Here is a video that Sound Transit took of Central Link coming into Westlake Station. Looks to be about the 15-20mph speed limit for that curve as well.
http://www.soundtransit.org/x5492.xml
Sound Transit…moving forward =D
Here is a video that Sound Transit took of Central Link coming into Westlake Station. Looks to be about the 15-20mph speed limit for that curve as well.
http://www.soundtransit.org/x5492.xml
Sound Transit…moving forward =D
For those curious on the track construction going on at King Street Station in Seattle. The new tracks, which will be used for freight trains and Sounder Commuter trains will start it’s “cutover” in June of 2008. This date however has changed a few times since it was originally announced but tentatively speaking, it “should” be around the Summer time.
Once the track work is finished, work will start on extending the Sounder platform to allow for longer train sets or multiple train sets.
The current arrangement in the long term doesn’t support the expected growth slated for King Street Station, which also includes Amtrak. The furthest stud track – King Street 7, will get a passenger platform that could be used for Sounder trains for the Seahawks or Mariners. That is still up in the air though and still would be a few years out but it would prevent the walking up and over the Weller Street overpass to either stadium.
Looking at the second photo above, the 3 tracks (L-R, Main 2, Main 1, King Street 1) will continue straight to the new connection. The platform will extend about 80-160 feet. King Street 2 will be extended and connected to the stub switch (middle of photo) This will allow direct access to King Street for the commuter trains.
Speeds will increase from 20mph to 30 or 40mph but that is pending on the Lander Street Overpass project
More information on the project can be found here
http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/Projects/Rail/KingStreetStationRenovation/
and here…
http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/Projects/Rail/KingStreetStation/
Those of you whom managed to get to work and didn’t have much in the way of hills today are lucky. My bus this morning jack knifed heading up Kent – Des Moines hill between Meeker and Military Road. A 20 minute walk back home and slipping twice was enough for me just to stay home.
Sounder was on time today though….Portland MAX, Seattle Streetcar, Portland Streetcar, Tacoma Link are also running just fine…rail is superior when it comes to weather like this. O.o
As many as four times a day, riders have complained that the ticket-dispensing machines wouldn’t take dollar bills.
Melone said the problem is in the machines’ hardware and software and that streetcar manufacturer Inekon, based in the Czech Republic, is working to fix it.
The timing of the machines also was changed so it can take single bills; eventually they’ll be fixed to take two $1 bills consecutively, but in the meantime, “we’re discouraging people from feeding two consecutive bills. … We will modify that so that can be done,” Melone said.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/transportation/347810_streetcar18.html
There has been a lot of commotion regarding disbanding Sound Transit that the news hasn’t brought up as of late.
The following blogs have information in regards to this troubling news.
Seattle Transit – http://seatrans.blogspot.com/ (Battle Stations, Everyone)
Carless in Seattle – http://blog.carlessinseattle.us/ (Worrying hints from Olympia)
The Stranger Slog – http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/resolved_sound_transit_dissolved
If this bill gets signed, I will vote for anybody else but Gregorie, she will lose the election to Rossi, one way or another.
If this is their way to ensure that Sound Transit doesn’t come to a vote in November 2008, this is as low as they could possibly go. Btw, This would STOP the University Link from being built if this is approved.
The City of Mukilteo seems to keep getting put on the side burner for it’s State Projects….
The biggest questions regarding Mukilteo’s waterfront hinge on the plans for a new ferry terminal — a project considered by city officials to be the lynchpin for future development on the waterfront.
Construction on the Mukilteo ferry terminal was expected to start this year and cost up to $156 million. The state already had secured $148 million in state and federal funding.
However, the discovery of the remains of an American Indian village where the terminal was planned and other complications have delayed the project until at least 2011. The new terminal is now expected to cost as much as $310 million.
It’s a shame that projects of this much importance keeps getting held back. A new ferry terminal with easy connections to Sounder Commuter Rail to Everett or Seattle. With all of these delays, it also delays the future for the Old Town of Mukilteo which has plans of redevelopment focusing around the new ferry terminal and Sounder station.
More can be read thanks to the Everett Herald.
http://heraldnet.com/article/20080114/NEWS01/239952274&SearchID=73305851473410
Greetings from Metro Route 212. It’s around 5:16pm and I’m on my way home from work at Eastgate Park and Ride. I must say that besides traffic sucking it’s usual self, this internet is pretty damn fast!
Also, mybus is a godsend. I never used it until now and even though it doesn’t work on my T-Mobile Stripe, the website is good enough considering I’m a 5 minute walk to the campus.
Now if only Metro would install 110volt outlets, I’d be a very happy camper.
