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	<title>Comments on: Bikeability Analysis: Portland and Seattle</title>
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		<title>By: John Bailo</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/04/20/portland-and-seattle-bicycle-analysis/#comment-116843</link>
		<dc:creator>John Bailo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 06:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Climate change is bringing more water to the dry western states.   It should be positively lush in a few years.</description>
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Climate change is bringing more water to the dry western states.   It should be positively lush in a few years.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: doug</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/04/20/portland-and-seattle-bicycle-analysis/#comment-116423</link>
		<dc:creator>doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Apr 2010 04:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When we get married, my girlfriend and I are planning to purchase some sort of electric-assist cargo bike.  Something along these lines:  

http://clevercycles.com/products/stokemonkey/


Such a bicycle literally renders a car unnecessary for in-city travel of any sort.</description>
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When we get married, my girlfriend and I are planning to purchase some sort of electric-assist cargo bike.  Something along these lines:  </p>
<p><a href="http://clevercycles.com/products/stokemonkey/" rel="nofollow">http://clevercycles.com/products/stokemonkey/</a></p>
<p>Such a bicycle literally renders a car unnecessary for in-city travel of any sort.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: joshuadf</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/04/20/portland-and-seattle-bicycle-analysis/#comment-116379</link>
		<dc:creator>joshuadf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 21:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just saw this about California City, CA: &quot;California City had its origins in 1958 when real estate developer and sociology professor Nat Mendelsohn purchased 80,000 acres (320 km2) of Mojave Desert land with the aim of master-planning California&#039;s next great city. He designed his model city, which he hoped would one day rival Los Angeles in size, around a Central Park with a 26-acre (11 ha) artificial lake. Growth did not happen anywhere close to what he expected. To this day a vast grid of crumbling paved roads, scarring vast stretches of the Mojave desert, intended to lay out residential blocks, extends well beyond the developed area of the city. A single look at satellite photos shows the extent of the scarred desert and how it stakes its claim to being California&#039;s 3rd largest geographic city&quot;

http://www.carfreeinbigd.com/2010/04/thirsty-thursday-linkages_22.html

With only 14,000 people and all those extra roads, I imaging biking would be pretty easy except that the roads are wearing out!</description>
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I just saw this about California City, CA: &#8220;California City had its origins in 1958 when real estate developer and sociology professor Nat Mendelsohn purchased 80,000 acres (320 km2) of Mojave Desert land with the aim of master-planning California&#8217;s next great city. He designed his model city, which he hoped would one day rival Los Angeles in size, around a Central Park with a 26-acre (11 ha) artificial lake. Growth did not happen anywhere close to what he expected. To this day a vast grid of crumbling paved roads, scarring vast stretches of the Mojave desert, intended to lay out residential blocks, extends well beyond the developed area of the city. A single look at satellite photos shows the extent of the scarred desert and how it stakes its claim to being California&#8217;s 3rd largest geographic city&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.carfreeinbigd.com/2010/04/thirsty-thursday-linkages_22.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.carfreeinbigd.com/2010/04/thirsty-thursday-linkages_22.html</a></p>
<p>With only 14,000 people and all those extra roads, I imaging biking would be pretty easy except that the roads are wearing out!<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Mike Orr</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/04/20/portland-and-seattle-bicycle-analysis/#comment-116239</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Orr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 20:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mixed zoning might work. Say, up to 50% of the building can be residential. You&#039;re right that there are different kinds of industry, and some make better neighbors than others. The ones in SODO aren&#039;t loud or polluting, so they&#039;d be good candidates for mixed use.</description>
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Mixed zoning might work. Say, up to 50% of the building can be residential. You&#8217;re right that there are different kinds of industry, and some make better neighbors than others. The ones in SODO aren&#8217;t loud or polluting, so they&#8217;d be good candidates for mixed use.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Mike Orr</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/04/20/portland-and-seattle-bicycle-analysis/#comment-116206</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Orr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 17:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There are very steep grades cutting off First Hill and Capitol Hill from downtown&quot;

Well yes, but Capitol Hill and First Hill form a ridge, so once you get to the highlands you can ride N-S along it without difficulty. For E-W, Pike and Pine Streets are pretty gradual from Pike Place to 14th, and Pine/Madison will take you to 23rd.

