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	<title>Comments on: A Very Short Interview with Richard Conlin</title>
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		<title>By: Nathanael</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/11/10/a-very-short-interview-with-richard-conlin/#comment-92040</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathanael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 01:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nobody seems to have designed systems which run in &quot;manual mode&quot; most of the time and in &quot;automated mode&quot; within some key segment.  Maybe there&#039;s a design difficulty in doing that.  It seems like a wise idea.

Unfortunately it wouldn&#039;t solve the problems in this case because of crossings between the East Link/South Link junction point and the tunnel entrance (in other words, SODO).  That area needs to lose all its level crossings.</description>
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Nobody seems to have designed systems which run in &#8220;manual mode&#8221; most of the time and in &#8220;automated mode&#8221; within some key segment.  Maybe there&#8217;s a design difficulty in doing that.  It seems like a wise idea.</p>
<p>Unfortunately it wouldn&#8217;t solve the problems in this case because of crossings between the East Link/South Link junction point and the tunnel entrance (in other words, SODO).  That area needs to lose all its level crossings.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Keo</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/11/10/a-very-short-interview-with-richard-conlin/#comment-91856</link>
		<dc:creator>Keo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 06:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone considered a couplet on 2nd and 4th instead of 1st? It seems like it would be much less disruptive.</description>
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Has anyone considered a couplet on 2nd and 4th instead of 1st? It seems like it would be much less disruptive.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Light Rail Vote in 2010? - Seattle Transit Blog</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/11/10/a-very-short-interview-with-richard-conlin/#comment-91739</link>
		<dc:creator>Light Rail Vote in 2010? - Seattle Transit Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 20:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] speculated in the past that this project will consist of an all-surface alignment from West Seattle to SODO station, combined with a souped-up Ballard/Fremont Streetcar to connect those neighborhoods with Westlake [...]</description>
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[...] speculated in the past that this project will consist of an all-surface alignment from West Seattle to SODO station, combined with a souped-up Ballard/Fremont Streetcar to connect those neighborhoods with Westlake [...]<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Dubman</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/11/10/a-very-short-interview-with-richard-conlin/#comment-82007</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Dubman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 06:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Continuing the thought experiment: If you were to run light rail from West Seattle with a transfer at Sodo, targeting East Link, how might that work?

You could run it east on, under or alongside the West Seattle Bridge,  under or on the Spokane Street Viaduct, with some kind of stop serving the south industrial area en route (a major employment base).

From there you could hook into existing trackage at the to-be-expanded-anyway maintenance base that gets you onto trackage heading north with no capacity constraints in this stretch. (The capacity constraint starts in the International District Station area when East Link merges in.)

Both Central Link and West Seattle to Bellevue/Redmond lines would serve Sodo (the transfer stop.) Only Central Link would serve International District Station and downtown.

Now all you need is one more ramp to hook into the existing busway that will become East Link.

This would introduce a transfer for many West Seattle residents that does not exist today. That is certainly a flaw of any plan that has a transfer at Sodo to get downtown.</description>
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Continuing the thought experiment: If you were to run light rail from West Seattle with a transfer at Sodo, targeting East Link, how might that work?</p>
<p>You could run it east on, under or alongside the West Seattle Bridge,  under or on the Spokane Street Viaduct, with some kind of stop serving the south industrial area en route (a major employment base).</p>
<p>From there you could hook into existing trackage at the to-be-expanded-anyway maintenance base that gets you onto trackage heading north with no capacity constraints in this stretch. (The capacity constraint starts in the International District Station area when East Link merges in.)</p>
<p>Both Central Link and West Seattle to Bellevue/Redmond lines would serve Sodo (the transfer stop.) Only Central Link would serve International District Station and downtown.</p>
<p>Now all you need is one more ramp to hook into the existing busway that will become East Link.</p>
<p>This would introduce a transfer for many West Seattle residents that does not exist today. That is certainly a flaw of any plan that has a transfer at Sodo to get downtown.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Dubman</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/11/10/a-very-short-interview-with-richard-conlin/#comment-82002</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Dubman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 06:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an old thread, but I just had a new thought.

