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	<title>Comments on: Erica Barnett on the 7</title>
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		<title>By: Martin H. Duke</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/24/erica-barnett-on-the-7/#comment-64422</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin H. Duke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 17:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was on the Metro sounding board for those changes, and the assertion that Metro ever planned to cut trips on Route 7 is simply not true.

Route 7X is a different story, as it should be.</description>
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I was on the Metro sounding board for those changes, and the assertion that Metro ever planned to cut trips on Route 7 is simply not true.</p>
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		<title>By: serial catowner</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/24/erica-barnett-on-the-7/#comment-64398</link>
		<dc:creator>serial catowner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 16:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I believe this went down in the 60s.  The city bus authority decided diesels had become strong enough to handle most of our hills.  The wire was old, and they decided to take down the wire and convert the ETBs to diesel routes.  To do this they had to change some of the routes to use less steep hills.

The people living on the routes were angry, and the people who would have new diesel bus routes running past them were angry.  Seattle&#039;s professional engineers did a study and found the ETBs were cheaper and quicker than the diesels, even on the steeper routes.  The agency still refused to save the ETB routes.

So an initiative was taken to the people and passed, forcing the agency to rebuild the electric lines and maintain the service.  You see, your &lt;i&gt;very old&lt;/i&gt; Seattleites can remember when venal politics ruled Seattle, and good things only happened when citizens &lt;i&gt;made&lt;/i&gt; them happen.

I don&#039;t believe &#039;venal politics&#039; play any role in the current threat to the ETBs.  I&#039;ll be posting shortly at Orphan Road about the organizational and social dynamics that do threaten the ETBs today.</description>
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Actually, I believe this went down in the 60s.  The city bus authority decided diesels had become strong enough to handle most of our hills.  The wire was old, and they decided to take down the wire and convert the ETBs to diesel routes.  To do this they had to change some of the routes to use less steep hills.</p>
<p>The people living on the routes were angry, and the people who would have new diesel bus routes running past them were angry.  Seattle&#8217;s professional engineers did a study and found the ETBs were cheaper and quicker than the diesels, even on the steeper routes.  The agency still refused to save the ETB routes.</p>
<p>So an initiative was taken to the people and passed, forcing the agency to rebuild the electric lines and maintain the service.  You see, your <i>very old</i> Seattleites can remember when venal politics ruled Seattle, and good things only happened when citizens <i>made</i> them happen.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe &#8216;venal politics&#8217; play any role in the current threat to the ETBs.  I&#8217;ll be posting shortly at Orphan Road about the organizational and social dynamics that do threaten the ETBs today.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: litlnemo</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/24/erica-barnett-on-the-7/#comment-64365</link>
		<dc:creator>litlnemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. That is a blast from the past. I had forgotten about him as well.</description>
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Wow. That is a blast from the past. I had forgotten about him as well.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Welch</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/24/erica-barnett-on-the-7/#comment-64334</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Welch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 04:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeez, what did happen to him?  And Shea F. Kenney et. al?</description>
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Jeez, what did happen to him?  And Shea F. Kenney et. al?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Mathew"RennDawg" Renner</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/24/erica-barnett-on-the-7/#comment-64332</link>
		<dc:creator>Mathew"RennDawg" Renner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 04:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just because someone prefers a different mode of transportation thay you does not make them idiots. I prefer the bus. What ever happened to being nice.</description>
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Just because someone prefers a different mode of transportation thay you does not make them idiots. I prefer the bus. What ever happened to being nice.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Zed</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/24/erica-barnett-on-the-7/#comment-64331</link>
		<dc:creator>Zed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 04:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Between the 7 and 7E there are around 120 trips each way per day, is getting rid of 8 of them going to be a big deal?

Most people who ride the #7 supported removing some stops to make the trip quicker and more reliable.</description>
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Between the 7 and 7E there are around 120 trips each way per day, is getting rid of 8 of them going to be a big deal?</p>
<p>Most people who ride the #7 supported removing some stops to make the trip quicker and more reliable.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: joshuadf</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/24/erica-barnett-on-the-7/#comment-64324</link>
		<dc:creator>joshuadf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 03:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shouldn&#039;t getting rid of stops improve service? I realize some people will need to walk farther to catch the bus, but once they&#039;re on it it will go faster if it doesn&#039;t stop as often.</description>
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Shouldn&#8217;t getting rid of stops improve service? I realize some people will need to walk farther to catch the bus, but once they&#8217;re on it it will go faster if it doesn&#8217;t stop as often.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: pds</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/24/erica-barnett-on-the-7/#comment-64320</link>
		<dc:creator>pds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 02:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I spent several hours talking with both Metro and Sound Transit planners about Rainier Valley service.  Their answer to everything was The Magic Light Rail.  They came to community meetings in the area not to listen to community members, but to coax people into believing that rail was the answer.  

