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		<title>By: voony</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/03/10/breaking-car-link-collision/#comment-109945</link>
		<dc:creator>voony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 00:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Collision Link is experimenting is the fate of any LRT system, and rider has to live with it:

I have post on it here: &lt;a href=&quot;http://voony.wordpress.com/2010/03/12/subway-and-lrt-safety-in-france/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Subway and lrt safety&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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Collision Link is experimenting is the fate of any LRT system, and rider has to live with it:</p>
<p>I have post on it here: <a href="http://voony.wordpress.com/2010/03/12/subway-and-lrt-safety-in-france/" rel="nofollow">Subway and lrt safety</a><!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: ericn</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/03/10/breaking-car-link-collision/#comment-109829</link>
		<dc:creator>ericn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 02:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a more recent example, &lt;a href=&quot;http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2011329264_apuslightrailfatals.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;someone in Salt Lake City drove through some crossing gates today&lt;/a&gt; and was hit by a train.</description>
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In a more recent example, <a href="http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2011329264_apuslightrailfatals.html" rel="nofollow">someone in Salt Lake City drove through some crossing gates today</a> and was hit by a train.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: litlnemo</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/03/10/breaking-car-link-collision/#comment-109812</link>
		<dc:creator>litlnemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 00:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Dawson St. intersection, northbound on MLK, where the first train/car accident occurred last April, did not seem to have a &quot;train approaching&quot; sign when I looked at it. However, you say that &quot;at intersections where no turns are allowed they are in the middle of the intersection just below the train signal&quot;, so it&#039;s possible I was looking in the wrong place for it (I didn&#039;t check when a train was coming by, just noticed that the sign wasn&#039;t at the place where it would be at the intersections that allow turns). At the time, I remember thinking that the Dawson intersection wasn&#039;t as well marked as it ought to be. Perhaps more signage has been added since then.</description>
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The Dawson St. intersection, northbound on MLK, where the first train/car accident occurred last April, did not seem to have a &#8220;train approaching&#8221; sign when I looked at it. However, you say that &#8220;at intersections where no turns are allowed they are in the middle of the intersection just below the train signal&#8221;, so it&#8217;s possible I was looking in the wrong place for it (I didn&#8217;t check when a train was coming by, just noticed that the sign wasn&#8217;t at the place where it would be at the intersections that allow turns). At the time, I remember thinking that the Dawson intersection wasn&#8217;t as well marked as it ought to be. Perhaps more signage has been added since then.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Doppmann</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/03/10/breaking-car-link-collision/#comment-109767</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Doppmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 20:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A sign posted next to the green straight arrow signal indicating no left turn or U turn, a straight arrow and &quot;only&quot; painted on the pavement in the left lane. And all intersections, left turns allowed or not,  have the bright blinking train approaching warning lights. The left turn lanes have them above next to the signal. At intersections where no turns are allowed they are in the middle of the intersection just below the train signal.

Kenyon Street does not allow left or U turns from the southbound lanes.

Makes me wonder what is distracting drivers so much to miss all these warnings.</description>
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A sign posted next to the green straight arrow signal indicating no left turn or U turn, a straight arrow and &#8220;only&#8221; painted on the pavement in the left lane. And all intersections, left turns allowed or not,  have the bright blinking train approaching warning lights. The left turn lanes have them above next to the signal. At intersections where no turns are allowed they are in the middle of the intersection just below the train signal.</p>
<p>Kenyon Street does not allow left or U turns from the southbound lanes.</p>
<p>Makes me wonder what is distracting drivers so much to miss all these warnings.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Mike Orr</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/03/10/breaking-car-link-collision/#comment-109760</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Orr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 19:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is an alternative to Link for getting to the airport, it&#039;s called the 124/174. It needs to be publicized more because so many people are thinking there&#039;s no other way to the airport now that the 194 is gone. The old route took 45 minutes. The new route may be slightly longer due to the transfer, but it&#039;s still usable if not fast. It also runs 24 hours, albeit with gaps of an hour or two at night.

It&#039;s also interesting that the 124 almost shadows Link, just making a big detour from SODO to TIB. So you could take one down and the other partway back, for instance to get to the Museum of Flight.