Were a line ever built to West Seattle, as Richard Conlin suggests, you could have a transfer at Sodo... and then just through-route those trains onto East Link, once built. This would create a West Seattle to Bellevue/Redmond line via I-90.</description>
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This is an old thread, but I just had a new thought.</p>
<p>Were a line ever built to West Seattle, as Richard Conlin suggests, you could have a transfer at Sodo&#8230; and then just through-route those trains onto East Link, once built. This would create a West Seattle to Bellevue/Redmond line via I-90.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/11/10/a-very-short-interview-with-richard-conlin/#comment-81630</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 14:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, get over yourself. I don&#039;t write for this blog and I&#039;ve never even met anyone who does. There&#039;s no way to pretend your previous comments were remotely sincere attempts to answer my questions, so stop playing the victim.</description>
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Oh, get over yourself. I don&#8217;t write for this blog and I&#8217;ve never even met anyone who does. There&#8217;s no way to pretend your previous comments were remotely sincere attempts to answer my questions, so stop playing the victim.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/11/10/a-very-short-interview-with-richard-conlin/#comment-81431</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 23:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>East Link may take up too much capacity to run a third line through the bus tunnel, but it seems like you could certainly take some of the U-link vehicles and send them to West Seattle instead of down to SeaTac.</description>
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East Link may take up too much capacity to run a third line through the bus tunnel, but it seems like you could certainly take some of the U-link vehicles and send them to West Seattle instead of down to SeaTac.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Anandakos</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/11/10/a-very-short-interview-with-richard-conlin/#comment-81195</link>
		<dc:creator>Anandakos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, excuuuuse me for daring to question the omniscience of &quot;&lt;b&gt;STB&lt;/b&gt;&quot; whose decisions are binding on all who live.</description>
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Well, excuuuuse me for daring to question the omniscience of &#8220;<b>STB</b>&#8221; whose decisions are binding on all who live.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Anandakos</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/11/10/a-very-short-interview-with-richard-conlin/#comment-81194</link>
		<dc:creator>Anandakos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not until 2030.  Headways in the tunnel will be longer than two minutes until Redmond, and Federal Way are completed.  

In any case, why is the system planned to be expanded to Redmond, Everett and Tacoma in ST3?  If it will &lt;b&gt;really&lt;/b&gt; be at crush load 24,000 passengers per hour through the tunnel in 2030, how can they even contemplate extending the system?  They won&#039;t even be able to keep up with population growth along the Alderwood to Star Lake and Overlake.  

It doesn&#039;t add up.  Either the ST planners don&#039;t really believe the projections for 2030 or they&#039;re doing a bait and switch.  

