the local level doesn&#039;t mean we shouldn&#039;t get state funds - it means we want it more, and want it done right, so perhaps the state should start backing us up before our legislators start seeing challengers?</description>
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Next time we have to tear down a viaduct, let me know again how overbuilt Central Link is. We aren&#8217;t building for 50 years here, we&#8217;re building for 200. That&#8217;s the best way to save money in the long run. Underbuilding just leads to having to cut service later or have trains crash into each other because maintenance becomes so expensive.</p>
<p>Portland has built for less density, and they&#8217;re paying for it in overcrowding on the MAX already. We&#8217;ve got a much larger downtown core than they do, twice the tall buildings, and we&#8217;re growing faster than they are.</p>
<p>The state government should be providing the level of funding they do in Portland. Just because we&#8217;ve chosen to spend more at the local level doesn&#8217;t mean we shouldn&#8217;t get state funds &#8211; it means we want it more, and want it done right, so perhaps the state should start backing us up before our legislators start seeing challengers?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Bradford (Brian)</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/06/30/state-stimulus-spending-stiffed-transit/#comment-52655</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Bradford (Brian)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Overbuilt refers to the level of finish that Central Link has been built to.

Behind the curve refers to the fact that we&#039;re so far behind where we need to be.  The overbuilding is a contributor to this.

If you want to know why Portland&#039;s built so much light rail and we&#039;ve built so little, go down there and look at how they construct their facilities.

Portland&#039;s MAX is built like a combination street car and interurban railroad, which is essentially what light rail is.

Central Link is built like a high-frequency metro line, saddled with claustrophobia-inducing light rail trains.  This is really no surprise, as if you take a look at Tacoma Link, it&#039;s a standard LRT line that uses streetcars!

Brian Bradford
Olympia, WA</description>
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Overbuilt refers to the level of finish that Central Link has been built to.</p>
<p>Behind the curve refers to the fact that we&#8217;re so far behind where we need to be.  The overbuilding is a contributor to this.</p>
<p>If you want to know why Portland&#8217;s built so much light rail and we&#8217;ve built so little, go down there and look at how they construct their facilities.</p>
<p>Portland&#8217;s MAX is built like a combination street car and interurban railroad, which is essentially what light rail is.</p>
<p>Central Link is built like a high-frequency metro line, saddled with claustrophobia-inducing light rail trains.  This is really no surprise, as if you take a look at Tacoma Link, it&#8217;s a standard LRT line that uses streetcars!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Stefan</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/06/30/state-stimulus-spending-stiffed-transit/#comment-52653</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The South Park bridge. I think the Beacon Hill bridge has a formal name and is on 12th Ave S.</description>
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The South Park bridge. I think the Beacon Hill bridge has a formal name and is on 12th Ave S.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/06/30/state-stimulus-spending-stiffed-transit/#comment-52650</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;we’re overbuilt and behind the curve&quot;?

Which is it? My bus the 101 is constantly jam packed even with the downturn in the economy. I&#039;m lucky to get a crush standing spot on it going home.

Light rail at a mere 14 miles of track can hardly be called &quot;overbuilt&quot;. One street car in the Lake Union area for a mere 1.5 miles of track &quot;overbuilt?&quot; Gone is the waterfront street car even though the tracks and stations are all there.</description>
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&#8220;we’re overbuilt and behind the curve&#8221;?</p>
<p>Which is it? My bus the 101 is constantly jam packed even with the downturn in the economy. I&#8217;m lucky to get a crush standing spot on it going home.</p>
<p>Light rail at a mere 14 miles of track can hardly be called &#8220;overbuilt&#8221;. One street car in the Lake Union area for a mere 1.5 miles of track &#8220;overbuilt?&#8221; Gone is the waterfront street car even though the tracks and stations are all there.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Bradford (Brian)</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/06/30/state-stimulus-spending-stiffed-transit/#comment-52639</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Bradford (Brian)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a load of utter bollocks!!!

Washington State has the best public transportation in the US.  Sure, mass transit wise we&#039;re overbuilt and behind the curve, but as for basic mobility there is no equal.

I ask to be corrected on this argument.  Tell me of another state that has the transit coverage, service quality, and reasonable fares that we do.

The fact that transit in Washington State is largely locally funded (except for redistribution of federal grants with state monies for rural and regional mobility projects) is immaterial.

The idea that a state government provides funding for a skeletal transit system while the local government shifts little or no money, is not a superior implementation to our own.

