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	<title>Comments on: The Triplett Metro Plan (VI): Conclusions</title>
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		<title>By: County Budget Committee Advances 2010 Metro Budget - Seattle Transit Blog</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/27/the-triplett-metro-plan-vi-conclusions/#comment-82844</link>
		<dc:creator>County Budget Committee Advances 2010 Metro Budget - Seattle Transit Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 17:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] summer we described Executive Kurt Triplett&#8217;s proposed response to the Metro budget crisis, which involved a 9% (310,000 hour) cut in the 2010-2011 biennium.  The [...]</description>
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		<title>By: 2010 City and County Transportation Budgets - Seattle Transit Blog</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/27/the-triplett-metro-plan-vi-conclusions/#comment-71140</link>
		<dc:creator>2010 City and County Transportation Budgets - Seattle Transit Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 12:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] released his  Transportation Budget (pdf).  There are no huge surprises for anyone who read our series on Triplett&#8217;s Metro [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Metro&#8217;s Low-Income Programs - Seattle Transit Blog</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/27/the-triplett-metro-plan-vi-conclusions/#comment-65672</link>
		<dc:creator>Metro&#8217;s Low-Income Programs - Seattle Transit Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 11:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Programs by Martin H. Duke  While interviewing Metro GM Kevin Desmond for last week&#8217;s Metro budget crisis series, I had an opportunity to ask him for details about the low-income fare assistance program that [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Metro Audit Results - Seattle Transit Blog</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/27/the-triplett-metro-plan-vi-conclusions/#comment-65559</link>
		<dc:creator>Metro Audit Results - Seattle Transit Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 23:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] could avoid deadhead runs, shorten layovers, and thus save between $12m and $19m a year.  The Triplett plan envisions about $90m in service suspensions over four years, so in the long run it could cover a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Cash Fare Rider</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/27/the-triplett-metro-plan-vi-conclusions/#comment-64994</link>
		<dc:creator>Cash Fare Rider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 22:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In New York City I can travel unlimited distance on the subway plus a bus transfer for about $2. Boston bus fare is $1.25 and subway is $1.70. Seattle and Eastside bus rides are comparable to this</description>
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In New York City I can travel unlimited distance on the subway plus a bus transfer for about $2. Boston bus fare is $1.25 and subway is $1.70. Seattle and Eastside bus rides are comparable to this<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Ben Schiendelman</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/27/the-triplett-metro-plan-vi-conclusions/#comment-64956</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Schiendelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 19:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, fare increases are less likely to send people back to cars than service cuts.</description>
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Actually, fare increases are less likely to send people back to cars than service cuts.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Ben Schiendelman</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/27/the-triplett-metro-plan-vi-conclusions/#comment-64924</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Schiendelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 17:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frankly? Because if we had the political will to do it at the state level, the money would STILL be better spent speeding up rail expansion. Dumping more money into buses will just cause this problem again in the future.</description>
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Frankly? Because if we had the political will to do it at the state level, the money would STILL be better spent speeding up rail expansion. Dumping more money into buses will just cause this problem again in the future.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Ben Schiendelman</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/27/the-triplett-metro-plan-vi-conclusions/#comment-64923</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Schiendelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 17:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t say the steadiness of the customer is that big of a deal.

Control over the routes - the ability to add more service, especially - would be fantastic.</description>
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I wouldn&#8217;t say the steadiness of the customer is that big of a deal.</p>
<p>Control over the routes &#8211; the ability to add more service, especially &#8211; would be fantastic.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Kevin in Wallingford</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/27/the-triplett-metro-plan-vi-conclusions/#comment-64920</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin in Wallingford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 17:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cash Rider - 