Wonder how it is on Sounder…
Guess we’ll find out at 5:55pm =)
Update: 5:22pm Were on I-90 in the HOV lane and traffic is completely stopped on I-90 Westbound. Sucks that this lane doesn’t go into the reversible lanes… I have a feeling I’m going to miss my train now =(
Update: 5:25pm Ok, so we passed the small accident and cruising at 60mph and going through the Mt. Baker Tunnel. Ran a speed test in the tunnel and the connection held! Kick ass!
Last Result:
Download Speed: 391 kbps (48.9 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 109 kbps (13.6 KB/sec transfer rate)
Update 5:31pm I redid the test in the open land. Didn’t really change much at all. Just left I-90 and Rainier Ave Freeway Station. Looks like the interchange for I-5 is jammed in it’s usual affair.
I’ll be back when I walk over to King Street Station.
Update 5:51pm: Onboard Sounder 1511 to Tacoma (Well Kent Station for me) and the wifi is pretty good onboard. Can’t get a speed test though from Speakeasy. Seems about as fast as Metro.
Update: Departed ontime from KSS, this was the only speed test I was able to get.
Last Result:
Download Speed: 43 kbps (5.4 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 138 kbps (17.3 KB/sec transfer rate)
Odd….
Update 6:46pm: I’m now at home… It sucks that the 166 departs 2 minutes before Sounder arrives (Bus leaves at 6:15pm, train arrives at 6:17pm) so I ended up taking the Route 183 home instead of the 166.
Just a comparison to home internet – We use Qwest DSL only cause we got suckered into a 2 year contract…ugh.
Last Result:
Download Speed: 1305 kbps (163.1 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 617 kbps (77.1 KB/sec transfer rate)
After asking a few friends of mine, it seems that ST and Metro both use the same carrier. I think I am going to try it again in the morning if I get a chance. I found a rather addicting game online and been itching to kill time with it!
Just for those wondering, I cleaned this post up a bit. It was kinda sloppy since I didn’t know if the connection would actually hold as well but yes, it does appear that Sounder is pretty slow for wireless internet while Metro (not sure on ST buses yet) are decent. I had no problems surfing the internet and posting the blogs on Metro but on Sounder it timed out a few times while doing Google searches.
I would say they did very well in 2007 with a lot completed and accomplished. This is only adding to the State Auditors findings that ST is a well organized and set agency with the goal of bringing gridlock to as minimal as possible.
http://www.soundtransit.org/x7158.xml
Download the 2007 Milestones Year-end report (PDF, 2 MB) >>>
• Started a reverse Sounder commute between Seattle and Tacoma.
• Started a new Tacoma-to-Seattle run.
• Started a third Sounder North line trip.
• Broke ground on the Lakewood Station.
• Broke ground on the Mukilteo Station.
• Opened the Totem Lake Freeway Station.
• Opened the Canyon Park Freeway Station.
• Broke ground on the I-90 Two Way Transit and HOV lanes Stage 1 project.
• Broke ground on the Redmond Transit Center.
• Broke ground on the Redmond Way transit improvements.
• Broke ground on the Totem Lake Transit Center.
• Broke ground on the North Everett/College Station Transit Center.
• Federal grant awarded for senior housing development at Federal Way Transit Center.
• Opened the Link light rail Operations & Maintenance Facility.
• Broke through the first Beacon Hill East Portal with the Link tunnel boring machine.
• Completed excavating the Beacon Hill Station.
• Completed Tukwila International Blvd Station.
• Installed Tacoma Link stations closed-circuit television system.
• Completed University Link light rail’s design and cost estimate.
• Finished resurfacing Pine Street in downtown Seattle.
• Reached agreement with University of Washington on University Link.
• Reopened the Downtown Seattle Transit Tunnel for bus service. (1 Week Late)
• Reached 10 miles of continuous rail laid from Tukwila through the Rainier Valley.
• Began work on the SeaTac/Airport Station.
• Began final assembly of Link light rail trains. (In Everett)
• Began testing light rail trains. (Between DSTT and Operations and Maintenance Facility)
• Carried about 14 million passengers combined on trains and buses
• Reached 73 million in total lifetime ridership.
• Completed Smart Card beta test. (Orca card)
• Board adopted final Sound Transit 2 package for expansion of the regional transit system.
• Public voted on Sound Transit 2 package. (Failed)
• State Performance Audit released; ninth consecutive clean independent audit released.
Let’s hope for the same performance for 2008!
We don’t normally get a chance to have a branch campus be looked at but also a campus that is next to a rail line and in the future, could see Light-Rail on top of expanded bus and commuter rail service.
