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		<title>By: News Roundup: Safety Incidents - Seattle Transit Blog</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/12/03/vehicle-miles-traveled-tax-dead/#comment-105617</link>
		<dc:creator>News Roundup: Safety Incidents - Seattle Transit Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 21:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Anc</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/12/03/vehicle-miles-traveled-tax-dead/#comment-87560</link>
		<dc:creator>Anc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 17:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tony, I was talking more about people moving out of state.  Fact is most states with similar employment opportunities have similar political bents, so if you get them together most people will not just be able to jump ship and avoid the taxes, not if they want to maintain their job.  

Although close to the borders direct tax avoidance might also be a slight problem.  The higher the disparity in prices the bigger the problem.  Get it high enough and the savings will cover the drive with only a few 5 gallon jugs.  

However if the tax was only a county thing, which it appears it might be the only possibility in WA then that kind of avoidance would be much MUCH more prevalent.</description>
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Tony, I was talking more about people moving out of state.  Fact is most states with similar employment opportunities have similar political bents, so if you get them together most people will not just be able to jump ship and avoid the taxes, not if they want to maintain their job.  </p>
<p>Although close to the borders direct tax avoidance might also be a slight problem.  The higher the disparity in prices the bigger the problem.  Get it high enough and the savings will cover the drive with only a few 5 gallon jugs.  </p>
<p>However if the tax was only a county thing, which it appears it might be the only possibility in WA then that kind of avoidance would be much MUCH more prevalent.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Anc</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/12/03/vehicle-miles-traveled-tax-dead/#comment-87558</link>
		<dc:creator>Anc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 17:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aye, I can&#039;t speak for France, but Germany has a much better transport even for it&#039;s smaller cities.  I lived in Heidelberg which is a small town, only a little larger than Bellevue, but has an extensive street car network, and then a bus service feeding it, and running in areas like the old city where you couldn&#039;t put rail down.  Also there was a Strassenbahn (Tram) the 5R that made a big 1:45 or so loop through the Neckar Valley hitting up surounding villages.  And by villages a mean only a few shops on the street at the stop, tiny little things.  But it came every 15 to 20 minutes, picking people up and taking them to Heidelberg, Weinheim, and Mannheim and to their Main Train Stations.   Also it was the only tram that was ACed, and my flat wasn&#039;t either, so I&#039;d just get on and do a loop to have a cool place to do homework. LOL

http://www.urbanrail.net/eu/vrn/hd/heidelberg.htm


Begin personal testimony. Skip if it isn&#039;t your thing.

 I used the Strassenbahn everyday to get from my flat off of Handschuhsheim to class (Adenauerplatz), to the Altstadt for hanging out (Bismarkplatz) and a couple times a week to the Main Train Station (Hauptbahnhof) to catch the S-bahn to Mannheim where my friend lived.  As someone from bumf*** Alabama where your life was defined by your car andit was an hours drive to city where you actually do anything it was quite an experience.  

I&#039;ve been in love ever since.  


Needless to say I was quite disappointed when I got to Seattle, after all my times and travels in Europe and the only big American cities I had spent alot of time in were Boston and NYC and I was hoping for a similar, if smaller transit system.</description>
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Aye, I can&#8217;t speak for France, but Germany has a much better transport even for it&#8217;s smaller cities.  I lived in Heidelberg which is a small town, only a little larger than Bellevue, but has an extensive street car network, and then a bus service feeding it, and running in areas like the old city where you couldn&#8217;t put rail down.  Also there was a Strassenbahn (Tram) the 5R that made a big 1:45 or so loop through the Neckar Valley hitting up surounding villages.  And by villages a mean only a few shops on the street at the stop, tiny little things.  But it came every 15 to 20 minutes, picking people up and taking them to Heidelberg, Weinheim, and Mannheim and to their Main Train Stations.   Also it was the only tram that was ACed, and my flat wasn&#8217;t either, so I&#8217;d just get on and do a loop to have a cool place to do homework. LOL</p>
<p><a href="http://www.urbanrail.net/eu/vrn/hd/heidelberg.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.urbanrail.net/eu/vrn/hd/heidelberg.htm</a></p>
<p>Begin personal testimony. Skip if it isn&#8217;t your thing.</p>
<p> I used the Strassenbahn everyday to get from my flat off of Handschuhsheim to class (Adenauerplatz), to the Altstadt for hanging out (Bismarkplatz) and a couple times a week to the Main Train Station (Hauptbahnhof) to catch the S-bahn to Mannheim where my friend lived.  As someone from bumf*** Alabama where your life was defined by your car andit was an hours drive to city where you actually do anything it was quite an experience.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been in love ever since.  </p>
<p>Needless to say I was quite disappointed when I got to Seattle, after all my times and travels in Europe and the only big American cities I had spent alot of time in were Boston and NYC and I was hoping for a similar, if smaller transit system.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: barman</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/12/03/vehicle-miles-traveled-tax-dead/#comment-87473</link>
		<dc:creator>barman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 05:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re crazy if you think gas will be $10 a gallon by next year. Maybe you&#039;re not aware how many barrels of oil the US has in reserve? A spike of gas prices that high would create absolute chaos and the government is smart enough to never let that happen.

