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		<title>By: Returning to Base - Seattle Transit Blog</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/10/06/news-roundup-sharrows/#comment-75193</link>
		<dc:creator>Returning to Base - Seattle Transit Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Hill Station, besides being awesome, is entirely protected from the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/10/06/news-roundup-sharrows/#comment-72695</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 01:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I wasn&#039;t saying there isn&#039;t room for improvement next time around, I just don&#039;t see how anyone could call the tracks a &quot;disaster&quot; for cyclists. Based on what I had heard before riding over there, I half expected the road to open up and swallow my front wheel whole or something. What I encountered was perhaps less than ideal, but certainly manageable.

And +1 on center-running streetcars, unless they have a separated lane to the side.</description>
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Yeah, I wasn&#8217;t saying there isn&#8217;t room for improvement next time around, I just don&#8217;t see how anyone could call the tracks a &#8220;disaster&#8221; for cyclists. Based on what I had heard before riding over there, I half expected the road to open up and swallow my front wheel whole or something. What I encountered was perhaps less than ideal, but certainly manageable.</p>
<p>And +1 on center-running streetcars, unless they have a separated lane to the side.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Brian Bundridge</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/10/06/news-roundup-sharrows/#comment-72664</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Bundridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fun fact! 

Certain Amtrak locomotives have cruise control. Freight locomotives also have this feature but I believe it is only good for below 5mph.</description>
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Fun fact! </p>
<p>Certain Amtrak locomotives have cruise control. Freight locomotives also have this feature but I believe it is only good for below 5mph.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Zed</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/10/06/news-roundup-sharrows/#comment-72579</link>
		<dc:creator>Zed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 18:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree that any future streetcar lines should be center running. In addition to interfacing better with cyclists, it is better for the streetcar because it keeps the streetcar from getting stuck behind right-turning vehicles or illegally parked vehicles.</description>
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I totally agree that any future streetcar lines should be center running. In addition to interfacing better with cyclists, it is better for the streetcar because it keeps the streetcar from getting stuck behind right-turning vehicles or illegally parked vehicles.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: joshuadf</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/10/06/news-roundup-sharrows/#comment-72557</link>
		<dc:creator>joshuadf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 15:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI, depending on where you&#039;re going, 9th (one block west) is a much nicer ride once north of Denny.</description>
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FYI, depending on where you&#8217;re going, 9th (one block west) is a much nicer ride once north of Denny.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Chris Stefan</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/10/06/news-roundup-sharrows/#comment-72551</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 14:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well the tracks are kind of annoying to deal with as you try to keep the idiots in the SUV&#039;s from running you down. In the future I&#039;d like to see one of the following done with any rail laid in mixed traffic lanes:
1. Center running
2. Bikeways/lanes as proposed in some of the streetcar planning documents.
3. Some form of rubber groove or gap fillers.</description>
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Well the tracks are kind of annoying to deal with as you try to keep the idiots in the SUV&#8217;s from running you down. In the future I&#8217;d like to see one of the following done with any rail laid in mixed traffic lanes:<br />
1. Center running<br />
2. Bikeways/lanes as proposed in some of the streetcar planning documents.<br />
3. Some form of rubber groove or gap fillers.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/10/06/news-roundup-sharrows/#comment-72527</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 07:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Zed. As someone who bikes that area once or twice a week (with 700x25 tires), I fail to see what the hullabaloo is all about.</description>
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Thank you, Zed. As someone who bikes that area once or twice a week (with 700&#215;25 tires), I fail to see what the hullabaloo is all about.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: joshuadf</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/10/06/news-roundup-sharrows/#comment-72523</link>
		<dc:creator>joshuadf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 06:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nope, that&#039;s the one. Diagonal from 55th to Blakeley. The new bike map has it the right color and everything. Ravenna Pl is arguably the best way to get from the Burke-Gilman up the hill through Ravenna Park, but you have to cross 55th at that awful 5-way intersection.</description>
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Nope, that&#8217;s the one. Diagonal from 55th to Blakeley. The new bike map has it the right color and everything. Ravenna Pl is arguably the best way to get from the Burke-Gilman up the hill through Ravenna Park, but you have to cross 55th at that awful 5-way intersection.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: joshuadf</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/10/06/news-roundup-sharrows/#comment-72521</link>
		<dc:creator>joshuadf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 06:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Walking is not faster, and yes I sometimes do either walk or take the SLUT to get to work from Westlake Station. Assuming you&#039;re an abled person, it&#039;s about the same amount of time if you have a short wait. If you just missed a trolley it might be faster to walk. They&#039;re also closing one block of Westlake to traffic which should help quite a bit. 

There are also the intangible benefits of level boarding, a clear route, and being out of the weather. I remember the first meeting I had at SBRI on Westlake a few years ago and I thought it would just take a couple minutes to walk down there. Looks so close on the map. Wrong! On the other hand, this summer I did often walk for the benefit of being out in the nice weather.

