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	<title>Comments on: Sunday Open Thread: Metro&#8217;s New Rules</title>
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		<title>By: Tim F.</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/02/07/sunday-open-thread-metros-new-rules/#comment-105038</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 23:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah we don&#039;t play with loud cell phone use. people get snippy about it sometimes when we tell them to move it to the vestibule but 1 angry person is better than the other 30 people in the car being inconvenienced by a loudmouth.</description>
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yeah we don&#8217;t play with loud cell phone use. people get snippy about it sometimes when we tell them to move it to the vestibule but 1 angry person is better than the other 30 people in the car being inconvenienced by a loudmouth.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Mathew "RennDawg" Renner</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/02/07/sunday-open-thread-metros-new-rules/#comment-104516</link>
		<dc:creator>Mathew "RennDawg" Renner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 06:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jessica that was an event that happened on the 174 a few years ago. TYhe guy in this case was just being a jerk. It does happen. I am all for having seats set aside for the purpose of helping the disabled. However, it does not give you the right to be a jerk. If there is a reason yes make the change.</description>
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Jessica that was an event that happened on the 174 a few years ago. TYhe guy in this case was just being a jerk. It does happen. I am all for having seats set aside for the purpose of helping the disabled. However, it does not give you the right to be a jerk. If there is a reason yes make the change.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: litlnemo</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/02/07/sunday-open-thread-metros-new-rules/#comment-104499</link>
		<dc:creator>litlnemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 05:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup, that&#039;s it. One of those.</description>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/02/07/sunday-open-thread-metros-new-rules/#comment-104491</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 05:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flickr.com/photos/valann/3529691497/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;.  The bumper is the same blue that the side of the car is.</description>
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Like <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/valann/3529691497/" rel="nofollow">this</a>.  The bumper is the same blue that the side of the car is.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Z</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/02/07/sunday-open-thread-metros-new-rules/#comment-104486</link>
		<dc:creator>Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 04:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Securitas must own those vehicles since they have commercial plates on them. I do agree about Securitas as well, of course Wackenhut is not much better. I have to wonder with all these Transit Police, what business the transit agency is in. /me thinks that if you rigoursly enforced the fare policy your crime problems would be at acceptable levels.</description>
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Securitas must own those vehicles since they have commercial plates on them. I do agree about Securitas as well, of course Wackenhut is not much better. I have to wonder with all these Transit Police, what business the transit agency is in. /me thinks that if you rigoursly enforced the fare policy your crime problems would be at acceptable levels.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Welch</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/02/07/sunday-open-thread-metros-new-rules/#comment-104467</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Welch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 03:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jessica,

That&#039;s just mechanics.  I&#039;d love to see driver trainees get a larger customer service perspective from people with disabilities who regularly use public transport - how to address people, what&#039;s bad service, what&#039;s good service, etc.  The rest is just pushing buttons.</description>
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Jessica,</p>
<p>That&#8217;s just mechanics.  I&#8217;d love to see driver trainees get a larger customer service perspective from people with disabilities who regularly use public transport &#8211; how to address people, what&#8217;s bad service, what&#8217;s good service, etc.  The rest is just pushing buttons.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/02/07/sunday-open-thread-metros-new-rules/#comment-104453</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 02:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Considering I can hook myself in (or at least know how or can have Adam do it), I would love to be able to come to a Metro base, take an out-of-service bus and show trainees (and any operator who wants a refresher) how to secure me to the bus properly (my brother is a pro so he could do it)</description>
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Considering I can hook myself in (or at least know how or can have Adam do it), I would love to be able to come to a Metro base, take an out-of-service bus and show trainees (and any operator who wants a refresher) how to secure me to the bus properly (my brother is a pro so he could do it)<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: litlnemo</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/02/07/sunday-open-thread-metros-new-rules/#comment-104425</link>
		<dc:creator>litlnemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 00:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Might have been one of those. If I could see a picture of the back of one of those cars, I&#039;d know.</description>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/02/07/sunday-open-thread-metros-new-rules/#comment-104417</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 00:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did it look like &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sound_Transit_Prius.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;?  If so it would have been a Securitas employee.  And FYI, Securitas will hire anyone with a pulse.  They are one of the worst security companies in the Puget Sound.</description>
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Did it look like <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sound_Transit_Prius.jpg" rel="nofollow">this</a>?  If so it would have been a Securitas employee.  And FYI, Securitas will hire anyone with a pulse.  They are one of the worst security companies in the Puget Sound.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/02/07/sunday-open-thread-metros-new-rules/#comment-104416</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 00:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because you never know who might get violent.  If an operator tells someone to turn their music down, they might pull a weapon out, which is not good.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://metro.kingcounty.gov/tops/bus/ruleride.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The role of the bus driver is that of a peacekeeper, not an enforcer. Enforcement of the code of conduct is handled through a network of professionals that can be called upon by the bus driver, if and when needed.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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Because you never know who might get violent.  If an operator tells someone to turn their music down, they might pull a weapon out, which is not good.</p>
<p><a href="http://metro.kingcounty.gov/tops/bus/ruleride.html" rel="nofollow">The role of the bus driver is that of a peacekeeper, not an enforcer. Enforcement of the code of conduct is handled through a network of professionals that can be called upon by the bus driver, if and when needed.</a><!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Mickymse</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/02/07/sunday-open-thread-metros-new-rules/#comment-104386</link>
		<dc:creator>Mickymse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 22:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are plans underway to consolidate into one car rental facility here as well...</description>
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		<title>By: litlnemo</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/02/07/sunday-open-thread-metros-new-rules/#comment-104362</link>
		<dc:creator>litlnemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A little bit above on this page I posted a link to a Vancouver Olympics map. 