Beacon Hill also forms a ridge, so you can go from Jackson to Cloverdale pretty easily, and there&#039;s a cute bike trail in the middle part. Beacon just needs more business destinations to ride to. :) And if you ignore the hill from Jackson to James, Capitol/First/Beacon almost forms a single ridge.

Are there similar flat-ish routes in West Seattle? I don&#039;t know that area well enough.</description>
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&#8220;There are very steep grades cutting off First Hill and Capitol Hill from downtown&#8221;</p>
<p>Well yes, but Capitol Hill and First Hill form a ridge, so once you get to the highlands you can ride N-S along it without difficulty. For E-W, Pike and Pine Streets are pretty gradual from Pike Place to 14th, and Pine/Madison will take you to 23rd.</p>
<p>Beacon Hill also forms a ridge, so you can go from Jackson to Cloverdale pretty easily, and there&#8217;s a cute bike trail in the middle part. Beacon just needs more business destinations to ride to. :) And if you ignore the hill from Jackson to James, Capitol/First/Beacon almost forms a single ridge.</p>
<p>Are there similar flat-ish routes in West Seattle? I don&#8217;t know that area well enough.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/04/20/portland-and-seattle-bicycle-analysis/#comment-116132</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 04:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Adam - terrific report, definitely. That said, I do think that hills are weighed much too highly (:-) here. I&#039;d rather climb two Seattle hills than deal with the North wind that sweeps across Amsterdam, and yet the Dutch ride their upright bikes into the teeth of near gale conditions. Same thing with Danish snow, ice and cold (Brrr!). Infrastructure can make up for a lot of negatives. 

And besides e-assist bikes are becoming better and cheaper every year - the Chinese and European markets are driving both innovation and volumes like crazy. The numbers are amazing. 20M bikes sold in China last year alone. In Holland one out of eight bikes that are sold are e-bikes - over 150k e-bikes in 2009 (out of a population of 16M - equiv to selling 3M e-bikes in US!). (Most Chinese bikes are more scooters than e-assist bikes, but the Euro e-bikes are increasingly fun to ride bikes that just can help you climb.) As lots of posters have pointed out e-bikes do a pretty good job of neutralizing hills.

Seattle has tremendous upside to gain from more biking. A modest investment in infrastructure would pay big returns in improved health (more exercise, less bad air &amp; childhood asthma), lower congestion (big win for drivers), more resilience to upcoming oil price volatility, and overall just make Seattle a nicer place to be. 

Refs:

Chinese e-bikes have caused lead prices to increase 50%:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601012&amp;sid=agg8UO2s03Lo

