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		<title>By: House Jobs Bill: $9.2 Billion for Transit &#38; Amtrak - Seattle Transit Blog</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/12/10/federal-transportation-bill-moves-foward/#comment-90313</link>
		<dc:creator>House Jobs Bill: $9.2 Billion for Transit &#38; Amtrak - Seattle Transit Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the Obama administration proposal to allocate $50 billion in competitive transportation grants, this bill mostly allocates along the same lines as the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mike Orr</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/12/10/federal-transportation-bill-moves-foward/#comment-89857</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Orr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So this is a federal transportation grant, designed to improve the transit infrastructure throughout the country.  Washington state is part of the country, so there&#039;s nothing wrong with it taking its share.  You can argue that the whole concept of a federal transportation grant is illegitimate, but given that it exists, there&#039;s no reason for Washington to not claim its share and allow it all to go to other states.

One can even claim that Washington deserves a larger than average share because we&#039;ve proven we can put it to good use. Washington has steadily improved its non-automobile infrastructure over the past two decades, partly with its own investments. Most other states have not done as much.

One issue might be whether Cantwell is bypassing the decision process to favor Washington, as opposed to letting all states come equally to the grant board. I don&#039;t know the details of this situation enough to know whether this is the case.</description>
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So this is a federal transportation grant, designed to improve the transit infrastructure throughout the country.  Washington state is part of the country, so there&#8217;s nothing wrong with it taking its share.  You can argue that the whole concept of a federal transportation grant is illegitimate, but given that it exists, there&#8217;s no reason for Washington to not claim its share and allow it all to go to other states.</p>
<p>One can even claim that Washington deserves a larger than average share because we&#8217;ve proven we can put it to good use. Washington has steadily improved its non-automobile infrastructure over the past two decades, partly with its own investments. Most other states have not done as much.</p>
<p>One issue might be whether Cantwell is bypassing the decision process to favor Washington, as opposed to letting all states come equally to the grant board. I don&#8217;t know the details of this situation enough to know whether this is the case.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Mathew "RennDawg" Renner</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/12/10/federal-transportation-bill-moves-foward/#comment-89727</link>
		<dc:creator>Mathew "RennDawg" Renner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My beliefes could summed up as &quot;follow the Constitution as intended or amended.&quot; There are things in the constitution that needed to be changed. They were changed through the amendment process. So that takes care of the three-fifths rule and only white rich land owners only getting the vote.

I am against goverment funding any religious institute. Not for the reasons you think. This, like gay marriage, will lead to goverment take over of religion. I am against goverment recoginizing marriage. Marriage is a religious institute. As far as I am consern if it not religious it is not marriage.</description>
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My beliefes could summed up as &#8220;follow the Constitution as intended or amended.&#8221; There are things in the constitution that needed to be changed. They were changed through the amendment process. So that takes care of the three-fifths rule and only white rich land owners only getting the vote.</p>
<p>I am against goverment funding any religious institute. Not for the reasons you think. This, like gay marriage, will lead to goverment take over of religion. I am against goverment recoginizing marriage. Marriage is a religious institute. As far as I am consern if it not religious it is not marriage.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Mickymse</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/12/10/federal-transportation-bill-moves-foward/#comment-89548</link>
		<dc:creator>Mickymse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; an Original Intent Constitutionalist, Mathew, or only when it&#039;s convenient?

So, you think only rich, white male landowners should be allowed to vote, then?

You&#039;d support government funding for Jewish &amp; Muslim institutions along with Christian institutions?

You&#039;d support stripping away corporate &quot;personhood&quot;?

Since major religious institutions in this country (see Episcopalianss, UCC Church, Reform Judaism, and others) support not only LGBT people, but same-sex marriage, you&#039;re fine with the federal government recognizing marriages solemnized by those faiths?