Before proceeding, please check out The Herald Net – Everett Herald on the University of Washington North Campus. Here is some of the most recent
http://heraldnet.com/article/20080116/NEWS01/939051632&news01ad=1
http://heraldnet.com/article/20080116/NEWS01/445224533&news01ad=1
Everett Station would hold a very unique oppurtunity to the City of Everett and the entire North region. Why is this? The Everett Station is home to Amtrak, Greyhound, Sounder Commuter Rail, ST Express Bus service, Everett Transit, Community Transit, Island Transit… well, you get the point – It’s a main hub for Transit in Snohomish County. There is also a talk of building a Streetcar from the new Waterfront development through Downtown to the new Riverfront Development which would stop at Everett Station. Riverfront could be a place for students to gather and “hang out” with it’s hip shops and movie theater and easily connected by the Streetcar.
Everett has some of the cheapest rent in a “city” while keeping it’s low key stature. This would be excellent for students on a budget but don’t want to live in a 4×8 dorm. Everett could be what Tacoma should be but with the ability of easy expansion and great transit, Everett Station is a no brainer that it can bring people from far apart, without the need to travel heavily to get to a Airport or Train Station.
Some facts:
Everett Station
Amtrak Cascades serves Seattle, Stanwood (In November 2008) Mt. Vernon/Burlington, Bellingham, with a shuttle to the Bellingham International Airport with Delta, Horizon, Allegiant Air, Alaska (Yes, there is a ferry to Alaska from Bellingham), Vancouver, BC..perfect weekend trip “abroad” Cascades also serves Seattle, Tacoma, Vancouver, WA, Portland, Oregon, Eugene, Oregon.
Amtrak’s Empire Builder runs between Seattle and Chicago, ILL with several stops along the way.
I’ll visit this topic more on a later date when more information is readily available….
I want to first thank Jennifer on giving me some first hand information to the Tunnel Boring update and Jeff on giving some great information on the University Link project.
Currently, the Emerald Mole is approaching 21st Street South leaving about 7 City blocks or about a month remaining for the bore. Sound Transit is planning on a media day when the Emerald Mole is closer to coming out of the tunnel. The TBM has encountered some rough spots, like water and various maintenance issues. Sound Transit will post the information on the web site when the Emerald Mole is closer to breaking through the West Portal.
University Link will have 3 Tunnel Boring Machines total for the project. Two of the TBM’s will start at the University site and simultaneously bore the two tunnels south to Capitol Hill. A third machine will start at the Capitol Hill station site and bore one tunnel south to the end of the initial segment construction. That machine will then be disassembled, moved to Capitol Hill and reassembled to bore the second tunnel (just as we did with the Beacon Hill TBM)
Now just a guess on my part, the Tunnels them selfs will be completed in 2013/2014 with this arrangement but installing rail, egrees, ventilation and safety systems, Overhead Contact System (OCS), signals, building the Capital Hill Station and University stations will eat up the rest of the 3 years until opening.
In other news – Sound Transit completed the first of many Dead Wire tests in the Downtown Seattle Transit Tunnel on Saturday (January 12th, 2008). These tests are the beginning to live wire tests which will not happen while the tunnel is open unfortunately (How cool would that be to see it roll through the tunnel)
Dead wire testing is to ensure there are no snags in the OCS and that the pantograph moves over joints and connections smoothly.
UPDATE!
To view the progress of the Tunnel Boring Machine, keep this page bookmarked for future reference.
I love all things modern, from buses, trains, ferries, cars but I also love old school retro stuff, which is why I have been volunteering my time at the Mt. Rainier Scenic Railroad for about the past 3 years now. Most don’t know about the little railroad that runs mostly steam engines but it has been a great learning experience.
Today we started the restoration of a 1929 logging locomotive for operation. This project should take between 1 to 2 years since some of the work has already been done.
Pictures of the progress will be located on my Flickr Page and will also be posted eventually at the Mt. Rainier Scenic homepage
For more information on the locomotive, check out this page
http://www.mrsr.com/roster/roster-willamette_2.html
For some reason, I saw this coming and with the news of 3 more ferry’s needing vital reports to keep them afloat, I find this more troubling.
The Everett Herald Net reports on this news
http://www.heraldnet.com/section/NEWS010301
The Washington State Ferries are encountering even more issues with the boats in disrepair, 3 more boats need to be repaired – R.J. Knapp and Jill Vader describes the State run ferries the best.
“They should have been doing something years ago. But No! Let’s put it off! It’s the put-it-off mentality that we have around here that’s killing everything,” said R.J. Knapp.
Aboard the Tillikum, Jill Vader says the problems are in lines with the rest of the state’s transportation problems.
“It would be hard to imagine. The roads aren’t kept in very good shape. The bridges aren’t kept in very good shape. Why would the ferries be in good shape? I mean, realistically, why?” she said.