Here is also a map to the temporary park-and-rides being set up for the Games. I couldn&#039;t post it in the other post because it would cause the message to go to the spam queue. So here it is.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;msa=0&amp;msid=115253110459626504733.00047d8baeb9d6a47c7cb&amp;ll=49.214457,-122.914352&amp;spn=0.311732,0.43396&amp;z=11&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Temporary Park and Rides in the Vancouver area&lt;/a&gt;

I wish I could take transit all the way, darn it! But as long as these P&amp;Rs don&#039;t fill up I think I will be OK. I am afraid they will fill up, though.</description>
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A little bit above on this page I posted a link to a Vancouver Olympics map. </p>
<p>Here is also a map to the temporary park-and-rides being set up for the Games. I couldn&#8217;t post it in the other post because it would cause the message to go to the spam queue. So here it is.</p>
<p><a href="http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;msa=0&amp;msid=115253110459626504733.00047d8baeb9d6a47c7cb&amp;ll=49.214457,-122.914352&amp;spn=0.311732,0.43396&amp;z=11" rel="nofollow">Temporary Park and Rides in the Vancouver area</a></p>
<p>I wish I could take transit all the way, darn it! But as long as these P&amp;Rs don&#8217;t fill up I think I will be OK. I am afraid they will fill up, though.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: litlnemo</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/02/07/sunday-open-thread-metros-new-rules/#comment-104360</link>
		<dc:creator>litlnemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, weird, I didn&#039;t even think of that. I&#039;ve done that before, too.

Admittedly my brain was a little fried after driving to Vancouver BC and back to get Olympic tickets and scope out the area for my Olympics trip.

Speaking of the Olys, since there is still no train or bus returning from Vancouver to Seattle after 7:45 pm that I can find, I will have to drive, darn it. 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vancouver2010.com%2Fdl%2F00%2F26%2F46%2Fevs1179-tearoff-oly-vancouver_82d-pP.pdf&amp;h=487ae5168520c174c858630dbd5d2504&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This map&lt;/a&gt; is sort of useful. 

There is also a Google Map of temporary park-and-rides set up for the games. I won&#039;t link to it here because it will trigger the spam filter. I&#039;ll add it to the next post. 

But between those two maps, it looks like my strategy is to head for Surrey or New Westminster on 99A and park in one of the temporary park-and-rides, then take the SkyTrain downtown. (Can also get off the train early and transfer to the Games Express to go straight to the Coliseum, but that seems less fun than going all the way downtown where the action is and transferring there.)

Incidentally, a post here on STB on getting from Seattle to the Olympics via transit might be handy. I would volunteer to write it but not sure I&#039;ll be able to this week as things are a little crazy at the moment. (I have a deadline coming up, the Olys next week, and a family member in the hospital.) If I can pull anything together I&#039;ll submit it, though.</description>
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Oh, weird, I didn&#8217;t even think of that. I&#8217;ve done that before, too.</p>
<p>Admittedly my brain was a little fried after driving to Vancouver BC and back to get Olympic tickets and scope out the area for my Olympics trip.</p>
<p>Speaking of the Olys, since there is still no train or bus returning from Vancouver to Seattle after 7:45 pm that I can find, I will have to drive, darn it. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vancouver2010.com%2Fdl%2F00%2F26%2F46%2Fevs1179-tearoff-oly-vancouver_82d-pP.pdf&amp;h=487ae5168520c174c858630dbd5d2504" rel="nofollow">This map</a> is sort of useful. </p>
<p>There is also a Google Map of temporary park-and-rides set up for the games. I won&#8217;t link to it here because it will trigger the spam filter. I&#8217;ll add it to the next post. </p>
<p>But between those two maps, it looks like my strategy is to head for Surrey or New Westminster on 99A and park in one of the temporary park-and-rides, then take the SkyTrain downtown. (Can also get off the train early and transfer to the Games Express to go straight to the Coliseum, but that seems less fun than going all the way downtown where the action is and transferring there.)</p>
<p>Incidentally, a post here on STB on getting from Seattle to the Olympics via transit might be handy. I would volunteer to write it but not sure I&#8217;ll be able to this week as things are a little crazy at the moment. (I have a deadline coming up, the Olys next week, and a family member in the hospital.) If I can pull anything together I&#8217;ll submit it, though.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: MarkT</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/02/07/sunday-open-thread-metros-new-rules/#comment-104288</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 18:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right.  It should only pull up info from the scheduled data, which it isn&#039;t.  Metro just went through some schedule changes this weekend.  That could be a factor.  Still not working on Monday morning, though.  I sent Google a message about the problem, as this is pretty paralyzing.</description>
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You&#8217;re right.  It should only pull up info from the scheduled data, which it isn&#8217;t.  Metro just went through some schedule changes this weekend.  That could be a factor.  Still not working on Monday morning, though.  I sent Google a message about the problem, as this is pretty paralyzing.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Welch</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/02/07/sunday-open-thread-metros-new-rules/#comment-104280</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Welch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 18:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jessica,