And remember that they did initially plan to cut trips on the 7.  And they ARE cutting the 7X. 

From Metro&#039;s website:

&lt;blockquote&gt; 7 Local - No change to service. Revised stop spacing project in summer 2009, with first phase to be implemented in September 2009.

7 Express - Reduce weekday morning trips from nine to five trips; reduce afternoon trips from eight to five trips; schedule in coordination with Route 34 Express. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

So they are both getting rid of a bunch of stops AND cutting express trips, almost in half.  

I&#039;m not sure why it&#039;s difficult for people to believe that transit officials were saying these things.  But they did.  And they were wrong.  It&#039;s not that I am thrilled about being right; it&#039;s more that service is being made more difficult in the community that most relies on it.

/soapbox</description>
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I spent several hours talking with both Metro and Sound Transit planners about Rainier Valley service.  Their answer to everything was The Magic Light Rail.  They came to community meetings in the area not to listen to community members, but to coax people into believing that rail was the answer.  </p>
<p>And remember that they did initially plan to cut trips on the 7.  And they ARE cutting the 7X. </p>
<p>From Metro&#8217;s website:</p>
<blockquote><p> 7 Local &#8211; No change to service. Revised stop spacing project in summer 2009, with first phase to be implemented in September 2009.</p>
<p>7 Express &#8211; Reduce weekday morning trips from nine to five trips; reduce afternoon trips from eight to five trips; schedule in coordination with Route 34 Express. </p></blockquote>
<p>So they are both getting rid of a bunch of stops AND cutting express trips, almost in half.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure why it&#8217;s difficult for people to believe that transit officials were saying these things.  But they did.  And they were wrong.  It&#8217;s not that I am thrilled about being right; it&#8217;s more that service is being made more difficult in the community that most relies on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Lloyd</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/24/erica-barnett-on-the-7/#comment-64285</link>
		<dc:creator>Lloyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 23:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I missed the fight to savew the ETBs in the late 1970s - was living in Mass at the time when the T was also pulling down wires.  What was the &quot;fight&quot; here like then?</description>
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I missed the fight to savew the ETBs in the late 1970s &#8211; was living in Mass at the time when the T was also pulling down wires.  What was the &#8220;fight&#8221; here like then?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: TomK</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/24/erica-barnett-on-the-7/#comment-64265</link>
		<dc:creator>TomK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 21:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ooops! You&#039;re right..It was &quot;Section 8&quot;!  I knew it was something with a number in it at least!</description>
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Ooops! You&#8217;re right..It was &#8220;Section 8&#8243;!  I knew it was something with a number in it at least!<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: serial catowner</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/24/erica-barnett-on-the-7/#comment-64264</link>
		<dc:creator>serial catowner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 21:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, there isn&#039;t.  The buses are nearly silent, which is good for riders and the neighborhoods by the bus lines.  They have better acceleration and can climb steeper hills than diesels.  They don&#039;t emit poisonous exhaust, and they can run on PNW hydropower when the rest of us are waiting in half-mile long gas lines to get a rationed dollop.

Still, there might be one excuse- that the residents of Seattle simply don&#039;t place any value on clean air and keeping the noise down.

However, as near as I can see, the Rainier and MLK neighborhoods have had little enough from the city of Seattle during the past 50 years.  I would be very skeptical of any claim that the residents of the Rainier valley actually wanted noisier and smellier buses.

This is a transit system that quite literally buys buses by the hundreds.  They&#039;ve said they expect the existing ETBs to wear out in the next five years but they&#039;re not buying any replacements.  How much handwriting do you need on this wall?</description>
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No, there isn&#8217;t.  The buses are nearly silent, which is good for riders and the neighborhoods by the bus lines.  They have better acceleration and can climb steeper hills than diesels.  They don&#8217;t emit poisonous exhaust, and they can run on PNW hydropower when the rest of us are waiting in half-mile long gas lines to get a rationed dollop.</p>
<p>Still, there might be one excuse- that the residents of Seattle simply don&#8217;t place any value on clean air and keeping the noise down.</p>
<p>However, as near as I can see, the Rainier and MLK neighborhoods have had little enough from the city of Seattle during the past 50 years.  I would be very skeptical of any claim that the residents of the Rainier valley actually wanted noisier and smellier buses.</p>
<p>This is a transit system that quite literally buys buses by the hundreds.  They&#8217;ve said they expect the existing ETBs to wear out in the next five years but they&#8217;re not buying any replacements.  How much handwriting do you need on this wall?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Stefan</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/24/erica-barnett-on-the-7/#comment-64247</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The group was called misc.transport.urban and misc.transport.urban-transit he also used to post in seattle.general, seattle.politics, pdx.general, etc.

I think the term was &quot;Section 8 scum&quot;.

