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		<title>By: Jeff Welch</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/12/20/sunday-open-thread-the-big-apple/#comment-91819</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Welch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 03:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erik,

&lt;b&gt;They are goons because they ALWAYS are the ones instigating the interaction with rude and disrespectful behavior&lt;/b&gt;

Sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder. 

It is apparent that you have an issue with rude and disrespectful behavior - if for no other reason than you choose to label all ST security as &quot;goons&quot;.

Frankly - it doesn&#039;t sound like you DESERVE their respectful treatment, so here&#039;s hoping you receive what you dish out.

Like I said - those folks are regular folks trying to earn a living.  They have partners, friends, families, kids and lives.  What exactly do YOU do for a living that makes you so much better than them, by the way?

What is your profession, and who is your employer so that we might draw our own conclusions about your own character?  That would be fun.

If you have some feedback for ST (seriously), you should contact them and tell them about your experiences - positive or negative.  Maybe they&#039;ll make changes?  Call them up or e-mail them referring to ST station security as &quot;goons&quot; and I hope they simply hang up on you.</description>
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Erik,</p>
<p><b>They are goons because they ALWAYS are the ones instigating the interaction with rude and disrespectful behavior</b></p>
<p>Sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder. </p>
<p>It is apparent that you have an issue with rude and disrespectful behavior &#8211; if for no other reason than you choose to label all ST security as &#8220;goons&#8221;.</p>
<p>Frankly &#8211; it doesn&#8217;t sound like you DESERVE their respectful treatment, so here&#8217;s hoping you receive what you dish out.</p>
<p>Like I said &#8211; those folks are regular folks trying to earn a living.  They have partners, friends, families, kids and lives.  What exactly do YOU do for a living that makes you so much better than them, by the way?</p>
<p>What is your profession, and who is your employer so that we might draw our own conclusions about your own character?  That would be fun.</p>
<p>If you have some feedback for ST (seriously), you should contact them and tell them about your experiences &#8211; positive or negative.  Maybe they&#8217;ll make changes?  Call them up or e-mail them referring to ST station security as &#8220;goons&#8221; and I hope they simply hang up on you.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Bernie</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/12/20/sunday-open-thread-the-big-apple/#comment-91813</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 02:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WSP patrols the ferries because they are a State highway. If you&#039;re sitting in your car in the lot waiting for a boat and drinking a beer the WSP will site you for drinking and driving because that lot is considered State highway.</description>
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		<title>By: Erik G.</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/12/20/sunday-open-thread-the-big-apple/#comment-91806</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 01:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They are goons because they ALWAYS are the ones instigating the interaction with rude and disrespectful behavior

Slang Dictionary
goon [gun]

   1. n.
      a stupid person; a fool. : Todd is a silly goon, but he&#039;s a lot of fun at parties.
   2. n.
      a hooligan; a thug or bodyguard. (Underworld.) : Call off your goons!

Dictionary of American Slang and Colloquial Expressions by Richard A. Spears.Fourth Edition.
Copyright 2007. Published by McGraw Hill. 

ST hires them as a &quot;bodyguard&quot; because somehow ST cannot afford to hire real trained peace officers, or cannot firgure out how to get the WSP to patrol their facilities for free like WSP does for WashDOT and WSF.

With all the camera around the LINK system, one truly wonders what purpose the hired untrained security goons have since they do not assist customers and don&#039;t seem to patrol the stations.</description>
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They are goons because they ALWAYS are the ones instigating the interaction with rude and disrespectful behavior</p>
<p>Slang Dictionary<br />
goon [gun]</p>
<p>   1. n.<br />
      a stupid person; a fool. : Todd is a silly goon, but he&#8217;s a lot of fun at parties.<br />
   2. n.<br />
      a hooligan; a thug or bodyguard. (Underworld.) : Call off your goons!</p>
<p>Dictionary of American Slang and Colloquial Expressions by Richard A. Spears.Fourth Edition.<br />
Copyright 2007. Published by McGraw Hill. </p>
<p>ST hires them as a &#8220;bodyguard&#8221; because somehow ST cannot afford to hire real trained peace officers, or cannot firgure out how to get the WSP to patrol their facilities for free like WSP does for WashDOT and WSF.</p>
<p>With all the camera around the LINK system, one truly wonders what purpose the hired untrained security goons have since they do not assist customers and don&#8217;t seem to patrol the stations.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Welch</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/12/20/sunday-open-thread-the-big-apple/#comment-91611</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Welch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 04:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lloyd,

If security left you to take your photos without harassing you - why call them a &quot;goon&quot;?

Ya know - those folks are regular people.  They have lives, kids, parents, families, and like the rest of us are out there trying to earn a living.

