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	<title>Comments on: Capitol Hill Community Council&#8217;s streetcar proposal</title>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/01/25/capitol-hill-community-councils-streetcar-proposal/#comment-101742</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 04:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting, then, that all the bicycle lanes illustrated in MUTCD&#039;s examples for road markings are 4-foot bike lanes.

There doesn&#039;t appear to be a lane width addendum in the on-line version of the 2009 MUTCD, or if there is it doesn&#039;t contain the term &quot;lane width&quot; or &quot;bicycle lane.&quot;

Reading more of the information on WSDOT&#039;s site, it looks like they might be taking their lane widths from AASHTO, whose current guide for bicycle facilities does specify 4-foot bike lanes on streets.</description>
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Interesting, then, that all the bicycle lanes illustrated in MUTCD&#8217;s examples for road markings are 4-foot bike lanes.</p>
<p>There doesn&#8217;t appear to be a lane width addendum in the on-line version of the 2009 MUTCD, or if there is it doesn&#8217;t contain the term &#8220;lane width&#8221; or &#8220;bicycle lane.&#8221;</p>
<p>Reading more of the information on WSDOT&#8217;s site, it looks like they might be taking their lane widths from AASHTO, whose current guide for bicycle facilities does specify 4-foot bike lanes on streets.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Mad Park</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/01/25/capitol-hill-community-councils-streetcar-proposal/#comment-101733</link>
		<dc:creator>Mad Park</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 04:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And very few lycra fetishists (on bikes, anyway...).</description>
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And very few lycra fetishists (on bikes, anyway&#8230;).<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Paul Johnson</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/01/25/capitol-hill-community-councils-streetcar-proposal/#comment-101539</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 09:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I seem to recall the 2003 edition had a lane width addendum that wasn&#039;t any different from the 09 edition.  Evidence towards this end can be found throughout Oregon and Idaho where bicycle facilities exist.</description>
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I seem to recall the 2003 edition had a lane width addendum that wasn&#8217;t any different from the 09 edition.  Evidence towards this end can be found throughout Oregon and Idaho where bicycle facilities exist.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Chetan</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/01/25/capitol-hill-community-councils-streetcar-proposal/#comment-101421</link>
		<dc:creator>Chetan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 00:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not just extend the streetcar line all the way? Makes more sense to me at least.</description>
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Why not just extend the streetcar line all the way? Makes more sense to me at least.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: josh</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/01/25/capitol-hill-community-councils-streetcar-proposal/#comment-101277</link>
		<dc:creator>josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2009 MUTCD is brand new, at least as an official version.  Very few jurisdictions have had time to adopt it yet.  I know Seattle hasn&#039;t yet adopted it, haven&#039;t checked with WSDOT lately.  I seem to recall it took more than a year to adopt 2003 once it was official.</description>
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2009 MUTCD is brand new, at least as an official version.  Very few jurisdictions have had time to adopt it yet.  I know Seattle hasn&#8217;t yet adopted it, haven&#8217;t checked with WSDOT lately.  I seem to recall it took more than a year to adopt 2003 once it was official.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Paul Johnson</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/01/25/capitol-hill-community-councils-streetcar-proposal/#comment-101225</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 08:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still find it odd that Washington&#039;s operating on a lower limit for bike lanes adjacent to motor lanes... the lane width addendum to the 2009 MUTCD lists 4&#039; as only acceptable for a bicycle lane adjacent to another bicycle lane in the same direction, 6&#039; for bicycle lane adjacent to motor vehicle parking or a general purpose lane, and 8&#039; for a buffered bike lane (with 2 foot buffers on either side instead of the standard 8&quot; stripe).  Either the printed copy I got from FHWA is screwy or WSDOT has it&#039;s head up it&#039;s ass...</description>
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I still find it odd that Washington&#8217;s operating on a lower limit for bike lanes adjacent to motor lanes&#8230; the lane width addendum to the 2009 MUTCD lists 4&#8242; as only acceptable for a bicycle lane adjacent to another bicycle lane in the same direction, 6&#8242; for bicycle lane adjacent to motor vehicle parking or a general purpose lane, and 8&#8242; for a buffered bike lane (with 2 foot buffers on either side instead of the standard 8&#8243; stripe).  Either the printed copy I got from FHWA is screwy or WSDOT has it&#8217;s head up it&#8217;s ass&#8230;<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/01/25/capitol-hill-community-councils-streetcar-proposal/#comment-101181</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 04:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roads open to motor vehicles have to meet motor vehicle standards.