Brian Bradford
Olympia, WA</description>
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What a load of utter bollocks!!!</p>
<p>Washington State has the best public transportation in the US.  Sure, mass transit wise we&#8217;re overbuilt and behind the curve, but as for basic mobility there is no equal.</p>
<p>I ask to be corrected on this argument.  Tell me of another state that has the transit coverage, service quality, and reasonable fares that we do.</p>
<p>The fact that transit in Washington State is largely locally funded (except for redistribution of federal grants with state monies for rural and regional mobility projects) is immaterial.</p>
<p>The idea that a state government provides funding for a skeletal transit system while the local government shifts little or no money, is not a superior implementation to our own.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Orr</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/06/30/state-stimulus-spending-stiffed-transit/#comment-52632</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Orr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is that the Beacon Hill bridge or the South Park bridge?  Or is there another one?</description>
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		<title>By: Chris Stefan</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/06/30/state-stimulus-spending-stiffed-transit/#comment-52630</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh lordy ... the usual pack of idiots is commenting on that Seattle Times article.

Don&#039;t these people realize what an adverse impact shutting down the ferry system or privatizing it would have on Kitsap, Island, Jefferson, Clallam, and San Juan Counties? Sure cut off their economic and transportation lifeline, but how about we do the same to whatever counties the complainers live in?

Furthermore due to the Navy facilities in Bremerton, Bangor, Keyport, Manchester, Whidbey, and Indian Island the Federal government has a rather large interest in maintaining a majority of the State Ferry runs.</description>
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Oh lordy &#8230; the usual pack of idiots is commenting on that Seattle Times article.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t these people realize what an adverse impact shutting down the ferry system or privatizing it would have on Kitsap, Island, Jefferson, Clallam, and San Juan Counties? Sure cut off their economic and transportation lifeline, but how about we do the same to whatever counties the complainers live in?</p>
<p>Furthermore due to the Navy facilities in Bremerton, Bangor, Keyport, Manchester, Whidbey, and Indian Island the Federal government has a rather large interest in maintaining a majority of the State Ferry runs.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Chris Stefan</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/06/30/state-stimulus-spending-stiffed-transit/#comment-52626</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It doesn&#039;t help that the Speaker of the House who&#039;s supposed to represent Capitol Hill, The U District and Wallingford seems to be firmly in the pocket of the BIAW and the Washington State Asphalt Paving Association. Screw Transit! Screw Seattle! More Sprawl!

A glaring example of a project that should have gotten stimulus money is the 14th Ave South bridge. This thing is going to be closed by the engineers or fall in the water before it gets replaced. I believe it has one of the lowest condition ratings of any bridge in the country that is still open to traffic (3 out of 100).</description>
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It doesn&#8217;t help that the Speaker of the House who&#8217;s supposed to represent Capitol Hill, The U District and Wallingford seems to be firmly in the pocket of the BIAW and the Washington State Asphalt Paving Association. Screw Transit! Screw Seattle! More Sprawl!</p>
<p>A glaring example of a project that should have gotten stimulus money is the 14th Ave South bridge. This thing is going to be closed by the engineers or fall in the water before it gets replaced. I believe it has one of the lowest condition ratings of any bridge in the country that is still open to traffic (3 out of 100).<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Ben Schiendelman</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/06/30/state-stimulus-spending-stiffed-transit/#comment-52622</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Schiendelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This sucks. We could have built D to M street, we could have done pedestrian improvements, we could have added another Amtrak Cascades round trip to both employ people and improve transportation access - but no, let&#039;s build some more highways instead. Why not? We&#039;ve been doing it for a hundred years, it&#039;s a winner!

Nobody look at the seawall replacement that isn&#039;t high enough for 2100 sea level increases...</description>
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This sucks. We could have built D to M street, we could have done pedestrian improvements, we could have added another Amtrak Cascades round trip to both employ people and improve transportation access &#8211; but no, let&#8217;s build some more highways instead. Why not? We&#8217;ve been doing it for a hundred years, it&#8217;s a winner!</p>
<p>Nobody look at the seawall replacement that isn&#8217;t high enough for 2100 sea level increases&#8230;<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Ben Schiendelman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Schiendelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to mess around with it? Our legislators debated the whole thing, and chose not to fund projects like R8A in favor of 405 expansion.</description>
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		<title>By: Ben Schiendelman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Schiendelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The highways which also needed maintenance didn&#039;t exactly need expansion, as Martin points out.

So at some nebulous time in the future we may or may not fund transit, when other states saw fit to fund it here? Just goes to show you how bad our legislators are.</description>
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The highways which also needed maintenance didn&#8217;t exactly need expansion, as Martin points out.</p>
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