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	<title>Comments on: Sunday Open Thread</title>
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		<title>By: Christopher Stefan</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/16/sunday-open-thread-6/#comment-62978</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 21:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frankly you&#039;d think the various municipalities in the area would see the revenue enhancement opportunities in vigorously enforcing parking regulations, particularly idiots who do things like park in transit zones.</description>
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Frankly you&#8217;d think the various municipalities in the area would see the revenue enhancement opportunities in vigorously enforcing parking regulations, particularly idiots who do things like park in transit zones.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Kenneth Parker</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/16/sunday-open-thread-6/#comment-62945</link>
		<dc:creator>Kenneth Parker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s just counter productive.  

Drivers issue parking tickets for cars in bus only locations is a far better solution.  Put a digicam in the bus and set the fine higher than a paint job.</description>
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That&#8217;s just counter productive.  </p>
<p>Drivers issue parking tickets for cars in bus only locations is a far better solution.  Put a digicam in the bus and set the fine higher than a paint job.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Mike F</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/16/sunday-open-thread-6/#comment-62825</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 05:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I ran into a bizarre situation on the #15 in Ballard today, and I&#039;m wondering if anybody can tell me if what allegedly occurred is even possible.

I tapped my ORCA card, got a transfer message, a green light, and the “you&#039;ve passed” beep. But the driver demanded I tap my card two more times – creating a passback both times – even though I told him the transfer was approved. The driver &lt;em&gt;repeatedly&lt;/em&gt; (and very loudly) insisted the original tap showed a passback on his console, and seemed determined to make an example of me (or something – who knows with these guys). I checked the transaction when I returned home, and it showed a properly processed transfer, just as I knew it would.

So, while it seems as unlikely as snow in Seattle in August, is it technically possible for a tap to clear on the card processor, but show up as something else entirely on the driver console?</description>
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I ran into a bizarre situation on the #15 in Ballard today, and I&#8217;m wondering if anybody can tell me if what allegedly occurred is even possible.</p>
<p>I tapped my ORCA card, got a transfer message, a green light, and the “you&#8217;ve passed” beep. But the driver demanded I tap my card two more times – creating a passback both times – even though I told him the transfer was approved. The driver <em>repeatedly</em> (and very loudly) insisted the original tap showed a passback on his console, and seemed determined to make an example of me (or something – who knows with these guys). I checked the transaction when I returned home, and it showed a properly processed transfer, just as I knew it would.</p>
<p>So, while it seems as unlikely as snow in Seattle in August, is it technically possible for a tap to clear on the card processor, but show up as something else entirely on the driver console?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: bob</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/16/sunday-open-thread-6/#comment-62819</link>
		<dc:creator>bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 04:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why is there no link to hugeasscity on the blogroll anymore?</description>
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		<title>By: crk on bellevue ave</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/16/sunday-open-thread-6/#comment-62807</link>
		<dc:creator>crk on bellevue ave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 03:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too share your dissapointment, but I think they&#039;ll iron it out.  I agree... for all the money we spent on that thing, it better damn well never stop on MLK.

