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	<title>Comments on: Greg Nickels for Mayor</title>
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		<title>By: NoNAME</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/10/greg-nickels-for-mayor/#comment-62239</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 18:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What do you mean? He is putting a housing levy on the ballot....</description>
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		<title>By: Nickels and Sound Transit 2 - Seattle Transit Blog</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/10/greg-nickels-for-mayor/#comment-62215</link>
		<dc:creator>Nickels and Sound Transit 2 - Seattle Transit Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and Sound Transit 2 by Martin H. Duke  As expected, our endorsement of Greg Nickels generated a lot of good discussion. Reasonable transit advocates can disagree on the best pick for [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Tony the Economist</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/10/greg-nickels-for-mayor/#comment-61820</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony the Economist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 23:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, seniority rules exist in labor unions because historically unions represented unskilled labor (guilds were a separate system for skilled workers). Within a unskilled factory system, there is virtually nothing an individual can do to be more &quot;productive&quot; than the next guy. 100% of productivity comes from the quality of the machines, not the skills of the workers. Thus, there is no need to offer &quot;merit pay&quot;, since merit is relatively unimportant.

Under such a system, pay differentials almost always represented favoritism on the part of management. Seniority was a way of protecting workers from arbitrary favoritism. One the the key things that would make a worker a &quot;favorite&quot; of management would be opposing the union, thus tying pay, perks and job security to tenure also protected the union itself. Unions are also based on the idea that workers rise or fall together. Merit pay puts workers in competition with each other and undermines the union concept.

The central factor that makes all of this possible is UNSKILLED labor. Within the context of unskilled labor, seniority makes all sorts of sense. Within the context of skilled labor, management, knowledge work, sales, etc. Seniority makes no sense. When skill is necessary, the individual determines their own productivity. In such a system, a company that can promote and reward its most productive workers, that company would have a competitive advantage. Seniority keeps unproductive workers / leaders in positions far longer than the should be and prevents more qualified, more productive workers / leaders from ever having the chance. The seniority system is a vestige of the past that has no place in the 21st century knowledge economy and it certainly has no place in elected leadership.