Here&#039;s hoping they have more respect for you.</description>
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Lloyd,</p>
<p>If security left you to take your photos without harassing you &#8211; why call them a &#8220;goon&#8221;?</p>
<p>Ya know &#8211; those folks are regular people.  They have lives, kids, parents, families, and like the rest of us are out there trying to earn a living.</p>
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		<title>By: Lloyd</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/12/20/sunday-open-thread-the-big-apple/#comment-91608</link>
		<dc:creator>Lloyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 03:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I went out to the airport Tuesday about 1415 just to take pictures w/o the crowds,  was there more than 30 minutes, took about 4 dozen pictures.  The same security goon walked by me twice and never squeaked.  Maybe things have changed already?  Hopefully, yes.  Train out had lots of travelers heading to the airport, very quiet coming back into Seattle, w/ a slow order at South 133rd  w/ 3 workers on the ROW just after 1500.</description>
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I went out to the airport Tuesday about 1415 just to take pictures w/o the crowds,  was there more than 30 minutes, took about 4 dozen pictures.  The same security goon walked by me twice and never squeaked.  Maybe things have changed already?  Hopefully, yes.  Train out had lots of travelers heading to the airport, very quiet coming back into Seattle, w/ a slow order at South 133rd  w/ 3 workers on the ROW just after 1500.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Welch</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/12/20/sunday-open-thread-the-big-apple/#comment-91501</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Welch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 12:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The low floors actually have climate control.  It&#039;s an imperfect system, as opening and closing doors have the heat going on and off, and the adjustment is over the driver&#039;s left shoulder and unreachable from a sitting position for the most part.  Still better than the older buses which basically have two settings - &quot;On&quot; and &quot;Off&quot;.</description>
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The low floors actually have climate control.  It&#8217;s an imperfect system, as opening and closing doors have the heat going on and off, and the adjustment is over the driver&#8217;s left shoulder and unreachable from a sitting position for the most part.  Still better than the older buses which basically have two settings &#8211; &#8220;On&#8221; and &#8220;Off&#8221;.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/12/20/sunday-open-thread-the-big-apple/#comment-91491</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 08:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a similar experience at Beacon Hill. I hadn&#039;t ever gotten off there, and I had a little time to kill so I decided to check out the station. I hadn&#039;t been off the train for 45 seconds when I was stopped by a security guard who asked what I was doing. Really weird. I wasn&#039;t even taking pictures. Hell, even if I had been planning on it I wouldn&#039;t have had time to take my camera out.</description>
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I had a similar experience at Beacon Hill. I hadn&#8217;t ever gotten off there, and I had a little time to kill so I decided to check out the station. I hadn&#8217;t been off the train for 45 seconds when I was stopped by a security guard who asked what I was doing. Really weird. I wasn&#8217;t even taking pictures. Hell, even if I had been planning on it I wouldn&#8217;t have had time to take my camera out.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Brendan M.</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/12/20/sunday-open-thread-the-big-apple/#comment-91487</link>
		<dc:creator>Brendan M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 07:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like being able to open the windows in colder weather. The low-floor artics, in particular, seem unusually hot inside, so sometimes I open a window, then close it again before I get off. It&#039;s not as though people remove multiple layers of clothing as they get on the bus, yet the heaters always feel like they&#039;re cranked up to 11.</description>
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I like being able to open the windows in colder weather. The low-floor artics, in particular, seem unusually hot inside, so sometimes I open a window, then close it again before I get off. It&#8217;s not as though people remove multiple layers of clothing as they get on the bus, yet the heaters always feel like they&#8217;re cranked up to 11.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: litlnemo</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/12/20/sunday-open-thread-the-big-apple/#comment-91482</link>
		<dc:creator>litlnemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 06:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This whole &quot;photographers must be TERRORISTS!!!!1!1`1``&quot; meme has got to stop. Seriously. 

I didn&#039;t get hassled when I was in the UK last year taking pictures, but that was because what I had heard about it had a chilling effect on my photography already. I only took one train station photo on the whole trip, because I was terrified of being reported, or having my camera card confiscated. And there were other places where I just didn&#039;t take photos I wanted to take because of the well-publicized anti-photography attitude there.