Just weeks after the Transportation Secretary Paula Hammond ordered four, old steel-electric ferries out of service, new inspections have turned up hull or engine problems on four other vessels.
The December inspections led to decisions that the Evergreen State, Kaleetan, and Tillikum must have work done in the next 120 days and the Rhododendron must be fixed before it is returned to service. The ferry system on Friday moved two now-scrapped ferries, the Quinault and the Illahee, from dry docks at Todd in Seattle to Bainbridge Island. On Monday, another boat on the Vashon run, the Chelan, will move into a now open dry dock. The Rhododendron will be moved the other. But the ferry system has no available replacement for the Chelan.
The ferry system isn’t saying when the Tillikum, Evergreen State and Kaleetan will be moved into dry docks for examination and repair. But the transportation secretary reportedly told the Legislative Transportation Committee that it will be a challenge to keep service running while maintaining the repair schedule.
The rest can be found at Komo 4 News
http://www.komotv.com/news/13721572.html
The M/V Snohomish passenger ferry will return to the Port Townsend – Keystone route on Monday at the earliest after completing it’s scheduled maintenance. It is expected to run for 1 to 2 months as the M/V Christine Anderson is prepared for the run. The Christine Anderson needed to have updated safety equipment and a new plan before it can be used on the run due to the frequent rough water on the crossing. The ferry crossing will go from about 25 minutes to 35 minutes.
The M/V Snohomish is able to make the crossing in 15 minutes.
Post updated at 6:17pm – January 11th, 2008
Port on track to purchase BNSF corridor
by Jeanette Knutson
Staff Writer
On Dec. 11, the Seattle Port Commission gave Port CEO Tay Yoshitani authority to complete the purchase of the 42-mile Eastside rail corridor with Burlington Northern Santa Fe (BNSF).
The price for the corridor is $103 million; another $4 million was added for contingencies such as legal fees and other costs associated with the purchase, said Mike Merritt, Port of Seattle’s government relations manager.
“We expect to close the sale around September 2008,” said Merritt. “A lot of due-diligence has to take place before the sale closes. … The Port is committed to the idea of dual use for the corridor, including both rail and trail uses. When and how those uses might take place will be the subject of a public process that we envision will happen in the coming months. Details of that process are not settled.”
In the meantime, King County has expressed an interest in buying segments of the corridor from the Port, namely the southern portion of the corridor between the Wilburton tunnel and Renton, and most of the spur between Redmond and Woodinville just south of Woodinville.
“The Port (will negotiate) with the county over their interest in having the right to purchase some of the corridor section, among other issues,” said Merritt. “The County Council adopted what the council considers to be the outlines of that agreement on (Dec. 17, 2007); then the County Executive will negotiate the actual agreement with the Port.”
The framework of the agreement that the King County Council approved “ensures the rails in this corridor will not be removed,” said King County Councilwoman Kathy Lambert. “Preserving future transportation options in this corridor is essential for the fast-growing Eastside as well as for regional mobility.”
County Councilman Bob Ferguson said, “Now the hard work begins to initiate a conversation with the public for determining the specific details regarding the future of the corridor.”
King County originally wanted to remove the tracks from Renton to Woodinville to build a recreational trail, saying in a couple decades, things would change and the Eastside corridor would become a good rail corridor.
Kurt Triplett, the County Executive’s chief of staff, said last summer, “Our premise, Ron Sims’ premise, is that it will not be a commuter corridor for several decades. … In the meantime, we can have a magnificent trail that connects to 125 miles of trails. We would be creating a huge amenity.”
Triplett did not mention that trails already run along much of the distance from Renton to the South Bellevue Park & Ride lot and between Redmond and Woodinville, a fact Eastside Rail Now!, a grassroots movement opposed to pulling up miles of railroad track to build a bicycle trail, brought to light last summer.
Paul Zimmer of Eastside Rail Now! said, “Regarding the existence of trails parallel to the corridor, it is surprising that it has taken the mainstream media such a long time to catch on to this. It is just one of several things that has made some of us wonder what is the real reason for Ron Sims’ obsession with scrapping the railroad – and for doing so as quickly as possible.
“Regarding commuter rail service on the (line), there is a rapidly growing and broad-based interest in launching it. It is technically possible for it to be in limited operation within a matter of months, and there now appears to be a good chance that such service could be implemented in 2008. There is absolutely no need or desirability for waiting 20 or 30 years.”
Zimmer cited several reasons why he thought rail service along the corridor was receiving renewed consideration, including (1) acquisition of the corridor by the Port, as opposed to King County; (2) the mounting concern about global warming, traffic congestion and homeland security (The corridor could serve as a backup to the railroad’s mainline or Interstate 405.); (3) the failure of Proposition 1 and the consequent search for less costly and more effective transportation solutions and (4) the disclosure that the Puget Sound Regional Council’s “BNSF Corridor Preservation Study,” which recommended scrapping the railroad, was flawed and thus not useful for making decisions about the future of the railroad.