And again, over 1300 riders per day makes it a middling Metro route but by no means low performing. As alexjonlin pointed out it&#039;s very short so per mile it&#039;s impressive. However as I&#039;m sure Bernie will mention again it is expensive because there&#039;s a streetcar base supporting just one route, and it doesn&#039;t look like we&#039;ll be getting the Central Streetcar extension any time soon.</description>
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Walking is not faster, and yes I sometimes do either walk or take the SLUT to get to work from Westlake Station. Assuming you&#8217;re an abled person, it&#8217;s about the same amount of time if you have a short wait. If you just missed a trolley it might be faster to walk. They&#8217;re also closing one block of Westlake to traffic which should help quite a bit. </p>
<p>There are also the intangible benefits of level boarding, a clear route, and being out of the weather. I remember the first meeting I had at SBRI on Westlake a few years ago and I thought it would just take a couple minutes to walk down there. Looks so close on the map. Wrong! On the other hand, this summer I did often walk for the benefit of being out in the nice weather.</p>
<p>And again, over 1300 riders per day makes it a middling Metro route but by no means low performing. As alexjonlin pointed out it&#8217;s very short so per mile it&#8217;s impressive. However as I&#8217;m sure Bernie will mention again it is expensive because there&#8217;s a streetcar base supporting just one route, and it doesn&#8217;t look like we&#8217;ll be getting the Central Streetcar extension any time soon.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: joshuadf</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/10/06/news-roundup-sharrows/#comment-72518</link>
		<dc:creator>joshuadf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 05:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, we could call the extension the Central Streetcar and it could run on 1st.</description>
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Yes, we could call the extension the Central Streetcar and it could run on 1st.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Zed</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/10/06/news-roundup-sharrows/#comment-72510</link>
		<dc:creator>Zed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 04:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The tracks are only a disaster for really poor cyclists who probably shouldn&#039;t be riding in the street anyways. I routinely ride on Westlake and it&#039;s really not that big of a deal.</description>
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The tracks are only a disaster for really poor cyclists who probably shouldn&#8217;t be riding in the street anyways. I routinely ride on Westlake and it&#8217;s really not that big of a deal.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Worker Bee</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/10/06/news-roundup-sharrows/#comment-72501</link>
		<dc:creator>Worker Bee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 03:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slightly off-topic, but is anyone else as frustrated as I am with the City&#039;s handling of the King Street Station renovation?

Here, they have an opportunity to really engage the community, and build excitement and support for both this magnificent structure, and our new transit options, but all they have is a lame website, and a project manager who refuses to return calls (and when she finally does, she has all the personality of a dust rag). 

When is the escalator coming out? What is the plan for the surface space that the odor control facility construction site was occupying? When is the ceiling in the waiting room coming down? What is the long-range plan for the upper floors? Are they accepting proposals for businesses who might want a presence in the station?

I work for the city myself, so I am not expecting much, but this project is particularly poorly run from a public input standpoint.</description>
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Slightly off-topic, but is anyone else as frustrated as I am with the City&#8217;s handling of the King Street Station renovation?</p>
<p>Here, they have an opportunity to really engage the community, and build excitement and support for both this magnificent structure, and our new transit options, but all they have is a lame website, and a project manager who refuses to return calls (and when she finally does, she has all the personality of a dust rag). </p>
<p>When is the escalator coming out? What is the plan for the surface space that the odor control facility construction site was occupying? When is the ceiling in the waiting room coming down? What is the long-range plan for the upper floors? Are they accepting proposals for businesses who might want a presence in the station?</p>
<p>I work for the city myself, so I am not expecting much, but this project is particularly poorly run from a public input standpoint.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: alexjonlin</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/10/06/news-roundup-sharrows/#comment-72494</link>
		<dc:creator>alexjonlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 01:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with the &quot;TOD&quot; at downtown Burien is that it&#039;s two blocks of parking lots away from the transit center, and they&#039;re new parking lots so they&#039;re not that likely to be developed that soon... I wouldn&#039;t consider it the model for TOD.</description>
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The problem with the &#8220;TOD&#8221; at downtown Burien is that it&#8217;s two blocks of parking lots away from the transit center, and they&#8217;re new parking lots so they&#8217;re not that likely to be developed that soon&#8230; I wouldn&#8217;t consider it the model for TOD.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: alexjonlin</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/10/06/news-roundup-sharrows/#comment-72492</link>
		<dc:creator>alexjonlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 01:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Walking might end up being faster including the wait time but still lots of people take it because a lot of people don&#039;t like walking for whatever reason. The tracks laid are only a disaster for bicycle riding employees if they insist on riding on Westlake/Terry. There are plenty of alternatives.</description>
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Walking might end up being faster including the wait time but still lots of people take it because a lot of people don&#8217;t like walking for whatever reason. The tracks laid are only a disaster for bicycle riding employees if they insist on riding on Westlake/Terry. There are plenty of alternatives.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: alexjonlin</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/10/06/news-roundup-sharrows/#comment-72491</link>
		<dc:creator>alexjonlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 01:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand the elevator thing... But I think ridership per mile in this instance does make sense. If you took the bus boardings in that area each day, it would be much less.</description>
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I don&#8217;t understand the elevator thing&#8230; But I think ridership per mile in this instance does make sense. If you took the bus boardings in that area each day, it would be much less.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Smith</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/10/06/news-roundup-sharrows/#comment-72449</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 21:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had no idea that was the case! Seems like a no brainer.</description>
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I had no idea that was the case! Seems like a no brainer.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Smith</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/10/06/news-roundup-sharrows/#comment-72448</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 21:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh that&#039;s too bad. Cruise control on a train sounds like great fun! The segment is pretty short, though.</description>
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		<title>By: Mickymse</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/10/06/news-roundup-sharrows/#comment-72447</link>
		<dc:creator>Mickymse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 21:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure I would make the leap from candidates responding YES to the question &quot;Was the South Lake Union Streetcar a good idea?&quot; to saying that everyone thinks it&#039;s a failure.