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Are you <i>really</i> an Original Intent Constitutionalist, Mathew, or only when it&#8217;s convenient?</p>
<p>So, you think only rich, white male landowners should be allowed to vote, then?</p>
<p>You&#8217;d support government funding for Jewish &amp; Muslim institutions along with Christian institutions?</p>
<p>You&#8217;d support stripping away corporate &#8220;personhood&#8221;?</p>
<p>Since major religious institutions in this country (see Episcopalianss, UCC Church, Reform Judaism, and others) support not only LGBT people, but same-sex marriage, you&#8217;re fine with the federal government recognizing marriages solemnized by those faiths?</p>
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		<title>By: Mathew "RennDawg" Renner</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/12/10/federal-transportation-bill-moves-foward/#comment-89459</link>
		<dc:creator>Mathew "RennDawg" Renner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I admit that I am a Republican. I am also a member of the Club for growth. I am an attender of Tea Parties. I consider myself to be an Original Intent Constitutionlist. Meaning that the Constitution needs to be followed as it was written. Using the words as defined when the Constitution was written. I believe that the only way that the Constitution can leagally change is throught the amendment process. I do not believe in &quot;modern day&quot; interpertations. One reason is that I fear that those in power will say that we can control what churches say by using a modern day reading of the 1st Amendment. I also believe wrong is wrong. I believe that there are few shades of gray. Yes, I am an absolutist. That issomething that is not popular in the Seattle area. I have to be true to what I am. Just like everone else here needs to be true towhat they believe. I also know that probially 99% of people who blog here disagree with me. But, what fun is it to only hear what you agree with. At least I&#039;ve got people talking.</description>
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Well, I admit that I am a Republican. I am also a member of the Club for growth. I am an attender of Tea Parties. I consider myself to be an Original Intent Constitutionlist. Meaning that the Constitution needs to be followed as it was written. Using the words as defined when the Constitution was written. I believe that the only way that the Constitution can leagally change is throught the amendment process. I do not believe in &#8220;modern day&#8221; interpertations. One reason is that I fear that those in power will say that we can control what churches say by using a modern day reading of the 1st Amendment. I also believe wrong is wrong. I believe that there are few shades of gray. Yes, I am an absolutist. That issomething that is not popular in the Seattle area. I have to be true to what I am. Just like everone else here needs to be true towhat they believe. I also know that probially 99% of people who blog here disagree with me. But, what fun is it to only hear what you agree with. At least I&#8217;ve got people talking.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Mathew "RennDawg" Renner</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/12/10/federal-transportation-bill-moves-foward/#comment-89457</link>
		<dc:creator>Mathew "RennDawg" Renner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have an xbox 360. I do not have any game councils. O.K. I have a Ms. Pac-Man plug and play thats it.</description>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/12/10/federal-transportation-bill-moves-foward/#comment-88976</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 00:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to mention that our existing highways aren&#039;t in that great of condition either. I think the amount spent is appropriate for highway maintenance (and should be spent for maintenance) rather than expansion.</description>
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Not to mention that our existing highways aren&#8217;t in that great of condition either. I think the amount spent is appropriate for highway maintenance (and should be spent for maintenance) rather than expansion.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Anc</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/12/10/federal-transportation-bill-moves-foward/#comment-88972</link>
		<dc:creator>Anc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 00:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not true.  Lower case libertarian is a political philosophy while upper case Libertarian is political party.  

And there are as many shades of libertarianism as there are &#039;liberalism&#039; or &#039;conservatism.&#039;</description>
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Not true.  Lower case libertarian is a political philosophy while upper case Libertarian is political party.  </p>
<p>And there are as many shades of libertarianism as there are &#8216;liberalism&#8217; or &#8216;conservatism.&#8217;<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Zach Shaner</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/12/10/federal-transportation-bill-moves-foward/#comment-88971</link>
		<dc:creator>Zach Shaner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 00:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is the state such a holy unit of analysis?  State boundaries are mostly arbitrary and people&#039;s transportation patterns have very little to do with state lines.  If we need anything it&#039;s regional planning, and I&#039;m all for local/regional funding and planning schemes, but as long as the feds are the ones with the money, it&#039;s fair game to pursue that money.  It allows Washington to compete for larger shares based on the merit of each project it submits for review.  Pitting the 1 against the 49 seems unnecessarily combative and isolationist.</description>
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Why is the state such a holy unit of analysis?  State boundaries are mostly arbitrary and people&#8217;s transportation patterns have very little to do with state lines.  If we need anything it&#8217;s regional planning, and I&#8217;m all for local/regional funding and planning schemes, but as long as the feds are the ones with the money, it&#8217;s fair game to pursue that money.  It allows Washington to compete for larger shares based on the merit of each project it submits for review.  Pitting the 1 against the 49 seems unnecessarily combative and isolationist.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Anc</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/12/10/federal-transportation-bill-moves-foward/#comment-88969</link>
		<dc:creator>Anc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 00:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt, you seem to be operating under the mistaken impression that this actually took money away to give to Washington State.  As I tried to point out, this money has already been taken, turning it down won&#039;t mean that it gets returned to the tax payer but instead is simply given to other states.  So your protest would be purely symbolic and accomplish absolutely nothing.

