Comments on: Kevin Wallace’s ‘Vision Line’ http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/11/17/kevin-wallaces-vision-line/ Transit in the Greater Seattle Area Mon, 13 Feb 2012 09:21:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Meeting Roundup: Meet Your New ST Board Chair - Seattle Transit Blog http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/11/17/kevin-wallaces-vision-line/#comment-104932 Meeting Roundup: Meet Your New ST Board Chair - Seattle Transit Blog Wed, 10 Feb 2010 16:16:28 +0000 http://seattletransitblog.com/?p=9845#comment-104932 [...] segment on March 11th.  The Board allocated $15,000 for the staff to include Kevin Wallace’s 114th Avenue elevated alignment in this [...]
[...] segment on March 11th.  The Board allocated $15,000 for the staff to include Kevin Wallace’s 114th Avenue elevated alignment in this [...]

]]> By: civics21.org » Blog Archive » 2009: A year in rail transit http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/11/17/kevin-wallaces-vision-line/#comment-103323 civics21.org » Blog Archive » 2009: A year in rail transit Fri, 05 Feb 2010 06:28:37 +0000 http://seattletransitblog.com/?p=9845#comment-103323 [...] Bellevue has generated controversy regarding what bridge on which to cross Lake Washington and where and how to route through downtown Bellevue. Meanwhile, there is discussion of extensions wholly within the city of Seattle, and some [...]
[...] Bellevue has generated controversy regarding what bridge on which to cross Lake Washington and where and how to route through downtown Bellevue. Meanwhile, there is discussion of extensions wholly within the city of Seattle, and some [...]

]]> By: Pacific Northwest-Coast Bias » Blog Archive » Kudos Kevin Wallace http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/11/17/kevin-wallaces-vision-line/#comment-101529 Pacific Northwest-Coast Bias » Blog Archive » Kudos Kevin Wallace Sat, 30 Jan 2010 08:23:14 +0000 http://seattletransitblog.com/?p=9845#comment-101529 [...] Seattle Transit Blog has some great illustrations as well. [...]
[...] Seattle Transit Blog has some great illustrations as well. [...]

]]> By: Editorial: Don’t Build a Train Station Next to a Highway - Seattle Transit Blog http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/11/17/kevin-wallaces-vision-line/#comment-84584 Editorial: Don’t Build a Train Station Next to a Highway - Seattle Transit Blog Tue, 24 Nov 2009 13:01:58 +0000 http://seattletransitblog.com/?p=9845#comment-84584 [...] “Vision Line” route for East Link proposed by Kevin Wallace is fantastical, but in the real world of building [...]
[...] “Vision Line” route for East Link proposed by Kevin Wallace is fantastical, but in the real world of building [...]

]]> By: Kevin Wallace Responds - Seattle Transit Blog http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/11/17/kevin-wallaces-vision-line/#comment-84376 Kevin Wallace Responds - Seattle Transit Blog Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:02:03 +0000 http://seattletransitblog.com/?p=9845#comment-84376 [...] wanted to give Kevin Wallace a chance to address the many concerns that you had with his recent Vision Line proposal and to defend the premise behind his idea.  I had the opportunity to bring forth some of the [...]
[...] wanted to give Kevin Wallace a chance to address the many concerns that you had with his recent Vision Line proposal and to defend the premise behind his idea.  I had the opportunity to bring forth some of the [...]

]]> By: Martin H. Duke http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/11/17/kevin-wallaces-vision-line/#comment-83538 Martin H. Duke Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:34:38 +0000 http://seattletransitblog.com/?p=9845#comment-83538 I really have to emphasize again: the issue is NOT the four blocks from a 114th station to buildings around the transit center. That's not good, but most people can deal is. The issue is the 8+ blocks to all the destinations on the West side of downtown bellevue, which are ALREADY a longish walk from the transit center.
I really have to emphasize again: the issue is NOT the four blocks from a 114th station to buildings around the transit center. That’s not good, but most people can deal is.

The issue is the 8+ blocks to all the destinations on the West side of downtown bellevue, which are ALREADY a longish walk from the transit center.