Metro has no specific guidelines for accomodating requests for a particular side of the bus, and in my view provided woefully little accessibility training - even to new drivers - outside how to use the securements.

If I were King of Metro, I would have a person with a disability come to class to speak with new drivers in training, as well as the class for those drivers who go from part to full time - to talk about accessibility issues from the perspective of someone who relies on them to access the community.</description>
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Jessica,</p>
<p>Metro has no specific guidelines for accomodating requests for a particular side of the bus, and in my view provided woefully little accessibility training &#8211; even to new drivers &#8211; outside how to use the securements.</p>
<p>If I were King of Metro, I would have a person with a disability come to class to speak with new drivers in training, as well as the class for those drivers who go from part to full time &#8211; to talk about accessibility issues from the perspective of someone who relies on them to access the community.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Welch</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/02/07/sunday-open-thread-metros-new-rules/#comment-104277</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Welch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 18:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mathew,

That does happen - that the person with the disability may request to sit on the left or right side.  Sometimes there are good reasons for this - a wheelchair user is sometimes less flexible than the rest of us, and it can be harder to see where the bus is.  This is especially true of the accessible seat right behind the driver&#039;s cab as vision on the left is more blocked than seats further back.  If you&#039;re a person in a wheelchair who needs to get off at a particular stop not normally called out, or need to be aware of landmarks, etc, this can be very important.

I normally try to accomodate these requests, or at most will ask the person using the wheelchair if they&#039;d mind using the one that&#039;s ready.  But again - because of limitations of vision or other issues I may be unaware of, I&#039;m inclined to do what I can to accomodate them, including asking folks to shuffle around to make it happen.</description>
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Mathew,</p>
<p>That does happen &#8211; that the person with the disability may request to sit on the left or right side.  Sometimes there are good reasons for this &#8211; a wheelchair user is sometimes less flexible than the rest of us, and it can be harder to see where the bus is.  This is especially true of the accessible seat right behind the driver&#8217;s cab as vision on the left is more blocked than seats further back.  If you&#8217;re a person in a wheelchair who needs to get off at a particular stop not normally called out, or need to be aware of landmarks, etc, this can be very important.</p>
<p>I normally try to accomodate these requests, or at most will ask the person using the wheelchair if they&#8217;d mind using the one that&#8217;s ready.  But again &#8211; because of limitations of vision or other issues I may be unaware of, I&#8217;m inclined to do what I can to accomodate them, including asking folks to shuffle around to make it happen.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/02/07/sunday-open-thread-metros-new-rules/#comment-104271</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 17:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would love to ride your bus some time</description>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/02/07/sunday-open-thread-metros-new-rules/#comment-104269</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 17:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mathew: That is utter BS!

There&#039;s an open seat for that passenger; me personally, I would take whichever side is opened up for me (I have a preference to the right side if I&#039;m on a bus I&#039;m not familiar with so I can look out the front window for my stop, but I could care less if the left side is made available)

That&#039;s just me personally, not sure what Metro&#039;s rule book says on the subject though</description>
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Mathew: That is utter BS!</p>
<p>There&#8217;s an open seat for that passenger; me personally, I would take whichever side is opened up for me (I have a preference to the right side if I&#8217;m on a bus I&#8217;m not familiar with so I can look out the front window for my stop, but I could care less if the left side is made available)</p>
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		<title>By: alexjonlin</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/02/07/sunday-open-thread-metros-new-rules/#comment-104268</link>
		<dc:creator>alexjonlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 17:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol that has nothing to do with my comment</description>
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		<title>By: Andreas</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/02/07/sunday-open-thread-metros-new-rules/#comment-104261</link>
		<dc:creator>Andreas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 17:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Next time call 911 the same as you would (should) for any other reckless driver.</description>
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