In any case he&#039;s a Usenet legend and several time kook of the month award winner.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://groups.google.com/group/misc.transport.urban-transit/msg/f47c2a1ffbf9abc6&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s the FAQ&lt;/a&gt; that explains more than you ever wanted to know about &quot;L00T!&quot; rail and Big Don.</description>
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The group was called misc.transport.urban and misc.transport.urban-transit he also used to post in seattle.general, seattle.politics, pdx.general, etc.</p>
<p>I think the term was &#8220;Section 8 scum&#8221;.</p>
<p>In any case he&#8217;s a Usenet legend and several time kook of the month award winner.</p>
<p><a href="http://groups.google.com/group/misc.transport.urban-transit/msg/f47c2a1ffbf9abc6" rel="nofollow">Here&#8217;s the FAQ</a> that explains more than you ever wanted to know about &#8220;L00T!&#8221; rail and Big Don.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: alexjonlin</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/24/erica-barnett-on-the-7/#comment-64244</link>
		<dc:creator>alexjonlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 19:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t completely agree with you on that. I think it&#039;s more of a hybrid. And at least Central Link is very much a local line, serving Rainier Valley and the closest suburbs to the south. As it expands, it will be a regional and a local system, serving people in the city with relatively close-together stops, and people in the suburbs with far-apart stops.</description>
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I wouldn&#8217;t completely agree with you on that. I think it&#8217;s more of a hybrid. And at least Central Link is very much a local line, serving Rainier Valley and the closest suburbs to the south. As it expands, it will be a regional and a local system, serving people in the city with relatively close-together stops, and people in the suburbs with far-apart stops.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: alexjonlin</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/24/erica-barnett-on-the-7/#comment-64243</link>
		<dc:creator>alexjonlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 19:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard people talking about how you can ride the &quot;monorail&quot; from SODO to Downtown &quot;for free.&quot; Also, I heard someone say that they wanted a light rail ticket but it would only give tickets for &quot;the Sound Transit.&quot; So it&#039;s not complicated once you use it a few times, but the first couple times (not just on Link but on any system around the world) it can be a little complicated.</description>
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I heard people talking about how you can ride the &#8220;monorail&#8221; from SODO to Downtown &#8220;for free.&#8221; Also, I heard someone say that they wanted a light rail ticket but it would only give tickets for &#8220;the Sound Transit.&#8221; So it&#8217;s not complicated once you use it a few times, but the first couple times (not just on Link but on any system around the world) it can be a little complicated.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Lloyd</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/24/erica-barnett-on-the-7/#comment-64240</link>
		<dc:creator>Lloyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 19:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Section 8 scum...&quot;  He was/is something.

I was always under the impression he lived down Algona or Pacific way.</description>
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&#8220;Section 8 scum&#8230;&#8221;  He was/is something.</p>
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		<title>By: zxcv</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/24/erica-barnett-on-the-7/#comment-64229</link>
		<dc:creator>zxcv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Title 9 scum&quot;

You mean women who play college sports? I hate it when they ride light rail to my neighborhood...</description>
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&#8220;Title 9 scum&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: TomK</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/24/erica-barnett-on-the-7/#comment-64226</link>
		<dc:creator>TomK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He was an anti light rail troll who used to frequent the misc.tranportation.urban_transit USENET newsgroup (not sure I got the name of the group exactly right). 

He was always going off on light rail making it easier for criminals, drug users and (his words) &quot;Title 9 scum&quot; to get around and invade (GASP!) YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD!

I think he may have been Kemper Freeman posting under a pseudonymn.</description>
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He was an anti light rail troll who used to frequent the misc.tranportation.urban_transit USENET newsgroup (not sure I got the name of the group exactly right). </p>
<p>He was always going off on light rail making it easier for criminals, drug users and (his words) &#8220;Title 9 scum&#8221; to get around and invade (GASP!) YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD!</p>
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		<title>By: Oran Viriyincy</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/24/erica-barnett-on-the-7/#comment-64221</link>
		<dc:creator>Oran Viriyincy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who&#039;s Big Don?</description>
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Who&#8217;s Big Don?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Lloyd</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/24/erica-barnett-on-the-7/#comment-64219</link>
		<dc:creator>Lloyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right - no excuse nor any reason to let the ETB system degrade, other than venal politics!</description>
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Right &#8211; no excuse nor any reason to let the ETB system degrade, other than venal politics!<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Squints</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/24/erica-barnett-on-the-7/#comment-64213</link>
		<dc:creator>Squints</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>congrats on your weight loss! Shows that you don&#039;t have to &quot;work out&quot; to have a healthy lifestyle.</description>
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congrats on your weight loss! Shows that you don&#8217;t have to &#8220;work out&#8221; to have a healthy lifestyle.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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