Roads open to bicycles have to meet bicycle standards.

Bike lanes on roads have lower standards than bicycle-only facilities, because roads have an alternative for the cyclist.  On a road, when a 4-foot-wide bike lane is blocked or dangerous, the cyclist can simply move into the general-purpose lanes.  

On a segregated bicycle facility, there&#039;s no general-purpose lane to move into, so the bike path itself must be wide enough for safety.

If a bike lane is part of a wider roadway, it only needs to be 4 feet wide.  

If it&#039;s a bike-only facility, it must be at least six feet wide.</description>
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Roads open to motor vehicles have to meet motor vehicle standards.</p>
<p>Roads open to bicycles have to meet bicycle standards.</p>
<p>Bike lanes on roads have lower standards than bicycle-only facilities, because roads have an alternative for the cyclist.  On a road, when a 4-foot-wide bike lane is blocked or dangerous, the cyclist can simply move into the general-purpose lanes.  </p>
<p>On a segregated bicycle facility, there&#8217;s no general-purpose lane to move into, so the bike path itself must be wide enough for safety.</p>
<p>If a bike lane is part of a wider roadway, it only needs to be 4 feet wide.  </p>
<p>If it&#8217;s a bike-only facility, it must be at least six feet wide.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Paul Johnson</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/01/25/capitol-hill-community-councils-streetcar-proposal/#comment-101149</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 01:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I consider cycleways to be streets, too.  Or are roads only open to HOV, or only open to bus, not have to meet guidelines either?</description>
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I consider cycleways to be streets, too.  Or are roads only open to HOV, or only open to bus, not have to meet guidelines either?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: josh</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/01/25/capitol-hill-community-councils-streetcar-proposal/#comment-101021</link>
		<dc:creator>josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please also look at the appropriate standards for width of bicycle facilities.

If they&#039;re physically segregated from the general purpose lanes, AASHTO guidelines and WSDOT standards do not allow 4-foot one-way or 8-foot two-way bicycle paths.  The 4-foot minimum applies to bicycle lanes that are part of a broader roadway, where cyclists can merge out of the bike lane to avoid hazards.  

If the bike facility is a physically separate path, rather than a painted lane on the road, WSDOT minimum width is 6 foot one-way, 10 foot two-way.</description>
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Please also look at the appropriate standards for width of bicycle facilities.</p>
<p>If they&#8217;re physically segregated from the general purpose lanes, AASHTO guidelines and WSDOT standards do not allow 4-foot one-way or 8-foot two-way bicycle paths.  The 4-foot minimum applies to bicycle lanes that are part of a broader roadway, where cyclists can merge out of the bike lane to avoid hazards.  </p>
<p>If the bike facility is a physically separate path, rather than a painted lane on the road, WSDOT minimum width is 6 foot one-way, 10 foot two-way.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: dang (aka "Daniel")</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/01/25/capitol-hill-community-councils-streetcar-proposal/#comment-101017</link>
		<dc:creator>dang (aka "Daniel")</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forgot to add: Tony and I discussed separate bike lanes. I explored the bi-directional lanes primarily while considering a one-way street car configuration. This gets bike lanes on the opposite side of the street from the streetcar improving track crossings while on bikes. Yes, it makes turning a little more complicated, but I&#039;m thinking bike boxes a la Portland.