It does amuse me though--if you are a car driving next to the train, you pretty much have a straight shot all the way down MLK with zero red lights.</description>
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I too share your dissapointment, but I think they&#8217;ll iron it out.  I agree&#8230; for all the money we spent on that thing, it better damn well never stop on MLK.</p>
<p>It does amuse me though&#8211;if you are a car driving next to the train, you pretty much have a straight shot all the way down MLK with zero red lights.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Lloyd</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/16/sunday-open-thread-6/#comment-62715</link>
		<dc:creator>Lloyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For anyone visiting New York a visit to the High Line is a must.  I&#039;ve walked the park twice in different weather conditions, and it is amazing how it seems as though you are in a very different park depending on the weather.  Be sure to donate, and be sure to visit on a week day - at the weekends it gets mobbed.</description>
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For anyone visiting New York a visit to the High Line is a must.  I&#8217;ve walked the park twice in different weather conditions, and it is amazing how it seems as though you are in a very different park depending on the weather.  Be sure to donate, and be sure to visit on a week day &#8211; at the weekends it gets mobbed.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Mike F</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/16/sunday-open-thread-6/#comment-62714</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &lt;em&gt;New York Times&lt;/em&gt; has published a fun op/ed on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thehighline.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;High Line&lt;/a&gt;: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/17/opinion/17mon4.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&#039;What&#039;s That Weird Purple Thing?&#039;&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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The <em>New York Times</em> has published a fun op/ed on the <a href="http://www.thehighline.org/" rel="nofollow">High Line</a>: <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/17/opinion/17mon4.html" rel="nofollow">&#8216;What&#8217;s That Weird Purple Thing?&#8217;</a>.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: aw</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/16/sunday-open-thread-6/#comment-62695</link>
		<dc:creator>aw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe the plan for intercity buses at King Street Station was to use the upper level plaza accessible via S. Jackson.  Redevelopment of the Qwest north lot shouldn&#039;t impact that.</description>
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I believe the plan for intercity buses at King Street Station was to use the upper level plaza accessible via S. Jackson.  Redevelopment of the Qwest north lot shouldn&#8217;t impact that.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/16/sunday-open-thread-6/#comment-62678</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 12:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been wondering about the plans to move the intercity buses to King Street also.  With plans to develop the adjacent part of the &#039;North Lot&#039; next to Qwest Field moving forward, a really good opportunity may be slipping away.</description>
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I&#8217;ve been wondering about the plans to move the intercity buses to King Street also.  With plans to develop the adjacent part of the &#8216;North Lot&#8217; next to Qwest Field moving forward, a really good opportunity may be slipping away.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/16/sunday-open-thread-6/#comment-62676</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 12:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand they&#039;re waiting for the King County odor control project to finish up so they have a place for a temporary station while the interior work is being done.  Maybe this fall?</description>
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I understand they&#8217;re waiting for the King County odor control project to finish up so they have a place for a temporary station while the interior work is being done.  Maybe this fall?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Chris Stefan</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/16/sunday-open-thread-6/#comment-62647</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 06:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I keep hearing discussion of putting an inter-city bus terminal at King Street Station. I don&#039;t know of any concrete plans though.

BTW the Seattle Greyhound station used to be the Seattle terminal for the Seattle to Everett interurban as well as for the bus lines operated by Puget Sound Power, Light, &amp; Traction (later spun off then bought by Greyhound).</description>
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I keep hearing discussion of putting an inter-city bus terminal at King Street Station. I don&#8217;t know of any concrete plans though.</p>
<p>BTW the Seattle Greyhound station used to be the Seattle terminal for the Seattle to Everett interurban as well as for the bus lines operated by Puget Sound Power, Light, &amp; Traction (later spun off then bought by Greyhound).<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: VeloBusDriver</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/16/sunday-open-thread-6/#comment-62642</link>
		<dc:creator>VeloBusDriver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 04:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m usually driving an artic downtown so I always wrap the bus around any illegally parked cars to block them.  Metro dictates Safety first and I&#039;m happy to oblige.  

I had one route that went through downtown right as the restrictions were about to start.  Back then, I remember at least once a week seeing 2 or 3 tow trucks waiting behind one or two parking enforcement officers ready to head up the line.  I remember being late one time and having the pleasure of seeing 2 cars hooked up to tow trucks.  If Seattle ever offers a part-time PEO position, I&#039;m there.</description>
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I&#8217;m usually driving an artic downtown so I always wrap the bus around any illegally parked cars to block them.  Metro dictates Safety first and I&#8217;m happy to oblige.  </p>
<p>I had one route that went through downtown right as the restrictions were about to start.  Back then, I remember at least once a week seeing 2 or 3 tow trucks waiting behind one or two parking enforcement officers ready to head up the line.  I remember being late one time and having the pleasure of seeing 2 cars hooked up to tow trucks.  If Seattle ever offers a part-time PEO position, I&#8217;m there.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: poncho</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/16/sunday-open-thread-6/#comment-62637</link>
		<dc:creator>poncho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 04:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what about moving greyhound and other inter city bus lines to a reconfigured convention center station? you know greyhound would like to sell off their downtown station.</description>
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what about moving greyhound and other inter city bus lines to a reconfigured convention center station? you know greyhound would like to sell off their downtown station.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Garrison Bromwell</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/16/sunday-open-thread-6/#comment-62633</link>
		<dc:creator>Garrison Bromwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 04:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Solution for bus zone parking?

Equip buses with forward facing cameras like a red light camera, take a picture of the car date and time stamped and then send them a $124 ticket.  Actually the ticket should be for $124 x the number of passengers on the bus that the dumb sh*t held up but that might be a tad extreme.