“The Port clearly does not appear to be interested in rushing to remove the tracks, in sharp contrast to Ron Sims,” said Zimmer. “Remember, the Port’s legally mandated role is to promote freight and passenger mobility, not to destroy transportation infrastructure. The concept of a ‘public process’ could be a very good one, and it is something that Sims tried to avoid.”
It bears repeating what Eastside Transit Now! has stated on its Web site, “What has not been emphasized is the fact that once a railroad gets dismantled and the right of way paved into a trail, it becomes extremely difficult, if not impossible, both politically and financially, to reinstall the rails for transit use and/or for other railroad purposes.”
Both the Burke-Gilman Trail and Snohomish County’s Centennial Trail are former rail corridors.
The Cascadia Center for Regional Development, a transportation policy think tank, made a big push at the end of last year to promote utilizing the existing corridor for both transit and trail. The Center hosted a rail forum in Woodinville Nov. 26, where it introduced the community-based “Eastside TRailway” demonstration project, a $10 million pilot program using a DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) running from the City of Snohomish to Bellevue.
Colorado Railcar and Siemens manufacture these self-propelled rail cars, which operate or will operate in corridors in West Palm Beach, Fla.; San Diego, Calif.; Washington County, Ore.; and Alaska. DMUs are widely used in Australia, Germany, the United Kingdom, Ireland, South Korea and Japan. They are lighter than commuter rail, more fuel-efficient, quieter, require shorter platforms and can carry bike racks. They can operate on regular freight rail track or on rails embedded in streets. A bi-level car can carry up to 188 passengers.
Cascadia’s plan is to develop a strategy to finance the development of a rail and trail corridor that will improve Snohomish and King County mobility, improve economic development and tourism, and promote healthy recreational activities. It is sponsoring two more community forums to bring together train and trail advocates, local leaders, and finance / development interests to discuss the Eastside TRailway Partnership.
The first will be held in the Peter Kirk Room of the Kirkland City Hall, 123 Fifth Ave. on January 16, 2008. Reception: 5:00 p.m. Program: 5:30-7:30 p.m.
Karen Guzak, newly elected Snohomish City Councilmember, will co-host the second event on January 17, 2008, at the Angel Arms Works, 230 Avenue B, City of Snohomish. Reception: 5:30 p.m. Program: 6:00-8:00 p.m.
Although there is no cost to attend, space is limited. Attendees are asked to RSVP to Jennifer Zucati at (206) 292-0401, extension 157 or jenniferz@discovery.org.
The Woodinville City Council has supported a transit / trail corridor for several years. It recently sent letters re-stating its support of a dual-use corridor to the Port of Seattle, Sound Transit, the Eastside Transportation Partnership, and the Seashore Transportation Forum, amongst others.
Former City Councilwoman Gina Leonard said, “This opportunity (to utilize existing rail infrastructure) may never come up again.”
Councilman Scott Hageman said, “There are too many possibilities to pull the rails.”
“We have a huge opportunity right in front of our noses,” said Councilman Chuck Price. “Something needs to be done.”
Steve Pyeatt, who took on the Eastside rail corridor as a pet project when he ran for the King County Council in 2005, called using the corridor for transit “something we can do.” He said, “When people think of ‘commuter rail’ they think of the Sounder, which is incredibly expensive and cumbersome. DMUs are the way to go.”
Pyeatt supports Cascadia’s proposed demonstration project from Bellevue to the City of Snohomish.
Greg Stephens, longtime advocate for the incorporation of Maltby, also favors a rails and trail combination along the corridor.
“Three state highways converge in Maltby, State Routes 9, 522 and 524,” said Stephens. “(Using the Eastside rail corridor for commuter transit) makes all the sense in the world to those of us who live out here. In my opinion, we need to have both. We need a place where you can ride a bike and not get run over by a car, and we need to have a transportation link to get to work.
“All you have to do is go back East. People can commute to work for 40 minutes by train, and (their hometowns) can still keep their small-town atmosphere. Buses are fine for short trips, but if you have to go a long way, you’d have to stop every few miles. Self-propelled trains make sense.”
Stephens also likes Cascadia’s demonstration project between Bellevue and Snohomish. “As soon as someone rides it a few times,” said Stephens, “they will continue to use it.”
He said politicians were so-often wedded to the use of consultants to prove their points.