So the bi-directional version is perhaps a bit of a vestige of the previous investigations. Some of the advantages of the bi-directional approach is more efficient use of the ROW, since there&#039;s not a ton of space. Coupling the bike lanes eliminates one of the shy zones. The planted strip between the parked cars and bikes was a bit of a last minute add. We discussed raising the bike lane to sidewalk level, which I think has many merits and would make the 4&#039; bike lane widths less critical. 

That said, in our next go around, we&#039;ll definitely show a version with separate bike lanes, as well as center platforms.</description>
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Forgot to add: Tony and I discussed separate bike lanes. I explored the bi-directional lanes primarily while considering a one-way street car configuration. This gets bike lanes on the opposite side of the street from the streetcar improving track crossings while on bikes. Yes, it makes turning a little more complicated, but I&#8217;m thinking bike boxes a la Portland.</p>
<p>So the bi-directional version is perhaps a bit of a vestige of the previous investigations. Some of the advantages of the bi-directional approach is more efficient use of the ROW, since there&#8217;s not a ton of space. Coupling the bike lanes eliminates one of the shy zones. The planted strip between the parked cars and bikes was a bit of a last minute add. We discussed raising the bike lane to sidewalk level, which I think has many merits and would make the 4&#8242; bike lane widths less critical. </p>
<p>That said, in our next go around, we&#8217;ll definitely show a version with separate bike lanes, as well as center platforms.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: dang (aka "Daniel")</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/01/25/capitol-hill-community-councils-streetcar-proposal/#comment-101013</link>
		<dc:creator>dang (aka "Daniel")</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The proposals we put forward strove to maintain the existing curb lines. I know, very pragmatic and not visionary? But that is precisely the item Ethan zeroed in on in the CHCC presentation.

As for narrowing sidewalks to increase the width of the bike lanes, that is completely counter to the ideas we are pushing. If anything, we should look to expand the pedestrian realm. It&#039;s not just about the streetcar. Nor is it just about cycle tracks. Instead, it&#039;s about the opportunities presented to re-envision what can be done with the ROW through the introduction of the streetcar, which includes providing opportunities for both bicycles and pedestrians. If that means the bikes in the bike lanes need to go a bit slower, I am fine with that. Calming auto traffic and making the environment more hospitable to pedestrians is one of the intentions of the proposal. Calming auto traffic to allow unfettered bike traffic is again counter.</description>
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The proposals we put forward strove to maintain the existing curb lines. I know, very pragmatic and not visionary? But that is precisely the item Ethan zeroed in on in the CHCC presentation.</p>
<p>As for narrowing sidewalks to increase the width of the bike lanes, that is completely counter to the ideas we are pushing. If anything, we should look to expand the pedestrian realm. It&#8217;s not just about the streetcar. Nor is it just about cycle tracks. Instead, it&#8217;s about the opportunities presented to re-envision what can be done with the ROW through the introduction of the streetcar, which includes providing opportunities for both bicycles and pedestrians. If that means the bikes in the bike lanes need to go a bit slower, I am fine with that. Calming auto traffic and making the environment more hospitable to pedestrians is one of the intentions of the proposal. Calming auto traffic to allow unfettered bike traffic is again counter.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Bernie</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/01/25/capitol-hill-community-councils-streetcar-proposal/#comment-100907</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 02:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly, that&#039;s the width for paths like the Burke-Gilman and the Sammamish River Trail where you have two way traffic. The shared use doesn&#039;t apply to &quot;bike&quot; lanes along streets. Unfortunately the City of Sammamish decided that what was needed was 12&#039; sidewalks on one side of the road instead of bike lanes. I believe the standard for bike lanes is 4&#039; but I think that&#039;s only a recommendation. If you&#039;re riding along side parked cars you need more room. If it&#039;s a shoulder on a 35mph suburban road probably less will get you by depending on what&#039;s to the side. Grass and culvert, good; Curb and sidewalk, ok; hedges, blind driveways, boat trailers, bad. The way they deal with street drains makes a big difference too.</description>
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Exactly, that&#8217;s the width for paths like the Burke-Gilman and the Sammamish River Trail where you have two way traffic. The shared use doesn&#8217;t apply to &#8220;bike&#8221; lanes along streets. Unfortunately the City of Sammamish decided that what was needed was 12&#8242; sidewalks on one side of the road instead of bike lanes. I believe the standard for bike lanes is 4&#8242; but I think that&#8217;s only a recommendation. If you&#8217;re riding along side parked cars you need more room. If it&#8217;s a shoulder on a 35mph suburban road probably less will get you by depending on what&#8217;s to the side. Grass and culvert, good; Curb and sidewalk, ok; hedges, blind driveways, boat trailers, bad. The way they deal with street drains makes a big difference too.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/01/25/capitol-hill-community-councils-streetcar-proposal/#comment-100906</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 02:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WSDOT 1020.07 sets a minimum of four feet for bike *lanes*.  But what&#039;s shown in the rendering isn&#039;t a bike *lane*.  A bike lane is part of a street.  What&#039;s shown is a segregated bicycle path, they have wider minimum widths than a bike lane on a shared roadway.</description>
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WSDOT 1020.07 sets a minimum of four feet for bike *lanes*.  But what&#8217;s shown in the rendering isn&#8217;t a bike *lane*.  A bike lane is part of a street.  What&#8217;s shown is a segregated bicycle path, they have wider minimum widths than a bike lane on a shared roadway.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/01/25/capitol-hill-community-councils-streetcar-proposal/#comment-100905</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 02:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WSDOT 1020.06