Dutch e-bike sales:
http://www.bike-eu.com/news/4030/in-holland-one-out-of-eight-bikes-is-electric.html</description>
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Hey Adam &#8211; terrific report, definitely. That said, I do think that hills are weighed much too highly (:-) here. I&#8217;d rather climb two Seattle hills than deal with the North wind that sweeps across Amsterdam, and yet the Dutch ride their upright bikes into the teeth of near gale conditions. Same thing with Danish snow, ice and cold (Brrr!). Infrastructure can make up for a lot of negatives. </p>
<p>And besides e-assist bikes are becoming better and cheaper every year &#8211; the Chinese and European markets are driving both innovation and volumes like crazy. The numbers are amazing. 20M bikes sold in China last year alone. In Holland one out of eight bikes that are sold are e-bikes &#8211; over 150k e-bikes in 2009 (out of a population of 16M &#8211; equiv to selling 3M e-bikes in US!). (Most Chinese bikes are more scooters than e-assist bikes, but the Euro e-bikes are increasingly fun to ride bikes that just can help you climb.) As lots of posters have pointed out e-bikes do a pretty good job of neutralizing hills.</p>
<p>Seattle has tremendous upside to gain from more biking. A modest investment in infrastructure would pay big returns in improved health (more exercise, less bad air &amp; childhood asthma), lower congestion (big win for drivers), more resilience to upcoming oil price volatility, and overall just make Seattle a nicer place to be. </p>
<p>Refs:</p>
<p>Chinese e-bikes have caused lead prices to increase 50%:<br />
<a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601012&#038;sid=agg8UO2s03Lo" rel="nofollow">http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601012&#038;sid=agg8UO2s03Lo</a></p>
<p>Dutch e-bike sales:<br />
<a href="http://www.bike-eu.com/news/4030/in-holland-one-out-of-eight-bikes-is-electric.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.bike-eu.com/news/4030/in-holland-one-out-of-eight-bikes-is-electric.html</a><!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/04/20/portland-and-seattle-bicycle-analysis/#comment-116108</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 01:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>e-bikes are still a lot cheaper than cars and will get much less expensive as the tech ramps up - the Chinese are building them as fast as they can more or less. And they let you get as much exercise as you like - not a bad thing :-)</description>
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e-bikes are still a lot cheaper than cars and will get much less expensive as the tech ramps up &#8211; the Chinese are building them as fast as they can more or less. And they let you get as much exercise as you like &#8211; not a bad thing :-)<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 01:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree. I&#039;m in my forties and live in Wallingford and the hills in N Seattle aren&#039;t a barrier to going a few miles to the market in Fremont and hauling food back up the hill. When you start talking 10+ miles it&#039;s a different story and that&#039;s when an e-bike would be nice for a lot of folks. This analysis puts too much store in slope...</description>
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I agree. I&#8217;m in my forties and live in Wallingford and the hills in N Seattle aren&#8217;t a barrier to going a few miles to the market in Fremont and hauling food back up the hill. When you start talking 10+ miles it&#8217;s a different story and that&#8217;s when an e-bike would be nice for a lot of folks. This analysis puts too much store in slope&#8230;<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: josh</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/04/20/portland-and-seattle-bicycle-analysis/#comment-116063</link>
		<dc:creator>josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 22:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Much depends on the type of industrial use, too.

While it&#039;s an abomination to the &quot;shining city on a hill&quot; types, many industrial workers would *love* affordable apartments within manufacturing complexes.  

For many years in many cities, zoning purists banned residential-over-retail and residential-over-office before rediscovering the value in these mixed-use combinations.  I&#039;m not suggesting living in a foundry or over a chemical plant, but many light manufacturing operations would be entirely compatible with an added story of residential use.  

Zoning for mixed use can prohibit exclusively-residential use while encouraging residential over compatible industry.  Given the cost of housing elsewhere in the city, residential developers could well subsidize low-rent light industrial space to create market-rate worker housing.  More industry &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; more housing with &lt;i&gt;fewer&lt;/i&gt; commute trips.

It&#039;s hard to beat just walking down stairs as a commute.</description>
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Much depends on the type of industrial use, too.</p>
<p>While it&#8217;s an abomination to the &#8220;shining city on a hill&#8221; types, many industrial workers would *love* affordable apartments within manufacturing complexes.  </p>
<p>For many years in many cities, zoning purists banned residential-over-retail and residential-over-office before rediscovering the value in these mixed-use combinations.  I&#8217;m not suggesting living in a foundry or over a chemical plant, but many light manufacturing operations would be entirely compatible with an added story of residential use.  </p>
<p>Zoning for mixed use can prohibit exclusively-residential use while encouraging residential over compatible industry.  Given the cost of housing elsewhere in the city, residential developers could well subsidize low-rent light industrial space to create market-rate worker housing.  More industry <i>and</i> more housing with <i>fewer</i> commute trips.</p>
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		<title>By: josh</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/04/20/portland-and-seattle-bicycle-analysis/#comment-116057</link>
		<dc:creator>josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 21:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s been more than 20 years since I was a 20-something racer, and Seattle is still quite a bikeable town if you have reasonable gearing, and no that doesn&#039;t require an expensive or exotic bike.  

Hills may be slower than flatland riding, but they really aren&#039;t a barrier to utility cycling.  (This morning on my way up to Beacon Hill to get on the I-90 trail, I was passed by a rider old enough to be my father, riding a sit-up-and-beg three speed.)