Seriously, if terrorists want to attack trains/buses/Federal buildings/whatever, photographs aren&#039;t necessary to plan the attack, and, additionally, if they want to take &quot;terrorist photos&quot; they can use a hidden camera, not a bloody obvious tourist point-and-shoot or SLR. This idea that photography is a terrorism risk needs to be quashed.</description>
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This whole &#8220;photographers must be TERRORISTS!!!!1!1`1&#8220;&#8221; meme has got to stop. Seriously. </p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t get hassled when I was in the UK last year taking pictures, but that was because what I had heard about it had a chilling effect on my photography already. I only took one train station photo on the whole trip, because I was terrified of being reported, or having my camera card confiscated. And there were other places where I just didn&#8217;t take photos I wanted to take because of the well-publicized anti-photography attitude there.</p>
<p>Seriously, if terrorists want to attack trains/buses/Federal buildings/whatever, photographs aren&#8217;t necessary to plan the attack, and, additionally, if they want to take &#8220;terrorist photos&#8221; they can use a hidden camera, not a bloody obvious tourist point-and-shoot or SLR. This idea that photography is a terrorism risk needs to be quashed.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: alexjonlin</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/12/20/sunday-open-thread-the-big-apple/#comment-91464</link>
		<dc:creator>alexjonlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 04:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Muni has a $10 day pass. I just got a youth monthly pass though, because it&#039;s $15. Man I wish it was that much here!</description>
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		<title>By: joshuadf</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/12/20/sunday-open-thread-the-big-apple/#comment-91433</link>
		<dc:creator>joshuadf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 00:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m pretty sure there was something about that in the ST2 documents, but I don&#039;t see anything in a quick search. The North Corridor page is pretty much a placeholder:
http://www.soundtransit.org/Projects-and-Plans/Project-List/North-Corridor-HCT-Project.xml</description>
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I&#8217;m pretty sure there was something about that in the ST2 documents, but I don&#8217;t see anything in a quick search. The North Corridor page is pretty much a placeholder:<br />
<a href="http://www.soundtransit.org/Projects-and-Plans/Project-List/North-Corridor-HCT-Project.xml" rel="nofollow">http://www.soundtransit.org/Projects-and-Plans/Project-List/North-Corridor-HCT-Project.xml</a><!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/12/20/sunday-open-thread-the-big-apple/#comment-91432</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 00:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CGI, but pretty good.  I like the physics on the apples.</description>
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CGI, but pretty good.  I like the physics on the apples.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Welch</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/12/20/sunday-open-thread-the-big-apple/#comment-91428</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Welch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 23:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>. . or the route, I&#039;m sure.

We&#039;re not required to stop for passengers en route to terminal, and it can be time-prohibitive to do so as we&#039;re given a very strict amount of time to get from base to our starting point.  If a driver leaves a few minutes early or otherwise has time padding going for them - this may happen, but it shouldn&#039;t be expected.

You *do* have to get off of a bus headed to base at the last stop before base - taking a passenger into base (knowingly or unknowingly) can result in a Personnel Report (PR) being issued, and is considered a pretty big (bad) deal, particularly at bases like North Base where there&#039;s not a stop nearby for the errant passenger to grab an outgoing bus at.</description>
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. . or the route, I&#8217;m sure.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re not required to stop for passengers en route to terminal, and it can be time-prohibitive to do so as we&#8217;re given a very strict amount of time to get from base to our starting point.  If a driver leaves a few minutes early or otherwise has time padding going for them &#8211; this may happen, but it shouldn&#8217;t be expected.</p>
<p>You *do* have to get off of a bus headed to base at the last stop before base &#8211; taking a passenger into base (knowingly or unknowingly) can result in a Personnel Report (PR) being issued, and is considered a pretty big (bad) deal, particularly at bases like North Base where there&#8217;s not a stop nearby for the errant passenger to grab an outgoing bus at.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Gordon Werner</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/12/20/sunday-open-thread-the-big-apple/#comment-91420</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon Werner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 22:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve had &quot;To Terminal&quot; buses stop for me when it&#039;s raining ... guess it depends on the driver</description>
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		<title>By: Gordon Werner</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/12/20/sunday-open-thread-the-big-apple/#comment-91417</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon Werner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 22:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that and that they are red.</description>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/12/20/sunday-open-thread-the-big-apple/#comment-91416</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 22:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone know if Sound transit plans to use the Mountlake Terrace freeway station for light rail in the future and if so are the building it to handle light rail?</description>
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Does anyone know if Sound transit plans to use the Mountlake Terrace freeway station for light rail in the future and if so are the building it to handle light rail?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Michael Ragsdale</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/12/20/sunday-open-thread-the-big-apple/#comment-91415</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Ragsdale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 22:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I seem to remember once C-Tran had a $6 GO Anywhere pass that was valid on anything C-Tran (except Portland Express) and anything Tri-Met, but the catch was that you could only buy it on a C-Tran bus.</description>
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I seem to remember once C-Tran had a $6 GO Anywhere pass that was valid on anything C-Tran (except Portland Express) and anything Tri-Met, but the catch was that you could only buy it on a C-Tran bus.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: K-Lo</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/12/20/sunday-open-thread-the-big-apple/#comment-91414</link>
		<dc:creator>K-Lo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 22:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It looked closer to RR 15 busses hanging out when I went out to Sea-Tac on Saturday. 6001 was just outside a maintenence bay. If you see the back of one of the RapidRide coaches, it&#039;s quite hard to miss the fleet number. They must be four times larger than usual.</description>
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It looked closer to RR 15 busses hanging out when I went out to Sea-Tac on Saturday. 6001 was just outside a maintenence bay. If you see the back of one of the RapidRide coaches, it&#8217;s quite hard to miss the fleet number. They must be four times larger than usual.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/12/20/sunday-open-thread-the-big-apple/#comment-91412</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 22:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YEA!!  The 194 is still going to run (sarcasm post, of course)</description>
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		<title>By: archie</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/12/20/sunday-open-thread-the-big-apple/#comment-91404</link>
		<dc:creator>archie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 21:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but until then, you can transfer to the 194 light rail!!!</description>
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