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		<title>By: STB Election Endorsement Recap - Seattle Transit Blog</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/07/16/hutchison-on-transportation/#comment-72216</link>
		<dc:creator>STB Election Endorsement Recap - Seattle Transit Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 13:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] answering questions about key transportation issues.  When she has gotten at all specific, the answers have been quite worrying to transit [...]</description>
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		<title>By: County Exec Roundup - Seattle Transit Blog</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/07/16/hutchison-on-transportation/#comment-59971</link>
		<dc:creator>County Exec Roundup - Seattle Transit Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 16:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that don&#8217;t really fit in the framework below, and I&#8217;ve dealt with her ideas in another post. Here&#8217;s a digest of some of the transportation-related positions taken by the five major King [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] that don&#8217;t really fit in the framework below, and I&#8217;ve dealt with her ideas in another post. Here&#8217;s a digest of some of the transportation-related positions taken by the five major King [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Why Governance Reform is a bad idea - Seattle Transit Blog</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/07/16/hutchison-on-transportation/#comment-59690</link>
		<dc:creator>Why Governance Reform is a bad idea - Seattle Transit Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 09:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Exec candidate Susan Hutchinson (and to a lesser extent Ross Hunter) have made some approving comments about governance reform.  Governance reform refers to a whole class of proposals that involves the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Martin H. Duke</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/07/16/hutchison-on-transportation/#comment-55483</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin H. Duke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 22:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, bus stops.</description>
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		<title>By: Oran</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/07/16/hutchison-on-transportation/#comment-55279</link>
		<dc:creator>Oran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 07:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The UW did this years ago with &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.its.washington.edu/transitwatch/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;TransitWatch&lt;/a&gt; displays at several transit centers and in the UW HUB. They have fallen into disrepair and don&#039;t work much of the time, now.

Sound Transit has a milestone this year for &quot;Variable message signs at Sounder south stations begin including next bus schedule information&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The UW did this years ago with <a href="http://www.its.washington.edu/transitwatch/" rel="nofollow">TransitWatch</a> displays at several transit centers and in the UW HUB. They have fallen into disrepair and don&#8217;t work much of the time, now.</p>
<p>Sound Transit has a milestone this year for &#8220;Variable message signs at Sounder south stations begin including next bus schedule information&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Oran</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/07/16/hutchison-on-transportation/#comment-55278</link>
		<dc:creator>Oran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 06:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Martin meant &lt;b&gt;bus stops&lt;/b&gt; not Link stations. Every Link station has real-time train arrival info.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Martin meant <b>bus stops</b> not Link stations. Every Link station has real-time train arrival info.</p>
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		<title>By: Corey Burger</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/07/16/hutchison-on-transportation/#comment-55274</link>
		<dc:creator>Corey Burger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both Translink (Vancouver) and Metrolinx (Toronto) recently changed from an all-elected board (of mayors and councillors of the regions cities/towns) to an all appointed one, of &quot;experts&quot;, a lot of planners and ex-business people. I can&#039;t say either of these have been a success, as all it has done is further remove these boards from the one thing that keeps officials in line: public opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both Translink (Vancouver) and Metrolinx (Toronto) recently changed from an all-elected board (of mayors and councillors of the regions cities/towns) to an all appointed one, of &#8220;experts&#8221;, a lot of planners and ex-business people. I can&#8217;t say either of these have been a success, as all it has done is further remove these boards from the one thing that keeps officials in line: public opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/07/16/hutchison-on-transportation/#comment-55273</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s too bad. The BART system had it and it was very helpful. Number of cars, destination, time of arrival at the station.  If you have a smart phone and a busview app running you can get this information for the buses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s too bad. The BART system had it and it was very helpful. Number of cars, destination, time of arrival at the station.  If you have a smart phone and a busview app running you can get this information for the buses.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/07/16/hutchison-on-transportation/#comment-55272</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The one agency idea would be a good idea if the one agency was dedicated to moving people and not cars. Typically the highway lobby wins when they have only to bribe/elect a small group of people to control the region.

