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	<title>Comments on: Legislators Back SR520 Option A+</title>
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		<title>By: Op-ed: A+ is the Transit-Friendly Option for SR520 - Seattle Transit Blog</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/11/17/legislators-back-sr520-option-a/#comment-88133</link>
		<dc:creator>Op-ed: A+ is the Transit-Friendly Option for SR520 - Seattle Transit Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 17:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] SR 520 Westside Design A+ is the transit friendly, financially affordable option and was recommended by the SR 520 State [...]</description>
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		<title>By: News Roundup: Keep Grace Crunican - Seattle Transit Blog</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/11/17/legislators-back-sr520-option-a/#comment-87374</link>
		<dc:creator>News Roundup: Keep Grace Crunican - Seattle Transit Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] County Council backs SR520 A+ option.  That pits them against Richard Conlin, Frank Chopp, and others, but with the legislative working [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mark Dublin</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/11/17/legislators-back-sr520-option-a/#comment-83593</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Dublin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul.

Thanks. Wasn&#039;t clear from video that there&#039;d be a street level stop for 520 service. My main concern was that through two-way service on 520 not miss Montlake entirely. Only thought is that when we do put real rapid transit on 520, a flyer-type station would work better.

As for property values, truth is noplace is bad enough for housing to be reasonable- price we pay for this really being a nice place to live, even though us Easterners are born and bred to complain and agitate.

Shouldn&#039;t have brought up property values in any case, since in current usage the two words contradict each other, and also common sense. Am dealing with neighbors who think a beautiful pine tree is lowering the value of their homes because it partially blocks a clear view of two miles of roofs with some water behind it.

Point about machinery versus scenery is for real, though. Ought to be a tax on every car- paid not in money but in trees.

Mark Dublin</description>
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Paul.</p>
<p>Thanks. Wasn&#8217;t clear from video that there&#8217;d be a street level stop for 520 service. My main concern was that through two-way service on 520 not miss Montlake entirely. Only thought is that when we do put real rapid transit on 520, a flyer-type station would work better.</p>
<p>As for property values, truth is noplace is bad enough for housing to be reasonable- price we pay for this really being a nice place to live, even though us Easterners are born and bred to complain and agitate.</p>
<p>Shouldn&#8217;t have brought up property values in any case, since in current usage the two words contradict each other, and also common sense. Am dealing with neighbors who think a beautiful pine tree is lowering the value of their homes because it partially blocks a clear view of two miles of roofs with some water behind it.</p>
<p>Point about machinery versus scenery is for real, though. Ought to be a tax on every car- paid not in money but in trees.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/11/17/legislators-back-sr520-option-a/#comment-83517</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1) The current 520 certainly hasn&#039;t put property values in Montlake in the dumpster.  I know I couldn&#039;t afford a house there, even one next to the freeway.

2)  Just want to point out again that the flyer stop at Montlake was removed in response to the neighborhood&#039;s desire to make the highway smaller.  WSDOT was going to integrate the flyer stop with the lid at Montlake Blvd.  Go take a look at the Draft EIS.

http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/Projects/SR520Bridge/DraftEIS.htm</description>
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1) The current 520 certainly hasn&#8217;t put property values in Montlake in the dumpster.  I know I couldn&#8217;t afford a house there, even one next to the freeway.</p>
<p>2)  Just want to point out again that the flyer stop at Montlake was removed in response to the neighborhood&#8217;s desire to make the highway smaller.  WSDOT was going to integrate the flyer stop with the lid at Montlake Blvd.  Go take a look at the Draft EIS.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Dublin</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/11/17/legislators-back-sr520-option-a/#comment-83511</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Dublin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t like paying for a park to keep a freeway-or a transit line- from destroying somebody else&#039;s neighborhood? How do you know where the next one is going to go? Could just close enough to your own house to put your property value in the dumpster, and just far enough away you don&#039;t get any compensation. Deal with that.

Think trees and plants are &quot;amenities&quot;? What about breathable air? We&#039;re not talking about scenery here, we&#039;re talking about the natural machinery we need to make life possible, let alone bearable. There&#039;s an old sci fi short story where aliens are buying up real estate to sell to non-air-breathing species, speculating that Earth will soon be oxygen-free. Can&#039;t fault the business-plan, but us eartlings still deserve a few rights.