While I am hesitant about term limits, frankly, if you can&#039;t achieve significant results in 10 years, you&#039;re a lousy politician.</description>
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Yes, seniority rules exist in labor unions because historically unions represented unskilled labor (guilds were a separate system for skilled workers). Within a unskilled factory system, there is virtually nothing an individual can do to be more &#8220;productive&#8221; than the next guy. 100% of productivity comes from the quality of the machines, not the skills of the workers. Thus, there is no need to offer &#8220;merit pay&#8221;, since merit is relatively unimportant.</p>
<p>Under such a system, pay differentials almost always represented favoritism on the part of management. Seniority was a way of protecting workers from arbitrary favoritism. One the the key things that would make a worker a &#8220;favorite&#8221; of management would be opposing the union, thus tying pay, perks and job security to tenure also protected the union itself. Unions are also based on the idea that workers rise or fall together. Merit pay puts workers in competition with each other and undermines the union concept.</p>
<p>The central factor that makes all of this possible is UNSKILLED labor. Within the context of unskilled labor, seniority makes all sorts of sense. Within the context of skilled labor, management, knowledge work, sales, etc. Seniority makes no sense. When skill is necessary, the individual determines their own productivity. In such a system, a company that can promote and reward its most productive workers, that company would have a competitive advantage. Seniority keeps unproductive workers / leaders in positions far longer than the should be and prevents more qualified, more productive workers / leaders from ever having the chance. The seniority system is a vestige of the past that has no place in the 21st century knowledge economy and it certainly has no place in elected leadership.</p>
<p>While I am hesitant about term limits, frankly, if you can&#8217;t achieve significant results in 10 years, you&#8217;re a lousy politician.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Bill LaBorde</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/10/greg-nickels-for-mayor/#comment-61673</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill LaBorde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 05:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s fine that he&#039;s from outside the political establishment.  But, he should at least have a record of civic engagement - involvement with a school bond campaign, leading a neighborhood council, working on his neighborhood plan, organizing neighbors to keep something bad from getting built, or getting something good built, etc., etc.  Something, anything.  Just because you have a lot of money, even if you also have good ideas, doesn&#039;t make you qualified to run a government.</description>
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It&#8217;s fine that he&#8217;s from outside the political establishment.  But, he should at least have a record of civic engagement &#8211; involvement with a school bond campaign, leading a neighborhood council, working on his neighborhood plan, organizing neighbors to keep something bad from getting built, or getting something good built, etc., etc.  Something, anything.  Just because you have a lot of money, even if you also have good ideas, doesn&#8217;t make you qualified to run a government.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Multimodal Man</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/10/greg-nickels-for-mayor/#comment-61667</link>
		<dc:creator>Multimodal Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 04:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I consider this an obtuse response. We use hydropower to cook the burrito on an electric stove and diesel to run the farming equipment. We inhibit the Salmon&#039;s progress to their historic spawning beds with hydroelectric dams and grow corn to make ethanol to power cars. Simply because the energy in the beans in your burrito comes more from the sun (we can use the same plot of land to place solar panels) and not from overhead catenary lines doesn&#039;t mean that they aren&#039;t related. Choosing to use human-powered transportation where feasible means that mass transit can be appropriately to trips where it is *relatively* energy efficient over other reasonable alternatives. But the fact is mass transit is not always the most reasonable alternative; it is not *always the best* mode.</description>
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I consider this an obtuse response. We use hydropower to cook the burrito on an electric stove and diesel to run the farming equipment. We inhibit the Salmon&#8217;s progress to their historic spawning beds with hydroelectric dams and grow corn to make ethanol to power cars. Simply because the energy in the beans in your burrito comes more from the sun (we can use the same plot of land to place solar panels) and not from overhead catenary lines doesn&#8217;t mean that they aren&#8217;t related. Choosing to use human-powered transportation where feasible means that mass transit can be appropriately to trips where it is *relatively* energy efficient over other reasonable alternatives. But the fact is mass transit is not always the most reasonable alternative; it is not *always the best* mode.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/10/greg-nickels-for-mayor/#comment-61630</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But when I bike to work I can&#039;t use hydropower, and when I take Link it doesn&#039;t eat burritos. Comparing the energy used between these two modes seems kinda weird.</description>
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But when I bike to work I can&#8217;t use hydropower, and when I take Link it doesn&#8217;t eat burritos. Comparing the energy used between these two modes seems kinda weird.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/10/greg-nickels-for-mayor/#comment-61627</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Should someone who not only grew up here but also now teaches in Seattle Public Schools have a right to live inside the city limits?</description>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/10/greg-nickels-for-mayor/#comment-61626</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I seriously doubt you could transport people efficiently with a rickshaw. Do you really mean a pedicab?</description>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/10/greg-nickels-for-mayor/#comment-61625</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s stopping you from extending an invitation? He&#039;s just the mayor; he can&#039;t read your mind.</description>
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What&#8217;s stopping you from extending an invitation? He&#8217;s just the mayor; he can&#8217;t read your mind.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Stefan</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/10/greg-nickels-for-mayor/#comment-61599</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is true riding the Waterfront streetcar was an end in itself whereas I don&#039;t think many are looking to ride the 99 bus because it&#039;s got a fancy wrap on it.

However this is beside the point. Via any number of real-world examples as well as a number of studies it has been shown choice riders prefer rail. You can tart up the bus all you want but at the end of the day it is nothing more than a fancy bus.

Similarly rail attracts development in ways bus lines don&#039;t. Even electric trolleybuses don&#039;t spur development in the same way as rail does. The Ballard to Fremont corridor is prime for some Pearl District like TOD.</description>
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It is true riding the Waterfront streetcar was an end in itself whereas I don&#8217;t think many are looking to ride the 99 bus because it&#8217;s got a fancy wrap on it.</p>
<p>However this is beside the point. Via any number of real-world examples as well as a number of studies it has been shown choice riders prefer rail. You can tart up the bus all you want but at the end of the day it is nothing more than a fancy bus.</p>
<p>Similarly rail attracts development in ways bus lines don&#8217;t. Even electric trolleybuses don&#8217;t spur development in the same way as rail does. The Ballard to Fremont corridor is prime for some Pearl District like TOD.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: MarkS</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/10/greg-nickels-for-mayor/#comment-61594</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points, John.