But yes, this idea was cover for the folks that wanted to kill LINK and the ST2 ballot. They lost it&#039;s over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The one agency idea would be a good idea if the one agency was dedicated to moving people and not cars. Typically the highway lobby wins when they have only to bribe/elect a small group of people to control the region.</p>
<p>But yes, this idea was cover for the folks that wanted to kill LINK and the ST2 ballot. They lost it&#8217;s over.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin H. Duke</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/07/16/hutchison-on-transportation/#comment-55244</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin H. Duke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 20:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There won&#039;t be real-time signboards at every stop, of course, but there will be a centralized location tracker accessible through a website, probably like onebusaway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There won&#8217;t be real-time signboards at every stop, of course, but there will be a centralized location tracker accessible through a website, probably like onebusaway.</p>
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		<title>By: sm</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/07/16/hutchison-on-transportation/#comment-55241</link>
		<dc:creator>sm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 20:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m unclear on the bloggers posting of &quot;GPS by 2010 with Metro.&quot;  I asked Metro if they can post real-time information at the Transit Centers linking buses to lightrail.  For example, if take the Light Rail from downtown and then want to catch a bus at the Rainier Beach or Mt Baker stations, it would be helpful to have information posted realtime that says &quot;bus #xyz arrives in 4 minutes&quot;  Metro told me that this may be piloted by SoundTransit but do not Metro.  Do you know differently?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m unclear on the bloggers posting of &#8220;GPS by 2010 with Metro.&#8221;  I asked Metro if they can post real-time information at the Transit Centers linking buses to lightrail.  For example, if take the Light Rail from downtown and then want to catch a bus at the Rainier Beach or Mt Baker stations, it would be helpful to have information posted realtime that says &#8220;bus #xyz arrives in 4 minutes&#8221;  Metro told me that this may be piloted by SoundTransit but do not Metro.  Do you know differently?</p>
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		<title>By: phil on qa</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/07/16/hutchison-on-transportation/#comment-55238</link>
		<dc:creator>phil on qa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 20:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the single transportation agency idea worked so well, why isn&#039;t WSDOT running the show?  Last time I looked they are WA state&#039;s single transportation department.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the single transportation agency idea worked so well, why isn&#8217;t WSDOT running the show?  Last time I looked they are WA state&#8217;s single transportation department.</p>
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		<title>By: John Jensen</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/07/16/hutchison-on-transportation/#comment-55236</link>
		<dc:creator>John Jensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 20:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we were to have a single transportation agency, the state should have at most one appointment -- if any.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we were to have a single transportation agency, the state should have at most one appointment &#8212; if any.</p>
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		<title>By: alexjonlin</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/07/16/hutchison-on-transportation/#comment-55209</link>
		<dc:creator>alexjonlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is that despite the fact that Seattle is a large city, it and its more liberal suburbs make up less than half of Western Washington. People in Blaine and Centralia would vote down any tax increase, leaving Seattle with the same amount of bus service as Centralia. You cannot put an area with such different densities and cultures under one umbrella; you shouldn&#039;t even combine CT, KCM, and PT, because Snohomish and Pierce county have much less demand for bus service than King County. Even within King County, if Seattle had a separate bus service from the rest of the county, we would probably have much more and better service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is that despite the fact that Seattle is a large city, it and its more liberal suburbs make up less than half of Western Washington. People in Blaine and Centralia would vote down any tax increase, leaving Seattle with the same amount of bus service as Centralia. You cannot put an area with such different densities and cultures under one umbrella; you shouldn&#8217;t even combine CT, KCM, and PT, because Snohomish and Pierce county have much less demand for bus service than King County. Even within King County, if Seattle had a separate bus service from the rest of the county, we would probably have much more and better service.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/07/16/hutchison-on-transportation/#comment-55205</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;color-route system&quot;
1: Blue
2: Yellow
3: Green
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30: Light fuscha
31: Dark fuscha
32: Burnt umber (my favroite crayon color)
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1: Blue<br />
2: Yellow<br />
3: Green<br />
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30: Light fuscha<br />
31: Dark fuscha<br />
32: Burnt umber (my favroite crayon color)<br />
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		<title>By: Chris Stefan</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/07/16/hutchison-on-transportation/#comment-55192</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One issue is those who are pushing agency consolidation usually want to do one or more of the following:
1. Stop Link light rail, or at least any further expansion.
2. Use transit agency revenue for more road building (though they may sugar coat it by saying they want to spend it on HOV lanes and HOV ramps, never mind this is one of the few transit related things the gas tax can be spent on).
3. Tie transit system expansion to more taxes for road building (see roads+transit).

I&#039;d be right there with you if I thought the governance reform people were actually interested in achieving economies of scale, reducing duplication, and increasing interoperability.

The other issue with creating a super-agency is the possibility it will be seen as being out of touch with the people and cities it serves. This is a perception that lead to the Metro merger with King County. Unfortunately having the County Council as Metro&#039;s board has led to many decisions being made on a political rather than an objective basis (20/40/40 for starters).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One issue is those who are pushing agency consolidation usually want to do one or more of the following:<br />
1. Stop Link light rail, or at least any further expansion.<br />
2. Use transit agency revenue for more road building (though they may sugar coat it by saying they want to spend it on HOV lanes and HOV ramps, never mind this is one of the few transit related things the gas tax can be spent on).<br />
3. Tie transit system expansion to more taxes for road building (see roads+transit).</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be right there with you if I thought the governance reform people were actually interested in achieving economies of scale, reducing duplication, and increasing interoperability.</p>
<p>The other issue with creating a super-agency is the possibility it will be seen as being out of touch with the people and cities it serves. This is a perception that lead to the Metro merger with King County. Unfortunately having the County Council as Metro&#8217;s board has led to many decisions being made on a political rather than an objective basis (20/40/40 for starters).</p>
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		<title>By: College Hutchison on Transportation &#124; India Colleges</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/07/16/hutchison-on-transportation/#comment-55189</link>
		<dc:creator>College Hutchison on Transportation &#124; India Colleges</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] See original here: Hutchison on Transportation [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Marge</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/07/16/hutchison-on-transportation/#comment-55186</link>
		<dc:creator>Marge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Susan is simply repeating the policies of the Discovery Institute again, which has been trying and failing to establish a single transit agency for years.  The real goal of all of this was to attack Sound Transit and defeat a Phase II ballot measure to better assure that sales tax dollars were directed to roads, not transit.  Game over.