I think there will be a Georgetown express train eventually, stopping at SeaTac and then Tacoma. But that&#039;s a few decades away.</description>
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There is an alternative to Link for getting to the airport, it&#8217;s called the 124/174. It needs to be publicized more because so many people are thinking there&#8217;s no other way to the airport now that the 194 is gone. The old route took 45 minutes. The new route may be slightly longer due to the transfer, but it&#8217;s still usable if not fast. It also runs 24 hours, albeit with gaps of an hour or two at night.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also interesting that the 124 almost shadows Link, just making a big detour from SODO to TIB. So you could take one down and the other partway back, for instance to get to the Museum of Flight.</p>
<p>I think there will be a Georgetown express train eventually, stopping at SeaTac and then Tacoma. But that&#8217;s a few decades away.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Oran Viriyincy</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/03/10/breaking-car-link-collision/#comment-109690</link>
		<dc:creator>Oran Viriyincy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, Norman. Try reporting some positive comments for once.</description>
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		<title>By: Jason Mitchell</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/03/10/breaking-car-link-collision/#comment-109658</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 08:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the good laugh. My sides are hurting though.</description>
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		<title>By: litlnemo</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/03/10/breaking-car-link-collision/#comment-109651</link>
		<dc:creator>litlnemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 07:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I meant to say &quot;These are things that could happen to any system any time&quot;.</description>
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		<title>By: litlnemo</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/03/10/breaking-car-link-collision/#comment-109648</link>
		<dc:creator>litlnemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 07:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in SE Seattle and cross those streets regularly. How much do you walk around in Rainier Valley? 

I&#039;m sure there are some complainers, because there are always complainers no matter how good or bad a system is. What leads me to believe it is fiction is that you, and you alone seemingly, seem to always find these malcontents. The guy in Sodo might just want to catch an earlier train if he always has these problems. I haven&#039;t had the train make me late for work yet, and that is including Wednesday&#039;s delay (which was an extra 10 minutes for me).

Your 52 minute trip time is misleading because it was not a normal service day -- it was pre-announced that there would be shuttle buses and delays. So why complain? These are things that happen any time, and as I&#039;ve said elsewhere, delays happen to buses, too.</description>
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I live in SE Seattle and cross those streets regularly. How much do you walk around in Rainier Valley? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure there are some complainers, because there are always complainers no matter how good or bad a system is. What leads me to believe it is fiction is that you, and you alone seemingly, seem to always find these malcontents. The guy in Sodo might just want to catch an earlier train if he always has these problems. I haven&#8217;t had the train make me late for work yet, and that is including Wednesday&#8217;s delay (which was an extra 10 minutes for me).</p>
<p>Your 52 minute trip time is misleading because it was not a normal service day &#8212; it was pre-announced that there would be shuttle buses and delays. So why complain? These are things that happen any time, and as I&#8217;ve said elsewhere, delays happen to buses, too.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Norman</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/03/10/breaking-car-link-collision/#comment-109640</link>
		<dc:creator>Norman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 05:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, if I have the time, I will try to find the article in &quot;The Stranger&quot; which describes how Link made MLK UN-friendly for pedestrians.  &quot;The Stranger&quot; is not exactly anti-transit.

As for the guy at the SODO station who said he was going to be late for work AGAIN because of Link &quot;light snail&quot;:  I overheard him loudly complaining to a Metro supervisor on the SODO south-bound platform last Saturday at about 2:30 in the afternoon.  Find out who that Metro supervisor at SODO last Saturday afternoon was, and he can confirm that &quot;anecdote.&quot;  I bet he remembers that guy&#039;s complaints.

By the way, my trip from Westlake to SeaTac on the shuttle bus, then Link, took 52 minutes last Saturday.