I support higher gas taxes to pay for transit but seriously, this zealotry is alarming.</description>
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You&#8217;re crazy if you think gas will be $10 a gallon by next year. Maybe you&#8217;re not aware how many barrels of oil the US has in reserve? A spike of gas prices that high would create absolute chaos and the government is smart enough to never let that happen.</p>
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		<title>By: barman</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/12/03/vehicle-miles-traveled-tax-dead/#comment-87470</link>
		<dc:creator>barman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 05:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What? We most certainly do not have better transit than any comparable cities in France. Please name one. Not to mention that city-to-city transit is far easier and cheaper with SNCF than Amtrak ever could imagine.

Anyway, French cities are denser, roads are smaller, and cars are just generally more expensive so driving is impractical for a number of reasons.</description>
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What? We most certainly do not have better transit than any comparable cities in France. Please name one. Not to mention that city-to-city transit is far easier and cheaper with SNCF than Amtrak ever could imagine.</p>
<p>Anyway, French cities are denser, roads are smaller, and cars are just generally more expensive so driving is impractical for a number of reasons.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Anc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 19:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, I don&#039;t disagree with that at all, and in fact am an advocate of gradual increase of oil taxation to European levels.   All I am disagreeing with is a policy of &#039;shock therapy&#039; where we radically increase the price without giving proper time for the economy to adjust.  

You&#039;ve got to realize that our entire way of life, everything from where we live, to what we eat, to how we get our goods, is based on the assumption of cheap fuel.  Take that away too quickly and you have a recipe for disaster.</description>
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Chris, I don&#8217;t disagree with that at all, and in fact am an advocate of gradual increase of oil taxation to European levels.   All I am disagreeing with is a policy of &#8216;shock therapy&#8217; where we radically increase the price without giving proper time for the economy to adjust.  </p>
<p>You&#8217;ve got to realize that our entire way of life, everything from where we live, to what we eat, to how we get our goods, is based on the assumption of cheap fuel.  Take that away too quickly and you have a recipe for disaster.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Erik G.</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/12/03/vehicle-miles-traveled-tax-dead/#comment-87293</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t that the same Slade Gorton of Gloucester (cousin of Jennifer Dunn Lumber, mother of MLKC Councilman Reagan who was named for a president...how strange!) who was voted out of office in favor of new thinking?  

Timber/Fishing vs. Information economies, folks.  Look it up and study the history of your region!!

Timber/Fishing almost destroyed the region.  Information is saving it.

The world of 1974 (which should have been aware of the 1973 oil shock) is long gone and 35 years later the 18th amendment needs to be revisited.  Not that I have any hopes for this to happen under a Kemper-lacky like McKenna.</description>
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Isn&#8217;t that the same Slade Gorton of Gloucester (cousin of Jennifer Dunn Lumber, mother of MLKC Councilman Reagan who was named for a president&#8230;how strange!) who was voted out of office in favor of new thinking?  </p>
<p>Timber/Fishing vs. Information economies, folks.  Look it up and study the history of your region!!</p>
<p>Timber/Fishing almost destroyed the region.  Information is saving it.</p>
<p>The world of 1974 (which should have been aware of the 1973 oil shock) is long gone and 35 years later the 18th amendment needs to be revisited.  Not that I have any hopes for this to happen under a Kemper-lacky like McKenna.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Erik G.</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/12/03/vehicle-miles-traveled-tax-dead/#comment-87288</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;l be fun watching the gas tax revenues dry up when gas is $10/gallon next year and more and more people are driving electrics or Natural Gas vehicles in the coming decade.