Also you seemed to have missed my point that Washington State is net contributer not a leacher.  So basically this is just Washington State getting some of it&#039;s money back.</description>
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Matt, you seem to be operating under the mistaken impression that this actually took money away to give to Washington State.  As I tried to point out, this money has already been taken, turning it down won&#8217;t mean that it gets returned to the tax payer but instead is simply given to other states.  So your protest would be purely symbolic and accomplish absolutely nothing.</p>
<p>Also you seemed to have missed my point that Washington State is net contributer not a leacher.  So basically this is just Washington State getting some of it&#8217;s money back.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Welch</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/12/10/federal-transportation-bill-moves-foward/#comment-88962</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Welch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Plus, I&#039;d really like to borrow your XBox 360.</description>
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		<title>By: Jeff Welch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Welch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Feel free to cite the Supreme Court decision that backs up your claim that it&#039;s &quot;unconstitutional&quot;.  I&#039;d love to read it.</description>
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		<title>By: Jeff Welch</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/12/10/federal-transportation-bill-moves-foward/#comment-88960</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Welch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt; those small states are so poor and stupid that they cannot fund there own project.&lt;/b&gt;

FWIW, &quot;poor&quot; and &quot;stupid&quot; don&#039;t necessarily go hand in hand, though I recognize that in some political philosophies they do.  In reality, poverty (or relative poverty) and intelligence/motivation/potential are less linked by poor character and/or ability than resources at hand.

So personally, I have no problem with a state like New York partially funding infrastructure in Alabama for example.

&quot;One nation, indivisible&quot;, remember?</description>
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<b> those small states are so poor and stupid that they cannot fund there own project.</b></p>
<p>FWIW, &#8220;poor&#8221; and &#8220;stupid&#8221; don&#8217;t necessarily go hand in hand, though I recognize that in some political philosophies they do.  In reality, poverty (or relative poverty) and intelligence/motivation/potential are less linked by poor character and/or ability than resources at hand.</p>
<p>So personally, I have no problem with a state like New York partially funding infrastructure in Alabama for example.</p>
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		<title>By: FD</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/12/10/federal-transportation-bill-moves-foward/#comment-88943</link>
		<dc:creator>FD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You might want to change your headline and the sidebar...both have &quot;Foward&quot; instead of &quot;Forward&quot;</description>
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You might want to change your headline and the sidebar&#8230;both have &#8220;Foward&#8221; instead of &#8220;Forward&#8221;<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can think of governments that have redistributed wealth. Sounds like a sweet deal. I&#039;ll still be there to shake your hand when they are passing out the land. When we all live together.</description>
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I can think of governments that have redistributed wealth. Sounds like a sweet deal. I&#8217;ll still be there to shake your hand when they are passing out the land. When we all live together.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:16:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems like if it were unconstitutional then some states would already be getting their money back, but maybe I&#039;m missing something.</description>
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It seems like if it were unconstitutional then some states would already be getting their money back, but maybe I&#8217;m missing something.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: barman</title>
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		<dc:creator>barman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 21:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The guy is a contitutionalist. A libertarian. You can&#039;t change his mind any more than you can change the mind of a democrat or republican.