It&#039;s also useful to keep in mind that most transit opponents around here seem to embrace buses.  So, there is usually little to fight about when a bus plan comes up for a vote...</description>
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Good points, John.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also useful to keep in mind that most transit opponents around here seem to embrace buses.  So, there is usually little to fight about when a bus plan comes up for a vote&#8230;<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: MarkS</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/10/greg-nickels-for-mayor/#comment-61592</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bicycles as mass transit?

Please, multimodal man.  Get serious.</description>
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Bicycles as mass transit?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Welch</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/10/greg-nickels-for-mayor/#comment-61584</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Welch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt; the free 99 bus gets hardly any riders but the pay waterfront streetcar was full during daylight hours in the summer&lt;/b&gt;

Unfair comparison, as the waterfront streetcar was a tourist attraction and destination all its own.  I support bringing it back, but as just that, and a way to get down the waterfront to other tourist attractiongs.  If you want to import a few century old Aussie streetcars to go from Ballard to Fremont in a simliar vein I&#039;ll listen, but I can&#039;t buy the argument that having a streetcar line to replace the 46 or other flexible road-based bus or trolley bus lines makes good economic or practical sense.

At any rate, I think the &quot;buses don&#039;t run on Saturday but streetcars do&quot; argument is pretty well toast.</description>
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<b> the free 99 bus gets hardly any riders but the pay waterfront streetcar was full during daylight hours in the summer</b></p>
<p>Unfair comparison, as the waterfront streetcar was a tourist attraction and destination all its own.  I support bringing it back, but as just that, and a way to get down the waterfront to other tourist attractiongs.  If you want to import a few century old Aussie streetcars to go from Ballard to Fremont in a simliar vein I&#8217;ll listen, but I can&#8217;t buy the argument that having a streetcar line to replace the 46 or other flexible road-based bus or trolley bus lines makes good economic or practical sense.</p>
<p>At any rate, I think the &#8220;buses don&#8217;t run on Saturday but streetcars do&#8221; argument is pretty well toast.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: marcus</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/10/greg-nickels-for-mayor/#comment-61543</link>
		<dc:creator>marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New SR99 Waterfront Video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3VmKcWCH-4</description>
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		<title>By: Chris Stefan</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/10/greg-nickels-for-mayor/#comment-61541</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any time you get a large group of people together you are going to have politics.

There are other ways of organizing a legislature but they come with their own flaws. For example without experienced hands in the elected seats the legislative staff ends up running things since they are the only ones who understand the system.

As for unions, seniority rules exist for a reason. They may not be appropriate to all job classifications or all industries. Even then any union contract was agreed to by the union membership and the management of the unionized workplace in question.</description>
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Any time you get a large group of people together you are going to have politics.</p>
<p>There are other ways of organizing a legislature but they come with their own flaws. For example without experienced hands in the elected seats the legislative staff ends up running things since they are the only ones who understand the system.</p>
<p>As for unions, seniority rules exist for a reason. They may not be appropriate to all job classifications or all industries. Even then any union contract was agreed to by the union membership and the management of the unionized workplace in question.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Chris Stefan</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/10/greg-nickels-for-mayor/#comment-61540</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Silly me I voted for the monorail every time it was on the ballot. I really drank the kool-aid. Though I was never anti-light rail or anti-streetcar.

Only looking back do I now realize what a flawed project the monorail was.</description>
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Silly me I voted for the monorail every time it was on the ballot. I really drank the kool-aid. Though I was never anti-light rail or anti-streetcar.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Stefan</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/10/greg-nickels-for-mayor/#comment-61539</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Also this is a safety issue; with each extra year we leave the viaduct up, we have more of a chance of it collapsing in a catastrophic earthquake.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So do what should have been done in 2001 and close the viaduct and start tearing it down. The thing is unsafe and nobody should be allowed on or near the thing. Politics is the only reason the road is still open.