The Highway Trust Fund was bankrupt last summer folks.  Wake up!!</description>
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It&#8217;l be fun watching the gas tax revenues dry up when gas is $10/gallon next year and more and more people are driving electrics or Natural Gas vehicles in the coming decade.</p>
<p>The Highway Trust Fund was bankrupt last summer folks.  Wake up!!<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Martin H. Duke</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/12/03/vehicle-miles-traveled-tax-dead/#comment-87264</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin H. Duke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 15:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tony,

I&#039;m really doubtful that&#039;s the case.  In many cases the bus is already cheaper than driving, and fares are subsidized by employers and the tax system.  I think the big deterrents to transit use are pedestrian design, convenience, and quality of ride -- issues that light rail is meant to address.

The case where transit is clearly not cheaper is the two-mile hop to the store.  There, the cost of driving is nominal and the time required to walk to the stop and wait for a bus overwhelms everything else.

Not having fares at all does make things more convenient, although it also encourages the &quot;rolling homeless shelter&quot; phenomenon that makes riding unappealing for many people.

Of course there&#039;s some price sensitivity, but I don&#039;t think nominal fares would solve many problems.</description>
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Tony,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m really doubtful that&#8217;s the case.  In many cases the bus is already cheaper than driving, and fares are subsidized by employers and the tax system.  I think the big deterrents to transit use are pedestrian design, convenience, and quality of ride &#8212; issues that light rail is meant to address.</p>
<p>The case where transit is clearly not cheaper is the two-mile hop to the store.  There, the cost of driving is nominal and the time required to walk to the stop and wait for a bus overwhelms everything else.</p>
<p>Not having fares at all does make things more convenient, although it also encourages the &#8220;rolling homeless shelter&#8221; phenomenon that makes riding unappealing for many people.</p>
<p>Of course there&#8217;s some price sensitivity, but I don&#8217;t think nominal fares would solve many problems.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Chris Stefan</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/12/03/vehicle-miles-traveled-tax-dead/#comment-87260</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 15:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anc,
I&#039;d rather the price increases came via taxes rather than sudden oil shocks. At least fuel taxes could be put toward building alternatives and would discourage consumption. Europe functions just fine with much higher fuel prices than the US.

Realistically in Washington we&#039;re more likely talking about a modest increase in the excise tax on fuel (with perhaps automatic inflation indexing added on). If we&#039;re really lucky we&#039;ll also get the sales tax extended to fuel sales which won&#039;t be restricted to only highway uses.</description>
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Anc,<br />
I&#8217;d rather the price increases came via taxes rather than sudden oil shocks. At least fuel taxes could be put toward building alternatives and would discourage consumption. Europe functions just fine with much higher fuel prices than the US.</p>
<p>Realistically in Washington we&#8217;re more likely talking about a modest increase in the excise tax on fuel (with perhaps automatic inflation indexing added on). If we&#8217;re really lucky we&#8217;ll also get the sales tax extended to fuel sales which won&#8217;t be restricted to only highway uses.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Mathew "RennDawg" Renner</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/12/03/vehicle-miles-traveled-tax-dead/#comment-87242</link>
		<dc:creator>Mathew "RennDawg" Renner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 11:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not think that the gas tax will be raised for one reson. 2010 is an election year. No one raises taxes when there re-election is at stake.</description>
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I do not think that the gas tax will be raised for one reson. 2010 is an election year. No one raises taxes when there re-election is at stake.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Anc</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/12/03/vehicle-miles-traveled-tax-dead/#comment-87232</link>
		<dc:creator>Anc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 09:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree, our entire system is built around cheap petroleum, take that away and the system collapses.  

Food prices would skyrocket until we moved away from our current specialized, industrialized food system into a more localized diversified production and distribution system.  Something that can&#039;t be done overnight.

Everyday consumer items would skyrocket as the price for shipping increased 3 fold if not more.  Until more rail capacity could be built, something that couldn&#039;t be done overnight.

Home prices in the outlying suburbs would plummet as the cost of living there would rise substantially.  You&#039;d be looking at the housing bubble all overagain.   Also your rent and home prices close to employment centers would skyrocket until more capacity could be built, something that couldn&#039;t be done overnight.