And I guess the guy in Lindblom&#039;s story on Link and MLK Way, who screamed at a Link train, and flipped it off, was just fiction, too?</description>
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Well, if I have the time, I will try to find the article in &#8220;The Stranger&#8221; which describes how Link made MLK UN-friendly for pedestrians.  &#8220;The Stranger&#8221; is not exactly anti-transit.</p>
<p>As for the guy at the SODO station who said he was going to be late for work AGAIN because of Link &#8220;light snail&#8221;:  I overheard him loudly complaining to a Metro supervisor on the SODO south-bound platform last Saturday at about 2:30 in the afternoon.  Find out who that Metro supervisor at SODO last Saturday afternoon was, and he can confirm that &#8220;anecdote.&#8221;  I bet he remembers that guy&#8217;s complaints.</p>
<p>By the way, my trip from Westlake to SeaTac on the shuttle bus, then Link, took 52 minutes last Saturday.</p>
<p>And I guess the guy in Lindblom&#8217;s story on Link and MLK Way, who screamed at a Link train, and flipped it off, was just fiction, too?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Norman</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/03/10/breaking-car-link-collision/#comment-109639</link>
		<dc:creator>Norman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 05:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reduce Link frequency and use the savings to bring back express bus to the airport.  Buses cost much less per hour to operate than Link trains.  You would be saving money, and giving people a 10-minute-faster trip from Westlake to the airport.</description>
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Reduce Link frequency and use the savings to bring back express bus to the airport.  Buses cost much less per hour to operate than Link trains.  You would be saving money, and giving people a 10-minute-faster trip from Westlake to the airport.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: ericn</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/03/10/breaking-car-link-collision/#comment-109627</link>
		<dc:creator>ericn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 04:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Japan, the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nara_Line&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Nara Line&lt;/a&gt; runs local and express trains in both directions in a ROW that is mostly single tracked apart from stations! Of course, they&#039;re only able to do this due to extremely tight scheduling and and train priority at each intersection.</description>
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In Japan, the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nara_Line" rel="nofollow">Nara Line</a> runs local and express trains in both directions in a ROW that is mostly single tracked apart from stations! Of course, they&#8217;re only able to do this due to extremely tight scheduling and and train priority at each intersection.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Nathanael</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/03/10/breaking-car-link-collision/#comment-109614</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathanael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 03:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The LIRR runs an extraordinarily complicated mix of local and express services from something like a dozen branch lines *on a two-track railroad*.  This is done with SCHEDULING.

If you have more than one track, you can detour around an accident, have local and express trains, etc.  Buses, by the way, can&#039;t detour if all the lanes on the only road are blocked, either -- their sole advantage is a large installed base of roads.

And incidentally they can&#039;t be scheduled or dispatched to the same level of accuracy as trains, thanks to other road traffic.</description>
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The LIRR runs an extraordinarily complicated mix of local and express services from something like a dozen branch lines *on a two-track railroad*.  This is done with SCHEDULING.</p>
<p>If you have more than one track, you can detour around an accident, have local and express trains, etc.  Buses, by the way, can&#8217;t detour if all the lanes on the only road are blocked, either &#8212; their sole advantage is a large installed base of roads.</p>
<p>And incidentally they can&#8217;t be scheduled or dispatched to the same level of accuracy as trains, thanks to other road traffic.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Nathanael</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/03/10/breaking-car-link-collision/#comment-109613</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathanael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 03:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What is the point of running 2-car trains that are mostly empty most of the time? Reduce them to single-car “trains” most of the day, and/or reduce the frequency.&quot;

Transit 101 here.  Reducing the frequency reduces the ridership ALL DAY LONG on EVERY TRAIN because people plan their days based on the *availability* of a quick trip *if* they should need it (for an emergency or whatever).  So that is not a reasonable option.  15 minutes is about the lowest possible frequency for a &quot;turn up and go&quot; service, and that&#039;s a bit low -- 10 is about right.

Running single-car trains sounds totally reasonable until you add in coupling/uncoupling cost and time.  Given that this can only be done at the yard and involves the time of fairly expensive personnel, it may be that it&#039;s not cost-effective.

In a system with *many* lines, you can certainly do something like this:
-- run 2-car trains on the busiest line in rush hour, and 1-car trains with high frequency (say, every 2.5 minutes) on another line;
-- run 1-car trains on all lines outside of rush hour, at a lower frequency, mothballing the 2-car trains during the midday

You may see something like this after Seattle gets more of a network.  (And San Jose&#039;s VTA, with multiple underused lines, should be doing it already.)  On a single line you can&#039;t get as many benefits from running variable length consists.</description>
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&#8220;What is the point of running 2-car trains that are mostly empty most of the time? Reduce them to single-car “trains” most of the day, and/or reduce the frequency.&#8221;</p>
<p>Transit 101 here.  Reducing the frequency reduces the ridership ALL DAY LONG on EVERY TRAIN because people plan their days based on the *availability* of a quick trip *if* they should need it (for an emergency or whatever).  So that is not a reasonable option.  15 minutes is about the lowest possible frequency for a &#8220;turn up and go&#8221; service, and that&#8217;s a bit low &#8212; 10 is about right.</p>
<p>Running single-car trains sounds totally reasonable until you add in coupling/uncoupling cost and time.  Given that this can only be done at the yard and involves the time of fairly expensive personnel, it may be that it&#8217;s not cost-effective.</p>
<p>In a system with *many* lines, you can certainly do something like this:<br />
&#8211; run 2-car trains on the busiest line in rush hour, and 1-car trains with high frequency (say, every 2.5 minutes) on another line;<br />
&#8211; run 1-car trains on all lines outside of rush hour, at a lower frequency, mothballing the 2-car trains during the midday</p>
<p>You may see something like this after Seattle gets more of a network.  (And San Jose&#8217;s VTA, with multiple underused lines, should be doing it already.)  On a single line you can&#8217;t get as many benefits from running variable length consists.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Nathanael</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/03/10/breaking-car-link-collision/#comment-109612</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathanael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 03:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Second, Sound Transit needs to be honest with its reasons. If a train has been hit by a car, then say so.&quot;