Your comparisons between Metro and the systems in Boston and New York (at least - those are the ones I&#039;m more familiar with) aren&#039;t completely accurate.  Both of those systems offer express bus service that is comparable to a lot of Metro&#039;s peak hour service but which costs a premium - $3.50-$5.00 in Boston and $5.50 in NY.</description>
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Cash Rider &#8211; </p>
<p>Your comparisons between Metro and the systems in Boston and New York (at least &#8211; those are the ones I&#8217;m more familiar with) aren&#8217;t completely accurate.  Both of those systems offer express bus service that is comparable to a lot of Metro&#8217;s peak hour service but which costs a premium &#8211; $3.50-$5.00 in Boston and $5.50 in NY.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Cash Fare Rider</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/27/the-triplett-metro-plan-vi-conclusions/#comment-64899</link>
		<dc:creator>Cash Fare Rider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 14:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Already today, with a $2.50 ST 2-zone fare from Bellevue to Seattle, when my girlfriend and I go to Seattle in the evening or weekend, we&#039;ll drive and park. $10 for round trip bus fares more than pays for the marginal cost of gas and parking: we already have the car and insurance, we can sometimes find free parking and certainly less than $8, and it is faster and more convenient. When the fares are high enough that we won&#039;t use it, it reduces our inclination to support any tax increases - if the taxes aren&#039;t going to provide cost-effective service, why bother? I don&#039;t think that raising fares higher than the increases already planned is viable - it will drive away riders.</description>
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Already today, with a $2.50 ST 2-zone fare from Bellevue to Seattle, when my girlfriend and I go to Seattle in the evening or weekend, we&#8217;ll drive and park. $10 for round trip bus fares more than pays for the marginal cost of gas and parking: we already have the car and insurance, we can sometimes find free parking and certainly less than $8, and it is faster and more convenient. When the fares are high enough that we won&#8217;t use it, it reduces our inclination to support any tax increases &#8211; if the taxes aren&#8217;t going to provide cost-effective service, why bother? I don&#8217;t think that raising fares higher than the increases already planned is viable &#8211; it will drive away riders.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Mickymse</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/27/the-triplett-metro-plan-vi-conclusions/#comment-64823</link>
		<dc:creator>Mickymse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 00:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martin, I completely agree that we shouldn&#039;t make all decision based solely on farebox recovery. And there are good reasons for running various low-performing routes -- from serving transit-dependent communities, to establishing new routes, to realizing efficiencies in moving buses around and the like.

But when you&#039;re facing serious budget issues, it simply doesn&#039;t make sense to keep increasing fares but not cutting where service falls off. Simple common sense would suggest that the folks most likely to pay the fare increase are going to be employer-subsidized and/or higher income commuters. But if you turn around and cut express service or decrease frequency, those are also the riders most likely to switch (back) to cars.</description>
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Martin, I completely agree that we shouldn&#8217;t make all decision based solely on farebox recovery. And there are good reasons for running various low-performing routes &#8212; from serving transit-dependent communities, to establishing new routes, to realizing efficiencies in moving buses around and the like.</p>
<p>But when you&#8217;re facing serious budget issues, it simply doesn&#8217;t make sense to keep increasing fares but not cutting where service falls off. Simple common sense would suggest that the folks most likely to pay the fare increase are going to be employer-subsidized and/or higher income commuters. But if you turn around and cut express service or decrease frequency, those are also the riders most likely to switch (back) to cars.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Bernie</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/27/the-triplett-metro-plan-vi-conclusions/#comment-64816</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 23:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Besides raising fares or increasing taxes I think there exists a large potential to increase efficiency. Some of that may mean changing service (more transfers). Some may come from relocating service to where it is in demand rather than trying to promote demand where there isn&#039;t enough density to warrant service. Some may come from decreasing management costs. Some might come from outsourcing certain maintenance rather than trying to keep a complete chassis off restoration shop in house. Let&#039;s face it, Metro lags well behind other agencies it&#039;s size and it&#039;s not &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt; because of empty buses on the eastside.

It will be interesting to see the results of the audit &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; it will be interesting to see what the candidates for County Executive (and to a lesser degree the Mayor of Seattle) make of it.</description>
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Besides raising fares or increasing taxes I think there exists a large potential to increase efficiency. Some of that may mean changing service (more transfers). Some may come from relocating service to where it is in demand rather than trying to promote demand where there isn&#8217;t enough density to warrant service. Some may come from decreasing management costs. Some might come from outsourcing certain maintenance rather than trying to keep a complete chassis off restoration shop in house. Let&#8217;s face it, Metro lags well behind other agencies it&#8217;s size and it&#8217;s not <i>all</i> because of empty buses on the eastside.</p>
<p>It will be interesting to see the results of the audit <i>and</i> it will be interesting to see what the candidates for County Executive (and to a lesser degree the Mayor of Seattle) make of it.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Carl Rosevear</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/27/the-triplett-metro-plan-vi-conclusions/#comment-64814</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl Rosevear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 23:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about changing the law?  Why are we so afraid of correcting what is truly wrong?  This is a huge problem in almost every aspect of our laws...  Just because it made sense back then doesn&#039;t even slightly imply that it makes sense now.</description>
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How about changing the law?  Why are we so afraid of correcting what is truly wrong?  This is a huge problem in almost every aspect of our laws&#8230;  Just because it made sense back then doesn&#8217;t even slightly imply that it makes sense now.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Stefan</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/27/the-triplett-metro-plan-vi-conclusions/#comment-64811</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 23:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In an ideal world I&#039;d like to set Metro and ST fares at a level that maximizes ridership while still discouraging miscreants. But as Martin points out without a tax base to fund it we&#039;re stuck either cutting service or raising fares.