“They need to pay attention to real people who will pay for the service and use it. We could do something now for very little money. Let’s do it while we have the chance. This takes political will. I applaud Ron Sims for wanting to bring the corridor into public ownership and to build a trail, but we need to have rails as well. It is time to do the courageous thing.”
Just a notice for everyone – Sound Transit’s Central Link will start regularly scheduled testing tomorrow (Thursday, January 9th, 2008) starting around 6:30am and will last for about 16 hours.
Starting in June or July, 2008, the Overhead Contact System will be completed from Beacon Hill Tunnel/Mt. Baker Station to South 154th Street/Tukwila International Blvd Station. Dead wire testing will start in June with a LRV being pushed through the Beacon Hill Tunnel to South 154th. Once these tests are completed, along with the testing of crossovers and signal systems, live wire testing will begin along the entire initial segment.
The first vehicle, ST 101 needs 2500 miles for it’s “burn-in”, ST 102 needs 1500 miles and the rest of the fleet will need 750 miles before they can be used in revenue service.
Here are the speed limits for the curious.
Pine Street Tunnel – 20mph
Pine Street to Westlake – 30mph
Westlake – University Street – 35mph
University Street – Pioneer Square – 30mph
Pioneer Square – International District 15mph
International District to Stadium Station – 30mph
Stadium to Lander Street – 45mph
Lander Street to Beacon Hill Tunnel East Portal – 40mph
Beacon Hill Tunnel – 55mph
Beacon Hill Tunnel West Portal – Martin Luther King Jr Way/Henderson Street – 35 or 40mph. TBD by City of Seattle once construction is fully finished
Henderson Street Station past middle siding – 40mph
Middle Siding to Boeing Access Road – 45mph
Boeing Access Road to I-5 – SR-518 Interchange – 55mph
Curve from I-5 to SR-518 – 45mph
SR-518 to Tukwila Station – 55mph
Tukwila Station – Sea-Tac Airport – 55mph
Total Estimated trip time, 35 minutes from Westlake to Sea-Tac Airport with latest speed limits.
I’ll be out tomorrow getting photos of Link
I want to thank everyone for your comments and kind words! I wanted to break down some more deeper costs and also looking at a new passenger only ferry dock and a parking garage which would be located to the South of the ferry terminal. Let’s start off with the deeper costs and costs of other transit systems.
The State of Washington says the run costs around $13,700 a day. Let’s round this number up to $14,000 to off set some extra costs for the example. To run the ferry Snohomish for 365 days (All Year Long) would be $5,000,500 +/-. To run the ferry Chinook for 182 days (Spring and Summer months) would be $2,500,250 +/-. The cost of the run per passenger is $6.70 round trip instead of one way (Free returning to Seattle).
Here is an actual break down of a SOV using the ferry. I know this very well since I took the Bainbridge – Seattle run for 6 months before moving back to the “mainland” but the example is pretty spot on to my life and wishful thinking.
Let’s take a typical 30-35mpg Honda or Toyota car with a single driver. At current gas prices $3.15 a gallon or more depending on the location, it would take around $30-35 to fill up your car if you take it down from just about Empty back to Full. This car should get around 280-320 miles on a tank of fuel if maintenance is kept up and using good fuel. Now, let’s take a drive to Downtown Seattle for say, a trip to the Seattle Aquarium. This trip from Port Townsend to the Kingston ferry terminal would be about an hour or about 35 miles. Now we need to wait for this ferry to arrive or if you happened to miss it we need to wait for another boat. This can add anywhere between 30 to 80 minutes on waiting and on top of the 30 minute ride but in this example, we will say we got on the ferry at $11.50 and made it over to Edmonds, 30 minutes later. We took the Kingston ferry since the Bainbridge Island run has a 1 hour wait.
After unloading and driving to I-5, there happens to be a game in Seattle – Mariners are in town for a 3:05pm game at Safeco Field and traffic is backed up from the University of Washington into Downtown. Since you have never been to the Aquarium and going by directions on Mapquest, the easiest is to stay on the freeway… add 40-50 minutes to your travel time and it’s now over 2 hours, the kids are uneasy and doing the famous “are we there yet” over and over and people are cutting you off, flipping you the finger and all that fun jazz. Once you get down to the waterfront you encounter the thing called “The Battle for Parking” This is where you have to decide if you want to shell out the parking meter amount which the maximum is 2 hours on the Waterfront in Seattle or find a parking garage where you can pay upwards of $5, $10, $20, or even upwards of $40 bucks for parking if there is a game at Qwest or Safeco Fields. For this example though we’ll pick the medium, $20 bucks. Once your all done, you have to repeat or take the Bainbridge run. You decide to take the Bainbridge run for the more scenic trip home and shell out another $11.20. Well, it’s only scenic until you deal with the traffic from Bainbridge to Hwy 3 and get lucky by the Hood Canal Bridge opening (though I would like to see that open some day)
So, for those keeping track, $30 for fuel, $11.20 for ferry one-way, $20 for parking, $11.20 return = $77.40 for the day.