(1) Widths
The desirable width of a shared-use path is
12 feet. The minimum width is 10 feet. ....
Use of 12- to 14-foot paths is recommended
when there will be substantial use by bicyclists,
or joggers, skaters, and pedestrians.</description>
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WSDOT 1020.06</p>
<p>(1) Widths<br />
The desirable width of a shared-use path is<br />
12 feet. The minimum width is 10 feet. &#8230;.<br />
Use of 12- to 14-foot paths is recommended<br />
when there will be substantial use by bicyclists,<br />
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/01/25/capitol-hill-community-councils-streetcar-proposal/#comment-100903</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 02:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note, too, that bike *paths* are different from bike *lanes.*  A segregated facility, separate from the general-purpose lanes, needs to be wider for safe cycling than a lane that&#039;s part of a wider street.  Where a narrow bike lane is part of a street, cyclists can leave the bike lane and use the general-purpose lane as necessary.</description>
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Note, too, that bike *paths* are different from bike *lanes.*  A segregated facility, separate from the general-purpose lanes, needs to be wider for safe cycling than a lane that&#8217;s part of a wider street.  Where a narrow bike lane is part of a street, cyclists can leave the bike lane and use the general-purpose lane as necessary.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: josh</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/01/25/capitol-hill-community-councils-streetcar-proposal/#comment-100764</link>
		<dc:creator>josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be good to see two versions with compliant bicycle facilities -- 

8 feet is too narrow for a bi-directional path.  As much bike and pedestrian traffic as you see on Broadway today, I&#039;d expect even the usual 10-foot standard would be too narrow for safety.