Now at some point raising fares gives you diminishing returns as ridership drops. There is a price point where you maximize revenue. It would be interesting to know what those numbers are, though I suspect they are far higher than any of the proposed fare increases.</description>
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In an ideal world I&#8217;d like to set Metro and ST fares at a level that maximizes ridership while still discouraging miscreants. But as Martin points out without a tax base to fund it we&#8217;re stuck either cutting service or raising fares.</p>
<p>Now at some point raising fares gives you diminishing returns as ridership drops. There is a price point where you maximize revenue. It would be interesting to know what those numbers are, though I suspect they are far higher than any of the proposed fare increases.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Bernie</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/27/the-triplett-metro-plan-vi-conclusions/#comment-64810</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 23:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Seattle had the money, which I don&#039;t think it does, the City could transfer the maintenance cost of the overhead to SDOT. That would likely make Metro&#039;s cost for ETB service cheaper than running diesels. It would basicly be like shared partnership service. The upside for Seattle is less point source pollution, a steady customer for City Light Power and a great deal of control over the routes.</description>
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If Seattle had the money, which I don&#8217;t think it does, the City could transfer the maintenance cost of the overhead to SDOT. That would likely make Metro&#8217;s cost for ETB service cheaper than running diesels. It would basicly be like shared partnership service. The upside for Seattle is less point source pollution, a steady customer for City Light Power and a great deal of control over the routes.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Martin H. Duke</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/27/the-triplett-metro-plan-vi-conclusions/#comment-64805</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin H. Duke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 22:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt T.E.,

I&#039;m advocating tax increases to the maximum extent allowed by law.  So then what do you do?  Raise fares or cut service?  It&#039;s really that simple.  Complaining that the system is broken won&#039;t keep the buses on the roads.  If and when more authority arrives, we can have the discussion on whether to buy even more service or cut fares.  But until then, this is a binary choice.</description>
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Matt T.E.,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m advocating tax increases to the maximum extent allowed by law.  So then what do you do?  Raise fares or cut service?  It&#8217;s really that simple.  Complaining that the system is broken won&#8217;t keep the buses on the roads.  If and when more authority arrives, we can have the discussion on whether to buy even more service or cut fares.  But until then, this is a binary choice.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Matt the Engineer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt the Engineer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 22:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I appreciate the free market arguments, bus service is something everyone who drives on roads benefits from.  Or actually it&#039;s something every taxpayer benefits from since it reduces the need for more roads.  There are very good reasons to tax for service rather than expecting a high farebox recovery, and perhaps farebox recovery should only be used to limit demand.

This is more than a *poor people can&#039;t afford high fares* issue.  These are simple market pressures that increase the use of bus service when fares are low, decreasing demand for roads, and decrease the use of bus service when fares are high.  

Of course I see you&#039;re really looking at this as constrained by our tax realities and you see it really as increasing fares or decreasing service.  But working within a broken system will give broken results.  Want to tap into that wonderful business revenue stream?  Change the rules so that we can tax them.  Increasing fares just won&#039;t do it (an no, I don&#039;t have numbers to back that up - although I think it&#039;s interesting that recent massive decrease in ridership has been blamed on the economy and not the recent increase of fares).</description>
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Although I appreciate the free market arguments, bus service is something everyone who drives on roads benefits from.  Or actually it&#8217;s something every taxpayer benefits from since it reduces the need for more roads.  There are very good reasons to tax for service rather than expecting a high farebox recovery, and perhaps farebox recovery should only be used to limit demand.</p>
<p>This is more than a *poor people can&#8217;t afford high fares* issue.  These are simple market pressures that increase the use of bus service when fares are low, decreasing demand for roads, and decrease the use of bus service when fares are high.  </p>
<p>Of course I see you&#8217;re really looking at this as constrained by our tax realities and you see it really as increasing fares or decreasing service.  But working within a broken system will give broken results.  Want to tap into that wonderful business revenue stream?  Change the rules so that we can tax them.  Increasing fares just won&#8217;t do it (an no, I don&#8217;t have numbers to back that up &#8211; although I think it&#8217;s interesting that recent massive decrease in ridership has been blamed on the economy and not the recent increase of fares).<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Matt the Engineer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt the Engineer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 22:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was thinking about the possibility of Seattle taking over all of the electric trolleys, allowing Metro service hours to be freed up for other Seattle bus lines.  This sounds backwards to have redundant agencies, but if it&#039;s possible for Seattle to tax itself where King County can&#039;t (other than those last two cents) then we can end up actually increasing bus service.</description>
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I was thinking about the possibility of Seattle taking over all of the electric trolleys, allowing Metro service hours to be freed up for other Seattle bus lines.  This sounds backwards to have redundant agencies, but if it&#8217;s possible for Seattle to tax itself where King County can&#8217;t (other than those last two cents) then we can end up actually increasing bus service.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Stefan</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/27/the-triplett-metro-plan-vi-conclusions/#comment-64773</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>State Law. I&#039;m not sure of the exact RCW sections involved but all taxing authority comes from the state.