Sorry, Ben- you don&#039;t put a major transit corridor through a neighborhood like Montlake and not give it a station, route 542 or not.Public transportation is for serving and improving the neighborhoods it goes through. Replace the current shabby platforms with a station people will enjoy using, built into the park. Lane problems- like the man said, deal with them. 

Underneath it all, though, I-5 reversible express lane setup really should take this whole project back to the boards. Idea of crippling a twenty-first-century corridor with an old twentieth century freeway, and a bad one at that, sucks like a black hole. We can&#039;t fix one without fixing them both. Call it stimulus, homeland security, and national security and fund accordingly.

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Don&#8217;t like paying for a park to keep a freeway-or a transit line- from destroying somebody else&#8217;s neighborhood? How do you know where the next one is going to go? Could just close enough to your own house to put your property value in the dumpster, and just far enough away you don&#8217;t get any compensation. Deal with that.</p>
<p>Think trees and plants are &#8220;amenities&#8221;? What about breathable air? We&#8217;re not talking about scenery here, we&#8217;re talking about the natural machinery we need to make life possible, let alone bearable. There&#8217;s an old sci fi short story where aliens are buying up real estate to sell to non-air-breathing species, speculating that Earth will soon be oxygen-free. Can&#8217;t fault the business-plan, but us eartlings still deserve a few rights.</p>
<p>Sorry, Ben- you don&#8217;t put a major transit corridor through a neighborhood like Montlake and not give it a station, route 542 or not.Public transportation is for serving and improving the neighborhoods it goes through. Replace the current shabby platforms with a station people will enjoy using, built into the park. Lane problems- like the man said, deal with them. </p>
<p>Underneath it all, though, I-5 reversible express lane setup really should take this whole project back to the boards. Idea of crippling a twenty-first-century corridor with an old twentieth century freeway, and a bad one at that, sucks like a black hole. We can&#8217;t fix one without fixing them both. Call it stimulus, homeland security, and national security and fund accordingly.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/11/17/legislators-back-sr520-option-a/#comment-83496</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the best hope for a rail alignment on 520 would be to exit the highway as soon as possible after coming off the west end of the floating bridge, rise above the navigation channel and head northwest towards the North Link stop at 45th where a joint station could be developed.  The line could continue towards Ballard and downtown via Wallingford and maybe the zoo.

UW seems like it would be a brick wall for any Pacific St alignment continuing west from Husky Stadium and terminating at the stadium doesn&#039;t make much sense.

Maybe some sort of convertible transit-only bridge could be built earlier to get buses from 520 to the heart of the U District more easily and quickly?  A 30-35 ft wide bridge across Union Bay would be a daunting permitting challenge, but much easier than the tunnels proposed under the cut (which ST and Metro do not appear to be enthusiastic about).  Such a structure could possibly also facilitate service to the U Village vicinity, which would probably be a better place to collect riders from the Ravenna/Wedgewood/Laurelhurst/Sand Point area.

A bus only structure would probably need to merge into the 45th St viaduct, while a rail line would tunnel into the hillside next to it.