Time for a new idea.  In fact, The Regional Transportation Commission did not recommend consolidating all the transit agencies.  It punted on that despite encouragement from the Discovery Institute.  It did end up recommending a new four county directly elected government which would be tasked with exploring the idea.

The idea was so flawed, and so poorly executed by John Stanton and Slade Gorton, that it actually lost more support the more they worked on it.  Prior to their active involvement, it actually had some steam.  But it is ancient history now, because the bulk of remaining support for the idea evaporated when Sound Transit successfully captured the sales tax last fall.

Stanton and Rice wanted to share that sales tax with state highways.  And their whole plan hinged on a one percent increase in the sales tax, which seems like a belly laugh now.  Is Susan for that tax increase?  When she&#039;s already tagging Sound Transit&#039;s sales tax as &quot;enormous.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susan is simply repeating the policies of the Discovery Institute again, which has been trying and failing to establish a single transit agency for years.  The real goal of all of this was to attack Sound Transit and defeat a Phase II ballot measure to better assure that sales tax dollars were directed to roads, not transit.  Game over.</p>
<p>Time for a new idea.  In fact, The Regional Transportation Commission did not recommend consolidating all the transit agencies.  It punted on that despite encouragement from the Discovery Institute.  It did end up recommending a new four county directly elected government which would be tasked with exploring the idea.</p>
<p>The idea was so flawed, and so poorly executed by John Stanton and Slade Gorton, that it actually lost more support the more they worked on it.  Prior to their active involvement, it actually had some steam.  But it is ancient history now, because the bulk of remaining support for the idea evaporated when Sound Transit successfully captured the sales tax last fall.</p>
<p>Stanton and Rice wanted to share that sales tax with state highways.  And their whole plan hinged on a one percent increase in the sales tax, which seems like a belly laugh now.  Is Susan for that tax increase?  When she&#8217;s already tagging Sound Transit&#8217;s sales tax as &#8220;enormous.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Martin H. Duke</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/07/16/hutchison-on-transportation/#comment-55185</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin H. Duke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nathan, I think this is a terrible idea, for reasons I&#039;ll explain in a post next week.</description>
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		<title>By: Garrison Bromwell</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/07/16/hutchison-on-transportation/#comment-55179</link>
		<dc:creator>Garrison Bromwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A single transport agency?  Controlling transportation other than roads from Blaine to Vancouver west of the Cascades?  Charged with the efficient movement of people and goods?

One governing body -- fully elected, not appointed.

The power to tax, including congestion tolling.

Coordination of all transport modes -- water, air, land (bus and rail) in a single system.

First just the elimination of massive duplicate overheads of staff and management would result in a major savings.  Next the smart way to pay for things --- fixed assets (improvements to infrastructure paid out of property taxes by those who most benefit from those improvements --- the land owners), operations paid by short term financing (sales tax) --- and overhead (management) paid by a combination of sources.

Next long term area wide planning --- decide on an approach to the region&#039;s transportation needs, file a single environmental impact statement, then answer those needs.

Finally be responsive to the needs of the people of the region.  Move them and their goods as efficiently as possible and we&#039;ll all benefit.

Quit playing around -- this is a very serious long term survivability issue that needs to be answered by the region as a whole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A single transport agency?  Controlling transportation other than roads from Blaine to Vancouver west of the Cascades?  Charged with the efficient movement of people and goods?</p>
<p>One governing body &#8212; fully elected, not appointed.</p>
<p>The power to tax, including congestion tolling.</p>
<p>Coordination of all transport modes &#8212; water, air, land (bus and rail) in a single system.</p>
<p>First just the elimination of massive duplicate overheads of staff and management would result in a major savings.  Next the smart way to pay for things &#8212; fixed assets (improvements to infrastructure paid out of property taxes by those who most benefit from those improvements &#8212; the land owners), operations paid by short term financing (sales tax) &#8212; and overhead (management) paid by a combination of sources.</p>
<p>Next long term area wide planning &#8212; decide on an approach to the region&#8217;s transportation needs, file a single environmental impact statement, then answer those needs.</p>
<p>Finally be responsive to the needs of the people of the region.  Move them and their goods as efficiently as possible and we&#8217;ll all benefit.</p>
<p>Quit playing around &#8212; this is a very serious long term survivability issue that needs to be answered by the region as a whole.</p>
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