]]> By: Martin H. Duke http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/11/17/kevin-wallaces-vision-line/#comment-83535 Martin H. Duke Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:26:19 +0000 http://seattletransitblog.com/?p=9845#comment-83535 Except that the cost per rider on B7 is about 5 times all the other B segment alternatives: http://www.soundtransit.org/Documents/pdf/projects/eastlink/deis/6_Alternatives_Evaluation.pdf (see page 15)
Except that the cost per rider on B7 is about 5 times all the other B segment alternatives:

http://www.soundtransit.org/Documents/pdf/projects/eastlink/deis/6_Alternatives_Evaluation.pdf

(see page 15)

]]> By: Jessica http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/11/17/kevin-wallaces-vision-line/#comment-83495 Jessica Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:30:15 +0000 http://seattletransitblog.com/?p=9845#comment-83495 Amen Erik!!
Amen Erik!!

]]> By: Jessica http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/11/17/kevin-wallaces-vision-line/#comment-83494 Jessica Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:28:14 +0000 http://seattletransitblog.com/?p=9845#comment-83494 People must have cars to live in Bellevue? I'm a Bellevue resident who takes buses & trains exclusively (of course: regulars here know why). No car for my brother & I
People must have cars to live in Bellevue?

I’m a Bellevue resident who takes buses & trains exclusively (of course: regulars here know why). No car for my brother & I

]]> By: Chris Stefan http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/11/17/kevin-wallaces-vision-line/#comment-83491 Chris Stefan Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:58:29 +0000 http://seattletransitblog.com/?p=9845#comment-83491 Yea, gotta keep that LOOT rail out of Bellevue or you'll be overrun with PS8Scum!
Yea, gotta keep that LOOT rail out of Bellevue or you’ll be overrun with PS8Scum!

]]> By: Chris Stefan http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/11/17/kevin-wallaces-vision-line/#comment-83487 Chris Stefan Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:39:58 +0000 http://seattletransitblog.com/?p=9845#comment-83487 Well we do have the projected ridership figures from the DEIS which show a drop in ridership the further from the transit center the station is. It isn't exactly rocket science to assume the further transit is from where people are going to or coming from the lower ridership will be.
Well we do have the projected ridership figures from the DEIS which show a drop in ridership the further from the transit center the station is. It isn’t exactly rocket science to assume the further transit is from where people are going to or coming from the lower ridership will be.

]]> By: Chris Stefan http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/11/17/kevin-wallaces-vision-line/#comment-83467 Chris Stefan Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:05:27 +0000 http://seattletransitblog.com/?p=9845#comment-83467 Oran, I'm willing to bet I could find people living in Surrey Downs who either favor an alignment other than B7 or are indifferent to the location. It reminds me of the situation with Children's Hospital in Laurelhurst. There are a number of people living in the neighborhood who favor the hospital expansion, however their voices are drowned out by the small number of well-organized opponents associated with the LCC. Now in the Children's Hospital case the LCC complaints have at least some merit because the city hearing examiner sided with the neighborhood group, which almost never happens.
Oran, I’m willing to bet I could find people living in Surrey Downs who either favor an alignment other than B7 or are indifferent to the location.

It reminds me of the situation with Children’s Hospital in Laurelhurst. There are a number of people living in the neighborhood who favor the hospital expansion, however their voices are drowned out by the small number of well-organized opponents associated with the LCC. Now in the Children’s Hospital case the LCC complaints have at least some merit because the city hearing examiner sided with the neighborhood group, which almost never happens.

]]> By: Bernie http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/11/17/kevin-wallaces-vision-line/#comment-83428 Bernie Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:20:08 +0000 http://seattletransitblog.com/?p=9845#comment-83428 It's exactly as you said in a different thread: <blockquote>It all depends on the walking experience. If it's interesting, relatively safe and comfortable, people will walk. </blockquote> And yes, there are ADA issues and that's something we must never forget but encouraging walking is not only good for the health of the nation it's pretty much essential to getting people out of the mind set that they not only have to drive to the gym but then circle the parking lot 3 times when they get there to find the spot closest to the door.
It’s exactly as you said in a different thread:

It all depends on the walking experience. If it’s interesting, relatively safe and comfortable, people will walk.

And yes, there are ADA issues and that’s something we must never forget but encouraging walking is not only good for the health of the nation it’s pretty much essential to getting people out of the mind set that they not only have to drive to the gym but then circle the parking lot 3 times when they get there to find the spot closest to the door.

]]> By: Oran Viriyincy http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/11/17/kevin-wallaces-vision-line/#comment-83427 Oran Viriyincy Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:11:40 +0000 http://seattletransitblog.com/?p=9845#comment-83427 It really isn't a big deal. I walk from the Municipal Tower to Pioneer Square Station all the time and that's with steep hills. Sometimes it's actually faster to walk the whole way than to walk down to the station to go within downtown. Even faster on a bike. I'd encourage more people to walk and bike more. I'm just wondering how many people would.
It really isn’t a big deal. I walk from the Municipal Tower to Pioneer Square Station all the time and that’s with steep hills. Sometimes it’s actually faster to walk the whole way than to walk down to the station to go within downtown. Even faster on a bike. I’d encourage more people to walk and bike more. I’m just wondering how many people would.