Our entire lifestyle is structured around cheap fuel, you take that away without giving the economy YEARS to restructure, and that is a recipe for disaster.  I&#039;m talking food riots, unemployment and homelessness rates going through the roof... it would not be pretty.</description>
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I disagree, our entire system is built around cheap petroleum, take that away and the system collapses.  </p>
<p>Food prices would skyrocket until we moved away from our current specialized, industrialized food system into a more localized diversified production and distribution system.  Something that can&#8217;t be done overnight.</p>
<p>Everyday consumer items would skyrocket as the price for shipping increased 3 fold if not more.  Until more rail capacity could be built, something that couldn&#8217;t be done overnight.</p>
<p>Home prices in the outlying suburbs would plummet as the cost of living there would rise substantially.  You&#8217;d be looking at the housing bubble all overagain.   Also your rent and home prices close to employment centers would skyrocket until more capacity could be built, something that couldn&#8217;t be done overnight.</p>
<p>Our entire lifestyle is structured around cheap fuel, you take that away without giving the economy YEARS to restructure, and that is a recipe for disaster.  I&#8217;m talking food riots, unemployment and homelessness rates going through the roof&#8230; it would not be pretty.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Tony the Economist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony the Economist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 07:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That actually depends on what you do with the revenue. If you used the revenue to reduce sales or income taxes by an equivalent amount the overall effect on the economy would be minimal. Yes, people would move quickly to make substitutions, but it would not put the economy into a meltdown. Even the government spent the money rather than rebating in through reductions in other taxes, the jobs created by the expanded government spending would boost the economy even as the gas tax depressed other sectors.

In fact, a rapid increase in the gas tax might actually be a good thing for the economy, as it would give people a huge incentive to spend lots of money investing in ways to reduce their VMT. Demand for new, fuel efficient cars would skyrocket.

Politically, it would be a loser. Economically, it would be somewhere between a non-issue and a boon depending on how it was implemented.</description>
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That actually depends on what you do with the revenue. If you used the revenue to reduce sales or income taxes by an equivalent amount the overall effect on the economy would be minimal. Yes, people would move quickly to make substitutions, but it would not put the economy into a meltdown. Even the government spent the money rather than rebating in through reductions in other taxes, the jobs created by the expanded government spending would boost the economy even as the gas tax depressed other sectors.</p>
<p>In fact, a rapid increase in the gas tax might actually be a good thing for the economy, as it would give people a huge incentive to spend lots of money investing in ways to reduce their VMT. Demand for new, fuel efficient cars would skyrocket.</p>
<p>Politically, it would be a loser. Economically, it would be somewhere between a non-issue and a boon depending on how it was implemented.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Tony the Economist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony the Economist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 07:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we actually wanted to decrease congestion, decrease VMT, increase social equity and generally make everyone&#039;s lives better we would lower transit fares to zero, or some nominal amount just high enough to discourage frivolous travel.

Would it cost hundreds of millions of dollars per year? Yes. Would it increase transit ridership about 20x as much per dollar spent than building light rail? Yes.

Transit fares are an unimaginably wasteful policy based primarily on racism (white people resenting the idea of giving primarily black bus riders a &quot;free ride&quot;). Most transit agencies spend more money collecting fares than they actually make off of them.</description>
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If we actually wanted to decrease congestion, decrease VMT, increase social equity and generally make everyone&#8217;s lives better we would lower transit fares to zero, or some nominal amount just high enough to discourage frivolous travel.</p>
<p>Would it cost hundreds of millions of dollars per year? Yes. Would it increase transit ridership about 20x as much per dollar spent than building light rail? Yes.</p>
<p>Transit fares are an unimaginably wasteful policy based primarily on racism (white people resenting the idea of giving primarily black bus riders a &#8220;free ride&#8221;). Most transit agencies spend more money collecting fares than they actually make off of them.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Tony the Economist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony the Economist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 06:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose it might be possible for someone living in Vancouver or Spokane Valley to grab some gas on the other side of the border if they were going there anyway, but seriously, it takes a 1/10 of a tank of gas to travel across the state line to fill up and come back even if you do live on the border. Assuming $3 per gallon, oregon or idaho&#039;s gas tax would have to be $0.30 &lt;i&gt;less&lt;/i&gt; than ours in order for it to make any sense to try to cheat, and even if their tax were to be $1 less than ours, only a tiny fraction of Washingtonians live close enough to the border for it to be economically viable and of that tiny fraction, a much, much tinier fraction is actually crazy enough to do it. Really, gas tax cheating across state lines is simply too small an issue to worry about.</description>
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I suppose it might be possible for someone living in Vancouver or Spokane Valley to grab some gas on the other side of the border if they were going there anyway, but seriously, it takes a 1/10 of a tank of gas to travel across the state line to fill up and come back even if you do live on the border. Assuming $3 per gallon, oregon or idaho&#8217;s gas tax would have to be $0.30 <i>less</i> than ours in order for it to make any sense to try to cheat, and even if their tax were to be $1 less than ours, only a tiny fraction of Washingtonians live close enough to the border for it to be economically viable and of that tiny fraction, a much, much tinier fraction is actually crazy enough to do it. Really, gas tax cheating across state lines is simply too small an issue to worry about.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Oran Viriyincy</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/12/03/vehicle-miles-traveled-tax-dead/#comment-87170</link>
		<dc:creator>Oran Viriyincy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 02:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The state has a goal &lt;a href=&quot;http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=47.01.440&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;codified in law&lt;/a&gt; of reducing annual per capita VMT by 18% by 2020, 30% by 2035, 50% by 2050. So if the state follows through with these goals, would a VMT tax be considered a sustainable revenue source?</description>
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The state has a goal <a href="http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=47.01.440" rel="nofollow">codified in law</a> of reducing annual per capita VMT by 18% by 2020, 30% by 2035, 50% by 2050. So if the state follows through with these goals, would a VMT tax be considered a sustainable revenue source?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Greenwood Rider</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/12/03/vehicle-miles-traveled-tax-dead/#comment-87166</link>
		<dc:creator>Greenwood Rider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 02:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Lowry administration proposed a sales tax on gas.  There&#039;s no reason this could not be done other than the challenge of passing it into law.