Since Metro is part of King County in theory they might have access to additional sources of revenue a pure transit agency like Pierce Transit, Community Transit, or Sound Transit wouldn&#039;t have. For instance placing a property tax levy for Metro operating funds on the ballot. However given all of the holes in King County&#039;s budget and that Metro has a dedicated funding source any property tax levies are likely to address other areas like parks or social services.

So the short answer is all transit agencies really need the legislature to give them additional tax authority. MVET is the one I&#039;ve heard discussed most though the ability to put property tax levies on the ballot would be good too. Assuming the legislature agrees to allow one or both taxes I&#039;d like to see some portion limited to capital spending.</description>
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State Law. I&#8217;m not sure of the exact RCW sections involved but all taxing authority comes from the state.</p>
<p>Since Metro is part of King County in theory they might have access to additional sources of revenue a pure transit agency like Pierce Transit, Community Transit, or Sound Transit wouldn&#8217;t have. For instance placing a property tax levy for Metro operating funds on the ballot. However given all of the holes in King County&#8217;s budget and that Metro has a dedicated funding source any property tax levies are likely to address other areas like parks or social services.</p>
<p>So the short answer is all transit agencies really need the legislature to give them additional tax authority. MVET is the one I&#8217;ve heard discussed most though the ability to put property tax levies on the ballot would be good too. Assuming the legislature agrees to allow one or both taxes I&#8217;d like to see some portion limited to capital spending.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Martin H. Duke</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/08/27/the-triplett-metro-plan-vi-conclusions/#comment-64758</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin H. Duke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cash Fare Rider,

Of course they&#039;re high fares; our bus system and operating costs are far more extensive relative to population than those, not least because we don&#039;t have trains covering the most important corridors.

No one said everyone has an employer-provided bus pass.  There are people in my household that don&#039;t have one.  If you clicked through to the editorial I linked to, you&#039;ll see that I support extending low-income programs to cushion the blow on the needy.

However, there&#039;s a large source of untapped revenue in people who can afford it, their employers, and the federal government.  If you&#039;re interested in helping the needy, let&#039;s help the needy, instead of maintaining a system that lavishes huge subsidies on those who are not.

If you have data on &quot;what the market will bear&quot; with respect to how the fare increases impact will impact ridership, I&#039;d love to see it.  As it is I&#039;m not yet convinced that the fare increase will do more damage than the service cuts will.</description>
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Cash Fare Rider,</p>
<p>Of course they&#8217;re high fares; our bus system and operating costs are far more extensive relative to population than those, not least because we don&#8217;t have trains covering the most important corridors.</p>
<p>No one said everyone has an employer-provided bus pass.  There are people in my household that don&#8217;t have one.  If you clicked through to the editorial I linked to, you&#8217;ll see that I support extending low-income programs to cushion the blow on the needy.</p>
<p>However, there&#8217;s a large source of untapped revenue in people who can afford it, their employers, and the federal government.  If you&#8217;re interested in helping the needy, let&#8217;s help the needy, instead of maintaining a system that lavishes huge subsidies on those who are not.</p>
<p>If you have data on &#8220;what the market will bear&#8221; with respect to how the fare increases impact will impact ridership, I&#8217;d love to see it.  As it is I&#8217;m not yet convinced that the fare increase will do more damage than the service cuts will.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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