Some people think taxes should be spread out, going to rural areas that don&#039;t have the base to otherwise pay. Some people think taxes should stay where they came from. Some think taxes shouln&#039;t exist at all.

I will say this though: You really think disaster relief should be left in the hands of private charities?</description>
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The guy is a contitutionalist. A libertarian. You can&#8217;t change his mind any more than you can change the mind of a democrat or republican.</p>
<p>Some people think taxes should be spread out, going to rural areas that don&#8217;t have the base to otherwise pay. Some people think taxes should stay where they came from. Some think taxes shouln&#8217;t exist at all.</p>
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		<title>By: phil</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/12/10/federal-transportation-bill-moves-foward/#comment-88909</link>
		<dc:creator>phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And if you look at Europe, they are actually joining together.  Most of the small countries couldn&#039;t survive without joining the EU or having close ties to it.  Iceland is the latest to get the joining fever, after trashing their economy.  When poorer countries are let in, the EU spends mega-euros on building their infrastructure up to modern standards.</description>
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And if you look at Europe, they are actually joining together.  Most of the small countries couldn&#8217;t survive without joining the EU or having close ties to it.  Iceland is the latest to get the joining fever, after trashing their economy.  When poorer countries are let in, the EU spends mega-euros on building their infrastructure up to modern standards.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Mickymse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mickymse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mathew, I&#039;m not going to attempt to account for special earmarks and specific project details, I&#039;m going to just argue generalities...

The FEDERAL government has a reasonable interest in ensuring that a comprehensive network of roads and rails exist across the entire country, built to roughly an equivalent level of quality and standards. This is because we acknowledge that economic goods travel from region to region, that citizens wish to get from place to place. We can also look from a purely federal standpoint an the need to move troops and military equipment around as well as provide access to federal services such as the post office.

It&#039;s not a question of whether STATES are &quot;poor&quot; or &quot;uneducated.&quot; States like Montana or Wyoming with small populations are not equipped to provide the level of funding to match the construction and maintenance of the network that crowded places like California or Massachusetts can afford.

I see nothing wrong with that, &lt;i&gt;in general&lt;/i&gt;; but feel free to complain about stupid projects and special earmarking...</description>
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Mathew, I&#8217;m not going to attempt to account for special earmarks and specific project details, I&#8217;m going to just argue generalities&#8230;</p>
<p>The FEDERAL government has a reasonable interest in ensuring that a comprehensive network of roads and rails exist across the entire country, built to roughly an equivalent level of quality and standards. This is because we acknowledge that economic goods travel from region to region, that citizens wish to get from place to place. We can also look from a purely federal standpoint an the need to move troops and military equipment around as well as provide access to federal services such as the post office.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not a question of whether STATES are &#8220;poor&#8221; or &#8220;uneducated.&#8221; States like Montana or Wyoming with small populations are not equipped to provide the level of funding to match the construction and maintenance of the network that crowded places like California or Massachusetts can afford.</p>
<p>I see nothing wrong with that, <i>in general</i>; but feel free to complain about stupid projects and special earmarking&#8230;<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/12/10/federal-transportation-bill-moves-foward/#comment-88886</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that, in concept, many of the transportation issues should be left to the states. But, since states are required to balance their budgets, and cannot create money out of thin air like the Feds (at the expense of currency devaluation of course), I don&#039;t mind having issues I care about passionately funded by the Feds. Better than having transportation, which constitutes some incredible small fraction of the Fed budget, left by the wayside. If we are going down a path of dollar devaluation, I say better to get something more tangible from it (e.g infrastructure) than just lining the pockets of execs in banking, medical insurance and defense contractors.</description>
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I agree that, in concept, many of the transportation issues should be left to the states. But, since states are required to balance their budgets, and cannot create money out of thin air like the Feds (at the expense of currency devaluation of course), I don&#8217;t mind having issues I care about passionately funded by the Feds. Better than having transportation, which constitutes some incredible small fraction of the Fed budget, left by the wayside. If we are going down a path of dollar devaluation, I say better to get something more tangible from it (e.g infrastructure) than just lining the pockets of execs in banking, medical insurance and defense contractors.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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