We&#039;re dealing with an unsafe structure, there is no need to have a replacement plan in place before closing and removing it.</description>
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<blockquote><p>Also this is a safety issue; with each extra year we leave the viaduct up, we have more of a chance of it collapsing in a catastrophic earthquake.</p></blockquote>
<p>So do what should have been done in 2001 and close the viaduct and start tearing it down. The thing is unsafe and nobody should be allowed on or near the thing. Politics is the only reason the road is still open.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Stefan</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/10/greg-nickels-for-mayor/#comment-61538</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The tunnel can still be killed during the EIS process. Remember they haven&#039;t even started that yet. Then there is the question of cost overruns, with only 2% of the engineering done we really don&#039;t have a good handle on how much this thing will cost. If the overruns are much more than a few million the City is going to balk on paying. Then there is always the chance that tribal artifacts will be found during construction which has the potential to scuttle the project entirely. Especially if WSDOT behaves as it did on the Port Angeles graving dock project.

It ain&#039;t a done deal, not by a longshot.</description>
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The tunnel can still be killed during the EIS process. Remember they haven&#8217;t even started that yet. Then there is the question of cost overruns, with only 2% of the engineering done we really don&#8217;t have a good handle on how much this thing will cost. If the overruns are much more than a few million the City is going to balk on paying. Then there is always the chance that tribal artifacts will be found during construction which has the potential to scuttle the project entirely. Especially if WSDOT behaves as it did on the Port Angeles graving dock project.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Stefan</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/10/greg-nickels-for-mayor/#comment-61537</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slade Gorton defeated Warren Magnuson in 1980, he was defeated by Brock Adams in 1986, he ran for Dan Evans&#039; open seat in 1988, he was re-elected in 1994, and was defeated by Maria Cantwell in 2000. So he did indeed serve a total of 18 years in the Senate.

While he ultimately decided to retire, Patty Murray launched a primary challenge to Sen. Brock Adams at least in part over the sex scandals he was involved in. At the time she was seen as a huge long-shot, but as they say the rest is history. BTW expect her to either end up as Majority Leader or Chair of the Appropriations Committee.</description>
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Slade Gorton defeated Warren Magnuson in 1980, he was defeated by Brock Adams in 1986, he ran for Dan Evans&#8217; open seat in 1988, he was re-elected in 1994, and was defeated by Maria Cantwell in 2000. So he did indeed serve a total of 18 years in the Senate.</p>
<p>While he ultimately decided to retire, Patty Murray launched a primary challenge to Sen. Brock Adams at least in part over the sex scandals he was involved in. At the time she was seen as a huge long-shot, but as they say the rest is history. BTW expect her to either end up as Majority Leader or Chair of the Appropriations Committee.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Chris Stefan</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/10/greg-nickels-for-mayor/#comment-61534</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 13:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Are streetcars made of magic?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Actually they are in at least two key factors:
1. Choice riders strongly prefer rail. Any number of studies have shown this again and again. We have an example here in Seattle where the free 99 bus gets hardly any riders but the pay waterfront streetcar was full during daylight hours in the summer.
2. Rail spurs development in ways bus lines, even BRT and trolley buses, don&#039;t.

There is also the ability of rail to carry more passengers per operator. Generally rail also tends to &quot;bunch&quot; less when operating on short headways. Rail vehicles last 3 to 4 times as long as buses (yes even trolley buses).</description>
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<blockquote><p>Are streetcars made of magic?</p></blockquote>
<p>Actually they are in at least two key factors:<br />
1. Choice riders strongly prefer rail. Any number of studies have shown this again and again. We have an example here in Seattle where the free 99 bus gets hardly any riders but the pay waterfront streetcar was full during daylight hours in the summer.<br />
2. Rail spurs development in ways bus lines, even BRT and trolley buses, don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>There is also the ability of rail to carry more passengers per operator. Generally rail also tends to &#8220;bunch&#8221; less when operating on short headways. Rail vehicles last 3 to 4 times as long as buses (yes even trolley buses).<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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