I like the trolley bus driver who blocked the drive in with the front and back doors, reminded me of an incident in SF years ago where I witnessed a fire truck break the two back windows of a car, lay a 6&quot; hydrant hose through the car to the fire hydrant he had blocked and a few minutes later the cops laid a ticket on his windshield.  Justice served.</description>
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Solution for bus zone parking?</p>
<p>Equip buses with forward facing cameras like a red light camera, take a picture of the car date and time stamped and then send them a $124 ticket.  Actually the ticket should be for $124 x the number of passengers on the bus that the dumb sh*t held up but that might be a tad extreme.</p>
<p>I like the trolley bus driver who blocked the drive in with the front and back doors, reminded me of an incident in SF years ago where I witnessed a fire truck break the two back windows of a car, lay a 6&#8243; hydrant hose through the car to the fire hydrant he had blocked and a few minutes later the cops laid a ticket on his windshield.  Justice served.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Mike Skehan</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/16/sunday-open-thread-6/#comment-62630</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Skehan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 03:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I drove trolleys it was a total waste of everyone’s time to call a blocked zone in for enforcement.
Instead, I just positioned the bus to block traffic AND the parked car, and let folks on and off with me standing at the front door on the street.
IF the driver showed up, they were already in the penalty box, so they got to sit there for an extra 2 minutes to think about it.
I have no idea if that made an impact, but my passengers almost always thanked me for not letting the offender off Scott free.
BTW, that&#039;s not in the book.</description>
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When I drove trolleys it was a total waste of everyone’s time to call a blocked zone in for enforcement.<br />
Instead, I just positioned the bus to block traffic AND the parked car, and let folks on and off with me standing at the front door on the street.<br />
IF the driver showed up, they were already in the penalty box, so they got to sit there for an extra 2 minutes to think about it.<br />
I have no idea if that made an impact, but my passengers almost always thanked me for not letting the offender off Scott free.<br />
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/16/sunday-open-thread-6/#comment-62629</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 03:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you see a car parked in the bus zone, call Seattle PD Parking Enforcement (206) 625-5011.  Once they arrive on scene, they can issue a citation in under a minute!  They&#039;ll call for a tow, and one of their contracted companies will be all too happy to oblige!  Watch those guys weekdays during peak.  They get all too excited a few minutes before the restrictions start.  Sometimes they&#039;ll even lift them up a few minutes before.</description>
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If you see a car parked in the bus zone, call Seattle PD Parking Enforcement (206) 625-5011.  Once they arrive on scene, they can issue a citation in under a minute!  They&#8217;ll call for a tow, and one of their contracted companies will be all too happy to oblige!  Watch those guys weekdays during peak.  They get all too excited a few minutes before the restrictions start.  Sometimes they&#8217;ll even lift them up a few minutes before.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 03:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>UW station will be a center platform station.</description>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 03:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the VERY informative response.  Since the system was tested for several weeks prior to opening, I would expect that the signal system would have been thoroughly vetted.  Further, I&#039;ve not heard any indication from ST or in the local media about their plans with regard to signal priority, so I would be interested in knowing if this is on their radar or whether they&#039;re happy with the status quo.</description>
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Thank you for the VERY informative response.  Since the system was tested for several weeks prior to opening, I would expect that the signal system would have been thoroughly vetted.  Further, I&#8217;ve not heard any indication from ST or in the local media about their plans with regard to signal priority, so I would be interested in knowing if this is on their radar or whether they&#8217;re happy with the status quo.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: aw</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/16/sunday-open-thread-6/#comment-62622</link>
		<dc:creator>aw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 03:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could be wrong about turning trains at UW station.  I think I got that impression from some other post I read here a few months ago.

Will Northgate station be open when East Link starts service?  Would it be possible that a short segment of East Link incluing say, Rainier Ave., Mercer Island and South Bellevue P&amp;R would open before the full line?</description>
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I could be wrong about turning trains at UW station.  I think I got that impression from some other post I read here a few months ago.</p>
<p>Will Northgate station be open when East Link starts service?  Would it be possible that a short segment of East Link incluing say, Rainier Ave., Mercer Island and South Bellevue P&amp;R would open before the full line?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Erik G.</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/16/sunday-open-thread-6/#comment-62618</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 02:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or a large twig could find its way into the inside of one of the Schrader valves...now that would be a pity.</description>
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Or a large twig could find its way into the inside of one of the Schrader valves&#8230;now that would be a pity.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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