The issue with the gas tax is simply exhaustion.  It&#039;s been tried and tried again to raise it - here and across the country - but those who decide what passes as insider knowledge are united that raising the gas tax is politically expensive.

Kudos to Martin for raising the key issues with a VMT tax.  It is similar to a gas tax, but without any incentive to improve fuel efficiency.  There are other problems as well -- (1) it will be much more expensive to collect VMT taxes than gas taxes are, (2) it is not indexed to rise with inflation so has the same revenue issues as the gas tax, and (3) it will be just as hard to raise as the gas tax is.

My concern with VMT taxes is that, after  huge battle to institute them, we will find ourself with a new tax that has all of the same disadvantages as the current one, without providing the incentive to improve fuel efficiency.

This is an issue that needs a lot more critical questioning - thanks for raising it.</description>
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The Lowry administration proposed a sales tax on gas.  There&#8217;s no reason this could not be done other than the challenge of passing it into law.</p>
<p>The issue with the gas tax is simply exhaustion.  It&#8217;s been tried and tried again to raise it &#8211; here and across the country &#8211; but those who decide what passes as insider knowledge are united that raising the gas tax is politically expensive.</p>
<p>Kudos to Martin for raising the key issues with a VMT tax.  It is similar to a gas tax, but without any incentive to improve fuel efficiency.  There are other problems as well &#8212; (1) it will be much more expensive to collect VMT taxes than gas taxes are, (2) it is not indexed to rise with inflation so has the same revenue issues as the gas tax, and (3) it will be just as hard to raise as the gas tax is.</p>
<p>My concern with VMT taxes is that, after  huge battle to institute them, we will find ourself with a new tax that has all of the same disadvantages as the current one, without providing the incentive to improve fuel efficiency.</p>
<p>This is an issue that needs a lot more critical questioning &#8211; thanks for raising it.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Bernie</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/12/03/vehicle-miles-traveled-tax-dead/#comment-87152</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 01:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That of course should have been 24mpg, not 24mph. But 24mph during peak commute would be an improvement in a lot of places; like say the HOV lanes through Bellevue :=</description>
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That of course should have been 24mpg, not 24mph. But 24mph during peak commute would be an improvement in a lot of places; like say the HOV lanes through Bellevue :=<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Anc</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/12/03/vehicle-miles-traveled-tax-dead/#comment-87151</link>
		<dc:creator>Anc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 01:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gradually yes, however it must be over the course of years.  You are talking about a 3 fold increase.  Done too quickly and the shocks would make this current recession look like the roaring 90s.  The economy would suffer a complete meltdown. Complete.</description>
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Gradually yes, however it must be over the course of years.  You are talking about a 3 fold increase.  Done too quickly and the shocks would make this current recession look like the roaring 90s.  The economy would suffer a complete meltdown. Complete.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Chris Stefan</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/12/03/vehicle-miles-traveled-tax-dead/#comment-87149</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 00:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lots higher, like enough to raise the price of fuel to what it is in say France, Germany, or Sweden.</description>
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Lots higher, like enough to raise the price of fuel to what it is in say France, Germany, or Sweden.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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