In the meantime, I think A/A+ or some variation seems like the only reasonable and feasible option.  If you don&#039;t like it, start working on Option N.</description>
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I think the best hope for a rail alignment on 520 would be to exit the highway as soon as possible after coming off the west end of the floating bridge, rise above the navigation channel and head northwest towards the North Link stop at 45th where a joint station could be developed.  The line could continue towards Ballard and downtown via Wallingford and maybe the zoo.</p>
<p>UW seems like it would be a brick wall for any Pacific St alignment continuing west from Husky Stadium and terminating at the stadium doesn&#8217;t make much sense.</p>
<p>Maybe some sort of convertible transit-only bridge could be built earlier to get buses from 520 to the heart of the U District more easily and quickly?  A 30-35 ft wide bridge across Union Bay would be a daunting permitting challenge, but much easier than the tunnels proposed under the cut (which ST and Metro do not appear to be enthusiastic about).  Such a structure could possibly also facilitate service to the U Village vicinity, which would probably be a better place to collect riders from the Ravenna/Wedgewood/Laurelhurst/Sand Point area.</p>
<p>A bus only structure would probably need to merge into the 45th St viaduct, while a rail line would tunnel into the hillside next to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Bernie</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/11/17/legislators-back-sr520-option-a/#comment-83451</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WSDOT presents the &quot;conclusion&quot; they are commanded to by the legislature which controls their jobs. It doesn&#039;t matter if the depth of the lake or the length of the span are completely in error. And if called out on the facts they just redirect to another story. The only level at which public engagement can make a difference is the Governor. We&#039;re already building a bridge on stilts prior to a FEIS for the 520 corridor and there&#039;s nothing anyone can do about it.</description>
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WSDOT presents the &#8220;conclusion&#8221; they are commanded to by the legislature which controls their jobs. It doesn&#8217;t matter if the depth of the lake or the length of the span are completely in error. And if called out on the facts they just redirect to another story. The only level at which public engagement can make a difference is the Governor. We&#8217;re already building a bridge on stilts prior to a FEIS for the 520 corridor and there&#8217;s nothing anyone can do about it.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Bernie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bernie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even 2/3 of the traffic trying to merge back into two GP lanes isn&#039;t a winner. Merging three lanes into two is a bad deal. It might not be as bad as the current situation but just dropping the speed limit seems like a much better solution. WSDOT freely admits that a lower speed limit actually increases the throughput so what&#039;s the downside? Plus restricting the HOV lane at Montlake would encourage &lt;i&gt;more&lt;/i&gt; cars to exit there and the goal needs to be less cars at Montlake. Either we pay for the tunnel (option K+) or we limit traffic to what the current roadway can support. Bulldozing houses at Mountlake is not an acceptable option in my book. The problem is too many cars; more cars is not the solution.</description>
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Even 2/3 of the traffic trying to merge back into two GP lanes isn&#8217;t a winner. Merging three lanes into two is a bad deal. It might not be as bad as the current situation but just dropping the speed limit seems like a much better solution. WSDOT freely admits that a lower speed limit actually increases the throughput so what&#8217;s the downside? Plus restricting the HOV lane at Montlake would encourage <i>more</i> cars to exit there and the goal needs to be less cars at Montlake. Either we pay for the tunnel (option K+) or we limit traffic to what the current roadway can support. Bulldozing houses at Mountlake is not an acceptable option in my book. The problem is too many cars; more cars is not the solution.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Dubman</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/11/17/legislators-back-sr520-option-a/#comment-83447</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Dubman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The analysis I&#039;ve been referring to was done by WSDOT which has about a decade worth of it. I don&#039;t have it all online but I do have some of it in my head after hearing it explained enough times.

In a couple of months we&#039;ll have a whole lot of new information to pore over, in the form of the Supplemental Draft Environmental Impact Statement (SDEIS) and related appendices, and we&#039;ll have an opportunity to comment.