Now lets take a look at the Port Townsend – Seattle ferry run at my $9.80 one way fare structure with the Coast Guard 149 passenger limit still in place, new dock, parking garage, and the Passenger Ferry Chinook also in service for a total of 8 round trips per day.
When you park at the new garage, a short walk to the ferry terminal to purchase tickets and wait or board the Snohomish or Chinook for a 90 minute journey to Pier 52. Direct access from Downtown to Downtown, Waterfront to Waterfront. Sure at times the water can be choppy but it’s no different than your pot holed roadway and your also not getting cut off by Big Rigs, huge Suburban’s and or speedy pimped out Honda’s. When you arrive in Seattle, relaxed, at ease, you make a short walk to Pier 56 and the Seattle Aquarium. After that, could have time to check out the rest of the Waterfront and what it has to offer. If and when the Streetcar (bus just isn’t the same) is back in service, hop aboard that to the Olympic Sculpture Park or up 5 block walk to the Seattle Center and Pacific Science Center. Once your all done, head back to Colman Dock and wait or board the Chinook for a 90 minute trip back to Port Townsend while enjoying the sunset with your loved one. Something both of you can enjoy instead of worrying about rear ending a car in front of you. Stress free, relaxed, and a simple way to travel.
Back to reality and there is a reason why I wrote both of those examples because they were both true. Driving and dealing with traffic, people trying to drive onto the ferry is a huge hassle and when you add any type of event traffic in either City, it only makes life that much more stressful and difficult to plan and organize what you really want to do. Taking the ferry from Seattle to Port Townsend and back was incredible and could rival some of my best scenic getaways. Both times I was relaxed, happy, calm. I wasn’t at edge for any reason but most importantly, I was ready to tackle a place I haven’t fully discovered. That is the same feeling I get when I deboard from Amtrak to Portland or Vancouver, an eagerness to see something new, even if you already been there.
A parking garage which would support 300-400 vehicles would a hub not only for passenger ferry service but also Vanpool. The garage could also be used for merchants in the corridor. The garage would be a support of the on-street parking since I have heard that parking is an issue during the busy tourist seasons.
The new dock would prevent doing costly upgrades to the Chinook should the State of Washington keep the boat and it would not interrupt Car Ferry service to Keystone. This dock could also be a resting point for either of the boats. Somebody would have to take a gamble on how much a dock for these boats would be roughly plus electrical and other needed equipment.
One poster asked about the possibility of running the ferry to Whidbey Island on select runs. This is possible but again we are trying to keep the run as cost effective as possible. In the future however, we could also look further North – like Friday Harbor or Lopez Island for a final destination and would be the mid morning run and mid-afternoon run that would go completely to those locations. Fare for Whidbey Island or Friday Harbor/Lopez Island would increase since it is not the main destination. It’s design, use, and purpose is to serve Port Townsend but the additional revenue could allow for the continuation of the run further North. That is however dependent on if people would take the service and if the boats could be used at it’s designed 350 passenger limit.
The question we need to ask ourself after look at the numbers and the probability is what do we expect of this service, what do we want of this service, and how far do we want this service to go. Should it be exclusive to the Seattle – Port Townsend region or should other regions be included. By adding more locations could add unknown service interruptions due to weather or late arrivals will be a ripple affect for the rest of the day. It’s quite difficult to digest all of this in 2 posts, especially when the author isn’t a stellar writer but I do try to get my point across and have confidence that this service between Seattle and Port Townsend can be a cost effective, money gaining solution. This is something that the State of Washington needs to look good and hard at and for it’s short existence that it had 818 people ride the boat one day.. only 334 passengers short from being completely sold out for that day should be a hint to many people that this route would be heavily popular once word got out about it.
Once ridership and operating cost numbers are released for the rest of it’s short existence, those numbers will give us a better understanding of where the ferry stands for it’s future and the petition to return the Snohomish and maybe the Chinook on a run that will not only break even but be a revenue generating service for years to come. People will understand fare increases if it is explained to them clearly and with consideration. $9.80 one way is a little bit of money that can go a very long ways to having a strong, self-sustaining service the State can use as a model to not only King County but other agencies that are in a similar predicament. This will give the State of Washington hope that it can do passenger only ferry’s successfully like the Seattle – Vashon Island run.
This is something we all will benefit from and if we lose this opportunity to harness it, it will not be restored.
Keep yourself updated here and at http://www.seattle2pt.com
I couldn’t post this for some reason on the Seattle-PI Forums so here it is in it’s full grit.