]]> By: Bernie http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/11/17/kevin-wallaces-vision-line/#comment-83421 Bernie Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:54:19 +0000 http://seattletransitblog.com/?p=9845#comment-83421 A four minute walk to the office isn't a big deal. I'd consider it a bonus; but then I more often than not opt for the 20 minute bike route to/from work than the 15 minute route and rarely take the 12 minute route. Now, a four minute walk to a transfer that's dicey to begin with, that's a different story. <em>Especially</em> if the headways are 15+ minutes.
A four minute walk to the office isn’t a big deal. I’d consider it a bonus; but then I more often than not opt for the 20 minute bike route to/from work than the 15 minute route and rarely take the 12 minute route. Now, a four minute walk to a transfer that’s dicey to begin with, that’s a different story. Especially if the headways are 15+ minutes.

]]> By: Oran Viriyincy http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/11/17/kevin-wallaces-vision-line/#comment-83420 Oran Viriyincy Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:50:52 +0000 http://seattletransitblog.com/?p=9845#comment-83420 We have a few routes where buses will hold for people to get off the Sounder train before leaving. We have buses that wait for people to get off the train at Tukwila to take them to the airport. Not sure why this is surprising to you.
We have a few routes where buses will hold for people to get off the Sounder train before leaving. We have buses that wait for people to get off the train at Tukwila to take them to the airport. Not sure why this is surprising to you.

]]> By: Bernie http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/11/17/kevin-wallaces-vision-line/#comment-83414 Bernie Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:21:06 +0000 http://seattletransitblog.com/?p=9845#comment-83414 Private bus? Each train at peak hours is going to be dumping off hundreds of people. That's why it's called public transportation. If you want a private bus that will be there when you want it and take you where you want try Shuttle Express. I know they'll do SEA and Portland for you. Neighbors around here seem to get pretty good service with Access. Service at 9PM on a Sunday, not a problem. Last Sunday around 6PM I was at Sears in Overlake, no kidding, up pulls an Access bus.
Private bus? Each train at peak hours is going to be dumping off hundreds of people. That’s why it’s called public transportation. If you want a private bus that will be there when you want it and take you where you want try Shuttle Express. I know they’ll do SEA and Portland for you. Neighbors around here seem to get pretty good service with Access. Service at 9PM on a Sunday, not a problem. Last Sunday around 6PM I was at Sears in Overlake, no kidding, up pulls an Access bus.

]]> By: Oran Viriyincy http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/11/17/kevin-wallaces-vision-line/#comment-83412 Oran Viriyincy Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:12:51 +0000 http://seattletransitblog.com/?p=9845#comment-83412 So far we haven't seen issues with crime on our light rail line as some people have feared.
So far we haven’t seen issues with crime on our light rail line as some people have feared.

]]> By: Oran Viriyincy http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/11/17/kevin-wallaces-vision-line/#comment-83410 Oran Viriyincy Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:10:52 +0000 http://seattletransitblog.com/?p=9845#comment-83410 It all depends on the walking experience. If it's interesting, relatively safe and comfortable, people will walk. The proposed covered walkway and the NE 6th path to Bellevue Square are nice. I can't say the same about the rest of Bellevue. The streets are too wide and the cars move too fast.
It all depends on the walking experience. If it’s interesting, relatively safe and comfortable, people will walk. The proposed covered walkway and the NE 6th path to Bellevue Square are nice. I can’t say the same about the rest of Bellevue. The streets are too wide and the cars move too fast.

]]> By: Oran Viriyincy http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/11/17/kevin-wallaces-vision-line/#comment-83404 Oran Viriyincy Fri, 20 Nov 2009 06:56:30 +0000 http://seattletransitblog.com/?p=9845#comment-83404 It's not 75%. It's more like 63% of the comments (not people) on the B segment support B7, with multiple comments from the same person. It's debatable whether that really represents what most people living along the East Link corridor support since there's self-selection bias. For all we know, most of it could have come from Surrey Downs residents.
It’s not 75%. It’s more like 63% of the comments (not people) on the B segment support B7, with multiple comments from the same person. It’s debatable whether that really represents what most people living along the East Link corridor support since there’s self-selection bias. For all we know, most of it could have come from Surrey Downs residents.

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