There&#039;s quite a lot posted now on WSDOT&#039;s site for the SR 520 project, and there&#039;s about 3000 pages of technical appendices from the last DEIS round for the die-hards like us. All that stuff is available in printed form at the Central Library and online.</description>
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The analysis I&#8217;ve been referring to was done by WSDOT which has about a decade worth of it. I don&#8217;t have it all online but I do have some of it in my head after hearing it explained enough times.</p>
<p>In a couple of months we&#8217;ll have a whole lot of new information to pore over, in the form of the Supplemental Draft Environmental Impact Statement (SDEIS) and related appendices, and we&#8217;ll have an opportunity to comment.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s quite a lot posted now on WSDOT&#8217;s site for the SR 520 project, and there&#8217;s about 3000 pages of technical appendices from the last DEIS round for the die-hards like us. All that stuff is available in printed form at the Central Library and online.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Dubman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Dubman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bernie&#039;s concern is legitimate. The traffic needs to be modeled. But it&#039;s a very different situation here from the Eastside where the HOV just ends. This is the segment of 520 after the traffic heading to the UW has gotten off, and before additional traffic has gotten on. About a third of the traffic gets off in the Montlake area. So the volume on the mainline underneath Montlake Blvd. isn&#039;t nearly as high as it is across the lake for that stretch. So maybe it will work.</description>
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Bernie&#8217;s concern is legitimate. The traffic needs to be modeled. But it&#8217;s a very different situation here from the Eastside where the HOV just ends. This is the segment of 520 after the traffic heading to the UW has gotten off, and before additional traffic has gotten on. About a third of the traffic gets off in the Montlake area. So the volume on the mainline underneath Montlake Blvd. isn&#8217;t nearly as high as it is across the lake for that stretch. So maybe it will work.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: alexjonlin</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/11/17/legislators-back-sr520-option-a/#comment-83394</link>
		<dc:creator>alexjonlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 05:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about reinstating the Kirkland-UW POF but as an all day service once the economy gets better?</description>
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		<title>By: alexjonlin</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/11/17/legislators-back-sr520-option-a/#comment-83391</link>
		<dc:creator>alexjonlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 05:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bernie, every morning when I ride the 48 to Garfield HS, at least 5 people get off at 520 to go to the flyer station. I&#039;m not sure where these people specifically are coming from, but I know a lot of people do ride a bus that will get them down there then transfer at the Montlake Flyer Stop. The stop is about a mile from Campus Parkway and a mile and half from 45th &amp; the Ave, so pretty much everyone from campus up there and from the heart of the U District who&#039;s trying to get to the flyer stop takes the bus.</description>
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Bernie, every morning when I ride the 48 to Garfield HS, at least 5 people get off at 520 to go to the flyer station. I&#8217;m not sure where these people specifically are coming from, but I know a lot of people do ride a bus that will get them down there then transfer at the Montlake Flyer Stop. The stop is about a mile from Campus Parkway and a mile and half from 45th &amp; the Ave, so pretty much everyone from campus up there and from the heart of the U District who&#8217;s trying to get to the flyer stop takes the bus.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Deb Eddy</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/11/17/legislators-back-sr520-option-a/#comment-83366</link>
		<dc:creator>Deb Eddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 04:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martin - I&#039;ve asked my legislative assistant to get in touch with you and figure out some time we sit down, talk through the transit implications of A+.  If you don&#039;t receive her email, let me know through deb@debeddy.net.  Ben -- let&#039;s talk through the viaduct/SR520 implications. Everything is in flux right now, and our better selves should prevail.  /deb</description>
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Martin &#8211; I&#8217;ve asked my legislative assistant to get in touch with you and figure out some time we sit down, talk through the transit implications of A+.  If you don&#8217;t receive her email, let me know through <a href="mailto:deb@debeddy.net">deb@debeddy.net</a>.  Ben &#8212; let&#8217;s talk through the viaduct/SR520 implications. Everything is in flux right now, and our better selves should prevail.  /deb<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Bernie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bernie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 03:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think that would work. You&#039;d have basically the same situation you do know where the HOV lane just ends and three lanes get funneled down to two creating miles of backups. Why not just lower the speed limit west of Montlake to whatever speed the buses can safely merge at?</description>
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I don&#8217;t think that would work. You&#8217;d have basically the same situation you do know where the HOV lane just ends and three lanes get funneled down to two creating miles of backups. Why not just lower the speed limit west of Montlake to whatever speed the buses can safely merge at?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Dubman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Dubman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 01:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben is correct on this point, as are those who say that maintaining (or more precisely, rebuilding) some kind of stops on the highway itself for downtown-Eastside buses would add additional options, particularly during off-peak hours when headways are greater, or for destinations which have infrequent service (e.g. Duvall, Issaquah).

I&#039;m for more transit options, all else being equal. Until recently it appeared that all else was far from equal, that the only way to get those stops back was to add another 2 lanes (for bus acceleration / deceleration) all the way up to I-5. While this seems excessive, WSDOT maintained it was necessary in the new highway design to provide a safe merge back into a fast-flowing HOV lane on a 5% grade with a loaded bus.

Recently it occurred to me that we can get the stops back if we convert the HOV lanes on Portage Bay to transit-only use. Carpools are better than SOV&#039;s, but in my view, transit is the most important, so I&#039;d like to see that concept explored.