I think the problem here is:
1. They use automated announcements, not live drivers.  (This is because live drivers often have a bad record with making clear, audible announcements.)
2. They don&#039;t have a procedure (or perhaps even the tech?) for getting new announcements pushed into the cars immediately if something odd happens.
3. There is not an awfully large selection of announcements.

These are understandable errors and could be fixed in a couple of different ways, some cheap, none outrageously expensive.  (I think the dispatching office should be able to record an announcement and upload it securely to all trains over, say, a few minutes....)</description>
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&#8220;Second, Sound Transit needs to be honest with its reasons. If a train has been hit by a car, then say so.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think the problem here is:<br />
1. They use automated announcements, not live drivers.  (This is because live drivers often have a bad record with making clear, audible announcements.)<br />
2. They don&#8217;t have a procedure (or perhaps even the tech?) for getting new announcements pushed into the cars immediately if something odd happens.<br />
3. There is not an awfully large selection of announcements.</p>
<p>These are understandable errors and could be fixed in a couple of different ways, some cheap, none outrageously expensive.  (I think the dispatching office should be able to record an announcement and upload it securely to all trains over, say, a few minutes&#8230;.)<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Kelley</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/03/10/breaking-car-link-collision/#comment-109600</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua Kelley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 01:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s &quot;The next train southbound will be arriving in two minutes.&quot;</description>
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		<title>By: litlnemo</title>
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		<dc:creator>litlnemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 23:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is the intersection where the accident occurred one that allows left turns when the light is green (and thus, the driver ran a red to do this) or is it one that is marked &quot;no left turn&quot;? I noticed that at least one of the &quot;no left turn&quot; intersections on MLK is not as clearly marked as one would like -- since left turns aren&#039;t allowed there, they didn&#039;t put in the &quot;train approaching&quot; lights and stuff, just a sign posted very high-up that indicates that there is no left turn. Granted, people should still see those, but I can imagine some people missing them, particularly if unfamiliar with the area. I would like to see every intersection have very, very clear and bright indications if there is no turn allowed. Signs should be impossible to miss, and be posted, perhaps, both up high, and lower, in an easy to see location.

I know one of the previous accidents was at one of the &quot;no left turn&quot; intersections, without the illuminated &quot;train approaching&quot; light.</description>
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Is the intersection where the accident occurred one that allows left turns when the light is green (and thus, the driver ran a red to do this) or is it one that is marked &#8220;no left turn&#8221;? I noticed that at least one of the &#8220;no left turn&#8221; intersections on MLK is not as clearly marked as one would like &#8212; since left turns aren&#8217;t allowed there, they didn&#8217;t put in the &#8220;train approaching&#8221; lights and stuff, just a sign posted very high-up that indicates that there is no left turn. Granted, people should still see those, but I can imagine some people missing them, particularly if unfamiliar with the area. I would like to see every intersection have very, very clear and bright indications if there is no turn allowed. Signs should be impossible to miss, and be posted, perhaps, both up high, and lower, in an easy to see location.</p>
<p>I know one of the previous accidents was at one of the &#8220;no left turn&#8221; intersections, without the illuminated &#8220;train approaching&#8221; light.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: litlnemo</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 23:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, and this needs to be made very clear to ST. Passengers are very understanding when they know what&#039;s going on -- less so when they aren&#039;t told. 

Incidentally, I entered Beacon Hill Station just after 4:15 yesterday and there was a relatively large crowd, and two security guards (including a ticket inspection agent) in there telling everyone about the crash. I only caught the tail end of it, but at least someone let people know. There should have been periodic announcements over the PA, though. (&quot;Train has been delayed due to an accident on the line,&quot; or something like that. I suppose they don&#039;t want to upset or panic people, but come on!)