Throw in the booming market in &lt;a&gt;electric-assist bicycles&lt;/a&gt; and hills really aren&#039;t the barrier they may seem.</description>
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It&#8217;s been more than 20 years since I was a 20-something racer, and Seattle is still quite a bikeable town if you have reasonable gearing, and no that doesn&#8217;t require an expensive or exotic bike.  </p>
<p>Hills may be slower than flatland riding, but they really aren&#8217;t a barrier to utility cycling.  (This morning on my way up to Beacon Hill to get on the I-90 trail, I was passed by a rider old enough to be my father, riding a sit-up-and-beg three speed.)</p>
<p>Throw in the booming market in <a>electric-assist bicycles</a> and hills really aren&#8217;t the barrier they may seem.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 20:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was in Djursholm.  The subway wasn&#039;t very convenient because you had to take a bus to get to it.  The train was ok as long as you wanted to go to the area around KTH.  If you wanted to go downtown then a bike was the fastest way.  I was there in June so unless you wanted to come home between 1 and 2 in the morning you didn&#039;t even need a light.</description>
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I was in Djursholm.  The subway wasn&#8217;t very convenient because you had to take a bus to get to it.  The train was ok as long as you wanted to go to the area around KTH.  If you wanted to go downtown then a bike was the fastest way.  I was there in June so unless you wanted to come home between 1 and 2 in the morning you didn&#8217;t even need a light.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 20:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve added three things to my commuter bike which seem to make a difference:

An air horn, so I can alert buses that are loading/unloading that I&#039;m coming around.
http://www.amazon.com/Delta-Airzound-Bike-Horn/dp/B000ACAMJC

A class 3 highway reflective vest. So people can see me at a distance and make a lane choice adjustment before being right on top of me.
http://www.westernsafety.com/britethreads2009/britethreads2009Surveyors.html


A set of lights that is visible from mars.. no kidding, but they are the brightest things I could afford.

http://www.dinotte.com  (400L/400R riders package)

Now when cars approach me they roll down their windows and say &quot;Hey! Those are incredibly bright lights! I saw you a mile back.&quot;</description>
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I&#8217;ve added three things to my commuter bike which seem to make a difference:</p>
<p>An air horn, so I can alert buses that are loading/unloading that I&#8217;m coming around.<br />
<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Delta-Airzound-Bike-Horn/dp/B000ACAMJC" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Delta-Airzound-Bike-Horn/dp/B000ACAMJC</a></p>
<p>A class 3 highway reflective vest. So people can see me at a distance and make a lane choice adjustment before being right on top of me.<br />
<a href="http://www.westernsafety.com/britethreads2009/britethreads2009Surveyors.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.westernsafety.com/britethreads2009/britethreads2009Surveyors.html</a></p>
<p>A set of lights that is visible from mars.. no kidding, but they are the brightest things I could afford.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dinotte.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.dinotte.com</a>  (400L/400R riders package)</p>
<p>Now when cars approach me they roll down their windows and say &#8220;Hey! Those are incredibly bright lights! I saw you a mile back.&#8221;<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 20:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We can add hill climbing assists like they have in Norway.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7j1PgmMbug8

it&#039;s not about the hills... it&#039;s about the rights of bicyclists to be on the road and not be run down.</description>
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We can add hill climbing assists like they have in Norway.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7j1PgmMbug8" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7j1PgmMbug8</a></p>
<p>it&#8217;s not about the hills&#8230; it&#8217;s about the rights of bicyclists to be on the road and not be run down.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 20:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Bike Tunnel&quot; yep got two... one on I-90 and another up at Snoqualmie pass.

&quot;Can&#039;t get rid of hills&quot; ah we tried that. One only needs to look at an old map of Seattle to see the hills that used to be here.</description>
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&#8220;Bike Tunnel&#8221; yep got two&#8230; one on I-90 and another up at Snoqualmie pass.</p>
<p>&#8220;Can&#8217;t get rid of hills&#8221; ah we tried that. One only needs to look at an old map of Seattle to see the hills that used to be here.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Mike Orr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Orr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 19:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did it with the &quot;lines&quot; rather than the &quot;lines along streets&quot; option. The latter adds extra turns in the route which may be necessary for motorists (or may be due to faulty map data), but which a bicycle or pedestrian would not do.