I was at the Forum, and it was just one of the strange questions/responses that evening (which will be broadcast at some point on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.SeattleChannel.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Seattle Channel&lt;/a&gt;). I did not take their answers to mean that they all thought it was a failure. 

Unfortunately, stupid Yes/No/Waffle questions where one waves a sign don&#039;t offer much room for comment. I was equally surprised when everyone who had just said how much they support the Waterfront Tunnel also said that they think the North Portal needs to be reconfigured for NW access. I don&#039;t disagree, but I expect that would drive up costs. As would the responses that we should look into adding Downtown entrances/exits, which would be impossible.</description>
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I&#8217;m not sure I would make the leap from candidates responding YES to the question &#8220;Was the South Lake Union Streetcar a good idea?&#8221; to saying that everyone thinks it&#8217;s a failure.</p>
<p>I was at the Forum, and it was just one of the strange questions/responses that evening (which will be broadcast at some point on the <a href="http://www.SeattleChannel.org" rel="nofollow">Seattle Channel</a>). I did not take their answers to mean that they all thought it was a failure. </p>
<p>Unfortunately, stupid Yes/No/Waffle questions where one waves a sign don&#8217;t offer much room for comment. I was equally surprised when everyone who had just said how much they support the Waterfront Tunnel also said that they think the North Portal needs to be reconfigured for NW access. I don&#8217;t disagree, but I expect that would drive up costs. As would the responses that we should look into adding Downtown entrances/exits, which would be impossible.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Art</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/10/06/news-roundup-sharrows/#comment-72445</link>
		<dc:creator>Art</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 21:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The South Lake Union Streetcar line (I refuse to call it the you-know-what) needs an extension west to reach main commercial venues - Pike Place Market, Westlake Mall - and cross main transit corridors. The terminus on Westlake is just plain dumb and looks bad. 

I favor one westbound track up Stewart, turn south on 1st or 2nd Ave, turn east on Pike, turn north on 6th and reconnect, about 1 mile of track with 4 stops. This would triple ridership overnight and necessitate one or two more streetcars. SDOT plans show a two-track extension on Stewart, but includes a tie-in to the proposed line on 1st Ave. Just do the simple extension. Turning south on 2nd would simplify those turns - they wouldn&#039;t have to cross traffic.

Mike McGinn is entirely correct to oppose the Deep-bore. It&#039;s not the best tunnel option for managing traffic, for creating the best new Alaskan Way and most construction jobs, etc etc. Mike has the courage to fight for what&#039;s right. Mallahan is the heir apparent, replacement CEO boss.</description>
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The South Lake Union Streetcar line (I refuse to call it the you-know-what) needs an extension west to reach main commercial venues &#8211; Pike Place Market, Westlake Mall &#8211; and cross main transit corridors. The terminus on Westlake is just plain dumb and looks bad. </p>
<p>I favor one westbound track up Stewart, turn south on 1st or 2nd Ave, turn east on Pike, turn north on 6th and reconnect, about 1 mile of track with 4 stops. This would triple ridership overnight and necessitate one or two more streetcars. SDOT plans show a two-track extension on Stewart, but includes a tie-in to the proposed line on 1st Ave. Just do the simple extension. Turning south on 2nd would simplify those turns &#8211; they wouldn&#8217;t have to cross traffic.</p>
<p>Mike McGinn is entirely correct to oppose the Deep-bore. It&#8217;s not the best tunnel option for managing traffic, for creating the best new Alaskan Way and most construction jobs, etc etc. Mike has the courage to fight for what&#8217;s right. Mallahan is the heir apparent, replacement CEO boss.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 16:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nah, walking from the Westlake station will still be faster for most people working for Amazon. And the tracks they laid are a disaster for the bicycle riding employees. The SLUT is a complete failure when you judge it by cost/service.</description>
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nah, walking from the Westlake station will still be faster for most people working for Amazon. And the tracks they laid are a disaster for the bicycle riding employees. The SLUT is a complete failure when you judge it by cost/service.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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