The general purpose lanes on 520 are allegedly going to be flowing better with modern highway geometry and tolling. If that&#039;s true, the carpools and vanpools would not be so inconvenienced by getting kicked out of an HOV lane for maybe 1500 feet. So maybe everybody can win on this one.</description>
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Ben is correct on this point, as are those who say that maintaining (or more precisely, rebuilding) some kind of stops on the highway itself for downtown-Eastside buses would add additional options, particularly during off-peak hours when headways are greater, or for destinations which have infrequent service (e.g. Duvall, Issaquah).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m for more transit options, all else being equal. Until recently it appeared that all else was far from equal, that the only way to get those stops back was to add another 2 lanes (for bus acceleration / deceleration) all the way up to I-5. While this seems excessive, WSDOT maintained it was necessary in the new highway design to provide a safe merge back into a fast-flowing HOV lane on a 5% grade with a loaded bus.</p>
<p>Recently it occurred to me that we can get the stops back if we convert the HOV lanes on Portage Bay to transit-only use. Carpools are better than SOV&#8217;s, but in my view, transit is the most important, so I&#8217;d like to see that concept explored.</p>
<p>The general purpose lanes on 520 are allegedly going to be flowing better with modern highway geometry and tolling. If that&#8217;s true, the carpools and vanpools would not be so inconvenienced by getting kicked out of an HOV lane for maybe 1500 feet. So maybe everybody can win on this one.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Chris Stefan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 00:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huh? What do you mean &quot;won&#039;t have high bus traffic&quot;? There are already a number of routes going from the UW to the Eastside through this corridor. If you are going to have a Northend route mirroring the 545 and the 255 so the flyer stop can go away you will almost certainly increase the transit traffic using the Montlake exits.</description>
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Huh? What do you mean &#8220;won&#8217;t have high bus traffic&#8221;? There are already a number of routes going from the UW to the Eastside through this corridor. If you are going to have a Northend route mirroring the 545 and the 255 so the flyer stop can go away you will almost certainly increase the transit traffic using the Montlake exits.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Ben Schiendelman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Schiendelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw the funding, and it&#039;s great! There may need to be more money - 24,000 hours isn&#039;t that much bus service for the corridor when split between two or three routes, but it&#039;s a good start on top of what Sound Transit already provides.

If there&#039;s one thing I&#039;d like to see out of the funding crisis - if you were to move Viaduct money to SR-520, you might get local approval.</description>
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I saw the funding, and it&#8217;s great! There may need to be more money &#8211; 24,000 hours isn&#8217;t that much bus service for the corridor when split between two or three routes, but it&#8217;s a good start on top of what Sound Transit already provides.</p>
<p>If there&#8217;s one thing I&#8217;d like to see out of the funding crisis &#8211; if you were to move Viaduct money to SR-520, you might get local approval.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Ben Schiendelman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Schiendelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 22:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, it looks like the HOV access is from the north only, as it is today. I think that&#039;s fine, we won&#039;t have high bus traffic there.</description>
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Yes, it looks like the HOV access is from the north only, as it is today. I think that&#8217;s fine, we won&#8217;t have high bus traffic there.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Ben Schiendelman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Schiendelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 22:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, that&#039;s great. I notice that A has the lowest wetlands impact other than the no-build.</description>
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Thanks, that&#8217;s great. I notice that A has the lowest wetlands impact other than the no-build.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Dubman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Dubman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 22:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought Ben was referring to the entire interchange, but it turned out he was actually just referring to the cloverleaf. That is largely the same as what&#039;s there, but not quite. The free right turn lane to southbound Montlake is extended quite a ways back and a commercial property is impacted.

In the final revision to A+ before it went public, a HOV direct access ramp (providing eastbound HOV direct access to 520 from the north only) was added on the east side of Montlake Blvd. which removes it from the loop ramp; the HOV lane would be deleted from the loop ramp, thus eliminating HOV bypass access from the south.

In either case, it&#039;s not quite the same, but fairly close to what&#039;s there, compared to the rest of the interchange, which is indeed quite different (and much bigger.)</description>
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I thought Ben was referring to the entire interchange, but it turned out he was actually just referring to the cloverleaf. That is largely the same as what&#8217;s there, but not quite. The free right turn lane to southbound Montlake is extended quite a ways back and a commercial property is impacted.</p>
<p>In the final revision to A+ before it went public, a HOV direct access ramp (providing eastbound HOV direct access to 520 from the north only) was added on the east side of Montlake Blvd. which removes it from the loop ramp; the HOV lane would be deleted from the loop ramp, thus eliminating HOV bypass access from the south.</p>
<p>In either case, it&#8217;s not quite the same, but fairly close to what&#8217;s there, compared to the rest of the interchange, which is indeed quite different (and much bigger.)<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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