If West Seattle can get ten years of direct downtown service out of some otherwise non-revenue but necessary trackage (the systems have to be linked somewhere and where better than the MF?) seems like a good thing to me.</description>
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Not until 2030.  Headways in the tunnel will be longer than two minutes until Redmond, and Federal Way are completed.  </p>
<p>In any case, why is the system planned to be expanded to Redmond, Everett and Tacoma in ST3?  If it will <b>really</b> be at crush load 24,000 passengers per hour through the tunnel in 2030, how can they even contemplate extending the system?  They won&#8217;t even be able to keep up with population growth along the Alderwood to Star Lake and Overlake.  </p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t add up.  Either the ST planners don&#8217;t really believe the projections for 2030 or they&#8217;re doing a bait and switch.  </p>
<p>If West Seattle can get ten years of direct downtown service out of some otherwise non-revenue but necessary trackage (the systems have to be linked somewhere and where better than the MF?) seems like a good thing to me.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Chris Stefan</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/11/10/a-very-short-interview-with-richard-conlin/#comment-81084</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the bridge can even support LRVs it is only going to be able to do so if space for the rails is taken from car/bus travel lanes. No way the bridge would be able to support the additional weight of an elevated track support structure.</description>
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If the bridge can even support LRVs it is only going to be able to do so if space for the rails is taken from car/bus travel lanes. No way the bridge would be able to support the additional weight of an elevated track support structure.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: alexjonlin</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/11/10/a-very-short-interview-with-richard-conlin/#comment-81026</link>
		<dc:creator>alexjonlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 05:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>East Link and Central Link will fill up the tunnel</description>
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		<title>By: alexjonlin</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/11/10/a-very-short-interview-with-richard-conlin/#comment-81025</link>
		<dc:creator>alexjonlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 05:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correct, I&#039;m not planning on serving California north of Alaska, until a future line could be built out to Admiral and Alki, then perhaps snaking east from the Junction to go along the Delridge corridor. In the 50-100 years until we build this line, we could have a cable car from the Junction to Admiral and Alki. That would be awesome.</description>
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Correct, I&#8217;m not planning on serving California north of Alaska, until a future line could be built out to Admiral and Alki, then perhaps snaking east from the Junction to go along the Delridge corridor. In the 50-100 years until we build this line, we could have a cable car from the Junction to Admiral and Alki. That would be awesome.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/11/10/a-very-short-interview-with-richard-conlin/#comment-80874</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Al. I might ask around at the Great City brown bag tomorrow.</description>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/11/10/a-very-short-interview-with-richard-conlin/#comment-80872</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please stop projecting your opinions about the line onto council, unless you have some source indicating they do actually agree with you. There&#039;s been plenty of discussion on STB as to whether the First Avenue line is a good idea. I&#039;m not interested in rehashing a stale debate, which is why I didn&#039;t ask an open-ended question about how people felt about the project.</description>
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Please stop projecting your opinions about the line onto council, unless you have some source indicating they do actually agree with you. There&#8217;s been plenty of discussion on STB as to whether the First Avenue line is a good idea. I&#8217;m not interested in rehashing a stale debate, which is why I didn&#8217;t ask an open-ended question about how people felt about the project.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Smith</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/11/10/a-very-short-interview-with-richard-conlin/#comment-80819</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Anandakos the N gets &lt;b&gt;seven&lt;/b&gt; minute headways in the Market Street tunnel at peak and does run in shared lanes after 25th ave but how many of those six minute headway trains are running after 25th ave?

About half:
http://www.sfmta.com/cms/asystem/routedesc.php?rted=N</description>
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Yes, Anandakos the N gets <b>seven</b> minute headways in the Market Street tunnel at peak and does run in shared lanes after 25th ave but how many of those six minute headway trains are running after 25th ave?</p>
<p>About half:<br />
<a href="http://www.sfmta.com/cms/asystem/routedesc.php?rted=N" rel="nofollow">http://www.sfmta.com/cms/asystem/routedesc.php?rted=N</a><!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Anandakos</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/11/10/a-very-short-interview-with-richard-conlin/#comment-80810</link>
		<dc:creator>Anandakos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Point well made: the traffic didn&#039;t just appear in the last eleven months.  What probably appeared is the realization that they made a big mistake eleven months ago by &lt;b&gt;ignoring&lt;/b&gt; the stupendous traffic jams on game days.</description>
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Point well made: the traffic didn&#8217;t just appear in the last eleven months.  What probably appeared is the realization that they made a big mistake eleven months ago by <b>ignoring</b> the stupendous traffic jams on game days.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Brian Bundridge</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/11/10/a-very-short-interview-with-richard-conlin/#comment-80798</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Bundridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Waterfront Streetcar

My dream has always been to see the Waterfront Streetcar restored and extended to Pier 91 and the Ballard Locks. Why? It would connect some of the great touristy stuff to do in our region. The WF line will never been a good commuter line but it is a wonderful way to connect the Waterfront to other communities. Getting to the Locks for example would be fairly easy, especially if the single track with passing sidings is maintained a practice. During the Summer with the connection to the cruise ships, it would be a huge boon to these folks visiting. 