I started a companion map of bad (i.e., unsafe) bicycle routes.</description>
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I did it with the &#8220;lines&#8221; rather than the &#8220;lines along streets&#8221; option. The latter adds extra turns in the route which may be necessary for motorists (or may be due to faulty map data), but which a bicycle or pedestrian would not do.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Orr</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/04/20/portland-and-seattle-bicycle-analysis/#comment-116024</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Orr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 19:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Imagine going to the center of Washington and picking out some choice flat ground&quot;

Can we wish for a water-creation machine too? Eastern Washington would need more water if it&#039;s to support a large population.</description>
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&#8220;Imagine going to the center of Washington and picking out some choice flat ground&#8221;</p>
<p>Can we wish for a water-creation machine too? Eastern Washington would need more water if it&#8217;s to support a large population.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: John Bailo</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/04/20/portland-and-seattle-bicycle-analysis/#comment-116018</link>
		<dc:creator>John Bailo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 18:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, take a look at this (no, I&#039;m not adversting it, I&#039;m just using it as an example), The Landing In Renton:

ttp://www.thelandinginrenton.com/


http://www.thelandinginrenton.com/apartments.php

The brand new town square mall in Renton (near Fry&#039;s and the old Boeing plant).

If they can build this type of planned community then they can build &quot;bike communites&quot;.

In face, something like this, will a &quot;town center&quot; that has lots of little streets, open air shops, traffic calming devices like circles, proves to me that rebuilding can make a town better than many exsiting Seattle neighborhoods.</description>
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Well, take a look at this (no, I&#8217;m not adversting it, I&#8217;m just using it as an example), The Landing In Renton:</p>
<p>ttp://www.thelandinginrenton.com/</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thelandinginrenton.com/apartments.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.thelandinginrenton.com/apartments.php</a></p>
<p>The brand new town square mall in Renton (near Fry&#8217;s and the old Boeing plant).</p>
<p>If they can build this type of planned community then they can build &#8220;bike communites&#8221;.</p>
<p>In face, something like this, will a &#8220;town center&#8221; that has lots of little streets, open air shops, traffic calming devices like circles, proves to me that rebuilding can make a town better than many exsiting Seattle neighborhoods.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: VeloBusDriver</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/04/20/portland-and-seattle-bicycle-analysis/#comment-116007</link>
		<dc:creator>VeloBusDriver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 18:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They do, although it&#039;s seriously Beta material in need of a lot of feedback.  Google suggested I ride across I-90 and then down Rainier Ave to get to Mount Baker.  Yikes!</description>
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They do, although it&#8217;s seriously Beta material in need of a lot of feedback.  Google suggested I ride across I-90 and then down Rainier Ave to get to Mount Baker.  Yikes!<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: David Seater</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/04/20/portland-and-seattle-bicycle-analysis/#comment-116006</link>
		<dc:creator>David Seater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 17:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like &lt;a href=&quot;http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&amp;source=s_q&amp;hl=en&amp;geocode=&amp;q=Seattle,+WA&amp;sll=37.0625,-95.677068&amp;sspn=53.345014,79.013672&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;hq=&amp;hnear=Seattle,+King,+Washington&amp;ll=47.621323,-122.320747&amp;spn=0.089671,0.219727&amp;z=13&amp;lci=bike&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;? :)</description>
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Like <a href="http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&amp;source=s_q&amp;hl=en&amp;geocode=&amp;q=Seattle,+WA&amp;sll=37.0625,-95.677068&amp;sspn=53.345014,79.013672&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;hq=&amp;hnear=Seattle,+King,+Washington&amp;ll=47.621323,-122.320747&amp;spn=0.089671,0.219727&amp;z=13&amp;lci=bike" rel="nofollow">this</a>? :)<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Adam B. Parast</title>
		<link>http://seattletransitblog.com/2010/04/20/portland-and-seattle-bicycle-analysis/#comment-116005</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam B. Parast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 17:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes certainly. This analysis did take into account bike lanes, bike paths, etc. so in that way it does take safety or at least the perception of safety into account.</description>
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Yes certainly. This analysis did take into account bike lanes, bike paths, etc. so in that way it does take safety or at least the perception of safety into account.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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