One-way bicycle paths can be as narrow as 6 feet (plus shy distance on the sides), so there could be room to squeeze them in with narrower sidewalks and planting strips.</description>
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It would be good to see two versions with compliant bicycle facilities &#8212; </p>
<p>8 feet is too narrow for a bi-directional path.  As much bike and pedestrian traffic as you see on Broadway today, I&#8217;d expect even the usual 10-foot standard would be too narrow for safety.</p>
<p>One-way bicycle paths can be as narrow as 6 feet (plus shy distance on the sides), so there could be room to squeeze them in with narrower sidewalks and planting strips.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: josh</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/01/25/capitol-hill-community-councils-streetcar-proposal/#comment-100760</link>
		<dc:creator>josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Average U.S. bicycle commuters, not STP jocks, have an average speed around 15mph.  That&#039;s fast enough to make many narrow bi-directional trails more dangerous to cyclists than mixing it up with cars in the street.</description>
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Average U.S. bicycle commuters, not STP jocks, have an average speed around 15mph.  That&#8217;s fast enough to make many narrow bi-directional trails more dangerous to cyclists than mixing it up with cars in the street.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: josh</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/01/25/capitol-hill-community-councils-streetcar-proposal/#comment-100759</link>
		<dc:creator>josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AASHTO minimum width for a one-way cycling path is six feet.  Four feet is dangerously narrow and would get the city sued by injured cyclists.</description>
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AASHTO minimum width for a one-way cycling path is six feet.  Four feet is dangerously narrow and would get the city sued by injured cyclists.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: josh</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/01/25/capitol-hill-community-councils-streetcar-proposal/#comment-100757</link>
		<dc:creator>josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AASHTO calls for a ten-foot width for most separated two-direction multi-use paths, increasing to twelve or fourteen feet in areas with significant pedestrian/bike/stroller etc traffic. (AASHTO Guide for the Development of Bicycle Facilities)  Even at that width, the safe speed limit on the path shown would be low enough that safety (and Seattle policy) would have faster cyclists riding in the general traffic lanes, not the path.

The rendering also doesn&#039;t have compliant shy distance on the sides of the path; it appears to show non-compliant bollards in the path; the intersection treatment lacks required signage and markings.  But that doesn&#039;t necessarily mean it&#039;s a dangerous and untenable plan -- it&#039;s an artistic rendering that also leaves out wheelchair ramps, parking signage, bike racks, and all sorts of other details that would have to be in the real design.

But it is a good heads-up to cyclists to take a closer look at whatever designs do come forward, since so many cycling facilities are designed by and for non-cyclists.</description>
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AASHTO calls for a ten-foot width for most separated two-direction multi-use paths, increasing to twelve or fourteen feet in areas with significant pedestrian/bike/stroller etc traffic. (AASHTO Guide for the Development of Bicycle Facilities)  Even at that width, the safe speed limit on the path shown would be low enough that safety (and Seattle policy) would have faster cyclists riding in the general traffic lanes, not the path.</p>
<p>The rendering also doesn&#8217;t have compliant shy distance on the sides of the path; it appears to show non-compliant bollards in the path; the intersection treatment lacks required signage and markings.  But that doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean it&#8217;s a dangerous and untenable plan &#8212; it&#8217;s an artistic rendering that also leaves out wheelchair ramps, parking signage, bike racks, and all sorts of other details that would have to be in the real design.</p>
<p>But it is a good heads-up to cyclists to take a closer look at whatever designs do come forward, since so many cycling facilities are designed by and for non-cyclists.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Everett_cuppajoe</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/01/25/capitol-hill-community-councils-streetcar-proposal/#comment-100691</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 08:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would the neighborhood entertain the idea of taking out a couple parking spaces next to the cycle track for bike racks or some kind of storage? There are a lot of really interesting concepts to choose from, new styles with greater security and capacity. They could easily be manufactured in the area, generating employment right here.  Lose parking for 2 cars = Gain parking for 20 bikes = more customers who didn&#039;t just waste money on gas to get to your store, so still have it to spend. More options to get to the Streetcar. Less clutter of bikes locked to any fixed object...  
Also if it snows, will someone plow the biketrack? please.</description>
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Would the neighborhood entertain the idea of taking out a couple parking spaces next to the cycle track for bike racks or some kind of storage? There are a lot of really interesting concepts to choose from, new styles with greater security and capacity. They could easily be manufactured in the area, generating employment right here.  Lose parking for 2 cars = Gain parking for 20 bikes = more customers who didn&#8217;t just waste money on gas to get to your store, so still have it to spend. More options to get to the Streetcar. Less clutter of bikes locked to any fixed object&#8230;<br />
Also if it snows, will someone plow the biketrack? please.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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