There are a ton of reasons to restore the Waterfront Streetcar. We have 6 vehicles in hand, we will still have all of the track after the Viaduct is gone (all of it is reusable still, along with the concrete ties) and we have the Overhead Contact System. An extension to T91 would be fairly cheap, same with an extension to the Locks.

So what are we waiting for besides a new Viaduct and Seawall? We have everything required except for a maintenance facility.</description>
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<p>My dream has always been to see the Waterfront Streetcar restored and extended to Pier 91 and the Ballard Locks. Why? It would connect some of the great touristy stuff to do in our region. The WF line will never been a good commuter line but it is a wonderful way to connect the Waterfront to other communities. Getting to the Locks for example would be fairly easy, especially if the single track with passing sidings is maintained a practice. During the Summer with the connection to the cruise ships, it would be a huge boon to these folks visiting. </p>
<p>There are a ton of reasons to restore the Waterfront Streetcar. We have 6 vehicles in hand, we will still have all of the track after the Viaduct is gone (all of it is reusable still, along with the concrete ties) and we have the Overhead Contact System. An extension to T91 would be fairly cheap, same with an extension to the Locks.</p>
<p>So what are we waiting for besides a new Viaduct and Seawall? We have everything required except for a maintenance facility.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/11/10/a-very-short-interview-with-richard-conlin/#comment-80728</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, that&#039;s why you don&#039;t like the route. That traffic didn&#039;t mysteriously appear in the last eleven months.</description>
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		<title>By: Anandakos</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/11/10/a-very-short-interview-with-richard-conlin/#comment-80718</link>
		<dc:creator>Anandakos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex,

Did you read the long post in response to Ben at 13:21 yesterday?  I don&#039;t think we need to do the transfer.  Just use a connection to Central Link at the Maintenance Facility and run trains to UW.  I&#039;m sure that West Seattle won&#039;t be completed before University Link is so there should be no problem with too many turnbacks.</description>
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Alex,</p>
<p>Did you read the long post in response to Ben at 13:21 yesterday?  I don&#8217;t think we need to do the transfer.  Just use a connection to Central Link at the Maintenance Facility and run trains to UW.  I&#8217;m sure that West Seattle won&#8217;t be completed before University Link is so there should be no problem with too many turnbacks.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: reality based commute</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/11/10/a-very-short-interview-with-richard-conlin/#comment-80687</link>
		<dc:creator>reality based commute</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 07:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone basing serious cost estimates for West Seattle on monorail numbers is not being serious.  The monorail was not anywhere close to the 30% design mark where you begin to get reasonable cost certainty.  Sound Transit learned that lesson painfully, Joel Horn and the monorail gang never did.

The Duwamish crossing is a huge issue.  It would likely require a new, separate bridge with all of the environmental issues that would entail.  Crossing of the railroad tracks in SODO would be another bridge.  Avalon is a possibility for climbing the hill, but a short tunnel would likely be needed to get up to the Alaska Junction.  California would be a tight fit for elevated or at grade light rail.  They may need to cut-and-cover a tunnel.

Conlin does us a disservice by floating wild guesses like this.  Perhaps he should pay more attention at Sound Transit board meetings.  I am guessing they are shuddering to hear his estimate.</description>
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Anyone basing serious cost estimates for West Seattle on monorail numbers is not being serious.  The monorail was not anywhere close to the 30% design mark where you begin to get reasonable cost certainty.  Sound Transit learned that lesson painfully, Joel Horn and the monorail gang never did.</p>
<p>The Duwamish crossing is a huge issue.  It would likely require a new, separate bridge with all of the environmental issues that would entail.  Crossing of the railroad tracks in SODO would be another bridge.  Avalon is a possibility for climbing the hill, but a short tunnel would likely be needed to get up to the Alaska Junction.  California would be a tight fit for elevated or at grade light rail.  They may need to cut-and-cover a tunnel.</p>
<p>Conlin does us a disservice by floating wild guesses like this.  Perhaps he should pay more attention at Sound Transit board meetings.  I am guessing they are shuddering to hear his estimate.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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