After I was there for about 10 minutes the two minute announcement came on, and then a northbound train came through two minutes later, so the delay wasn&#039;t too bad for me. I don&#039;t know how long the other people were waiting, though!</description>
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I agree, and this needs to be made very clear to ST. Passengers are very understanding when they know what&#8217;s going on &#8212; less so when they aren&#8217;t told. </p>
<p>Incidentally, I entered Beacon Hill Station just after 4:15 yesterday and there was a relatively large crowd, and two security guards (including a ticket inspection agent) in there telling everyone about the crash. I only caught the tail end of it, but at least someone let people know. There should have been periodic announcements over the PA, though. (&#8220;Train has been delayed due to an accident on the line,&#8221; or something like that. I suppose they don&#8217;t want to upset or panic people, but come on!)</p>
<p>After I was there for about 10 minutes the two minute announcement came on, and then a northbound train came through two minutes later, so the delay wasn&#8217;t too bad for me. I don&#8217;t know how long the other people were waiting, though!<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: litlnemo</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 23:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;With regard to express trains, I wasn’t thinking of alternate or bypass tracks, but actually of say making at least three out of six trains an hour not stopping at the Rainier Valley stations.&quot;

This would cripple service (by reducing it 50%) in SE Seattle in order to make the train run a few minutes faster for people going to the airport. Nice. 

Link is not an airport shuttle. It goes to the airport, but for only 5-10 minutes additional time, it also manages to serve thousands of people in SE Seattle who were not well-served by the 194. It expanded quick, cheap and reliable service to the airport for thousands while also providing quick, cheap, and reliable service throughout SE Seattle and through downtown.

I understand that people who were affected by yesterday&#039;s delay would be upset, but reasonable people know these things happen. And they happen on buses, too. One accident in the wrong place and time and your bus trip could also take three times as long as it&#039;s scheduled to, despite buses&#039; vaunted &quot;flexibility.&quot; In general, Link&#039;s arrival times will be far more reliable than the 194&#039;s could be, and it runs more often and serves more people to boot.  All of this worrying about express lines and skipping the Valley seems wasteful, to me.</description>
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&#8220;With regard to express trains, I wasn’t thinking of alternate or bypass tracks, but actually of say making at least three out of six trains an hour not stopping at the Rainier Valley stations.&#8221;</p>
<p>This would cripple service (by reducing it 50%) in SE Seattle in order to make the train run a few minutes faster for people going to the airport. Nice. </p>
<p>Link is not an airport shuttle. It goes to the airport, but for only 5-10 minutes additional time, it also manages to serve thousands of people in SE Seattle who were not well-served by the 194. It expanded quick, cheap and reliable service to the airport for thousands while also providing quick, cheap, and reliable service throughout SE Seattle and through downtown.</p>
<p>I understand that people who were affected by yesterday&#8217;s delay would be upset, but reasonable people know these things happen. And they happen on buses, too. One accident in the wrong place and time and your bus trip could also take three times as long as it&#8217;s scheduled to, despite buses&#8217; vaunted &#8220;flexibility.&#8221; In general, Link&#8217;s arrival times will be far more reliable than the 194&#8242;s could be, and it runs more often and serves more people to boot.  All of this worrying about express lines and skipping the Valley seems wasteful, to me.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: litlnemo</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 23:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More and more of it sounds like fiction to me. All of these random conversations with people on Link who hate the system -- I never hear people complaining like that, though admittedly I don&#039;t go strike up conversations with strangers on the train very much. (I&#039;m a native Seattleite; it&#039;s not in my DNA to be extroverted!) I do listen to other people talking, though, and generally they are pretty happy with the system. I can&#039;t think of a single time I&#039;ve overheard a conversation with people saying they hated Link and would never ride again.

Crossing MLK is much nicer now -- upgraded signals and a place to wait in the middle of the street if necessary. Also, separation of the two sides of traffic. 

Not to mention how much nicer the street looks these days.

&quot;Everyone knows that the intersectsion along MLK were much more pedestrian-friendly and vehicle-friendly before Link trains started operating&quot; is complete and utter fiction.</description>
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More and more of it sounds like fiction to me. All of these random conversations with people on Link who hate the system &#8212; I never hear people complaining like that, though admittedly I don&#8217;t go strike up conversations with strangers on the train very much. (I&#8217;m a native Seattleite; it&#8217;s not in my DNA to be extroverted!) I do listen to other people talking, though, and generally they are pretty happy with the system. I can&#8217;t think of a single time I&#8217;ve overheard a conversation with people saying they hated Link and would never ride again.</p>
<p>Crossing MLK is much nicer now &#8212; upgraded signals and a place to wait in the middle of the street if necessary. Also, separation of the two sides of traffic. </p>
<p>Not to mention how much nicer the street looks these days.</p>
<p>&#8220;Everyone knows that the intersectsion along MLK were much more pedestrian-friendly and vehicle-friendly before Link trains started operating&#8221; is complete and utter fiction.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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