Number crunching time – bare with me.
When you look at the current gas prices for Seattle ($3.10-3.45) and Port Townsend ($3.15-3.30) and your typical Honda or Toyota that has a 10.9-11.1 gallon fuel tank, it would be around $30-35 to fill up your vehicle and about 2 to almost 3 hours driving time depending on the route you decide to ultimately take and account for traffic. This is also dependent if you take the ferry round trip (Fares are current off-peak fares per WSDOT website); Keystone/PT ($17.80), Kingston/Edmonds ($23.10), Bainbridge/Seattle($23.10), or driving around and taking the Tacoma Narrows bridge ($3.00)
The PT-Seattle does it’s run in 90 minutes, 8 trips per day or 4 round trips but for this we’ll break the numbers down.
At it’s peak, the PT-Seattle run saw 818 passengers, that would mean about 102 passengers for the 8 runs and a total of $5480.60 @ $6.70 Round Trip (Free to Seattle). Remember, there was a very short notice and not heavily publicized run. Keep this number on the top of your head.
If the boat was used at the Coast Guard recommended, which is 144 passengers or 1152 for 8 runs (4 round trips) it would bring in $7718.40
If the boat was used at Maximum Capacity, which is 350 passengers or 2800 for 8 runs (4 round trips) it would bring in $18,760.
To make the run break even on fuel at 102 passengers, the fare would need to increase from $6.70 to around $9.80 which would be slightly over $8000. To break even on the entire route at 102 passengers, the fare would need to go from $9.80 to $16.75.
With all of this knowledge and the fact that 818 people did take the passenger only ferry to Seattle during the Winter months can only leave promise for the Summer.
To widen the spectrum on this run, during the Spring and Summer months when the Summer concerts, the Seattle Mariners and Sounders are playing at Safeco and Qwest Fields along with the parade events in Seattle and Port Townsend fairs and the festivals, you can not beat the ability to take a passenger ferry from Downtown to Downtown and Waterfront to Waterfront while having the walk ability of Port Townsend and Seattle along with the combination of great transit (Ride Free Zone) to be able to get you around. The possibility of having not only the Snohomish but the Chinook running an additional 4 round trips during the Spring and Summer months is very possible if the fare is adjusted to $9.80 one way. The people will pay for it, the people will come for this service, not only the commuters but tourist as well and tourist are huge in Port Townsend during the Summer months.
My trips on the Snohomish were nearly full and the return to Seattle we left about 20 sour and pissed off passengers on the dock. That isn’t acceptable neither.
WSDOT could make a killing on this route, people could leave their cars in Port Townsend when vacationist visit from Victoria, Vancouver, BC, and other places around the Northwest since they won’t need to pay $10, $15, $25 or even $40 for parking in Downtown Seattle. A simple ferry and simple transit and the flexibility of scheduling could prove to be a regularly near sold out to overflowing run and a deal breaker not only for the State of Washington Ferry System but also and more importantly for the businesses of Port Townsend.
For more information on the Seattle 2 Port Townsend and to sign the petition to let lawmakers know you want the service to continue, please head over to the Seattle2PT website

On Saturday, January 5th, 2008, I went out with my good friend, Jason Hill to check out just how popular the Seahawks trains are. They say seeing is believing and the crowds were at first, very little but we did arrive a little after 10:00am. When security came through and announced there was 380 passengers that loaded in Tacoma alone, that was surprising, but when we arrived Puyallup, the only other stop for the train before it is non-stop to Seattle, our jaws slacked open… this was going to be a packed train.
Passing Sumner Station at 79mph
Passing Auburn Station at 79mph
Passing Tukwila Station at 70mph
And the crowd getting off the train and mind you, this only the first train, the second was behind us by 15 minutes followed by the arrival of the Everett Sounder Train a few minutes after our train left to back into a different track.
Both Everett trains had 5 cars each had a full STANDING only train along with the other 2 Sumner and Tacoma trains which had 6 cars.
The thing most people want now – more cars or more trains or both, this service is incredible and makes it more of a steal since the fare on this run was normal commuter fares. In 47 minutes with a 5 minute delay waiting for a freight train and Southbound Amtrak to clear in Georgetown, we arrived in Seattle.
For more information on these trains, check out Sound Transit’s website
http://www.soundtransit.org/x6652.xml
Now back in the day, Amtrak ran a train from Portland to Seattle and back and a lot would love to see this train return. Would you be somebody that would ride the train and pay the normal Amtrak fare for it if it resumed for the 2008/2009 Season? Have you been on the Sounder Seahawks service? If so, what was your thoughts and opinion about it.
The rest of the photos can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/brian_macster/
Thanks for viewing!
Once again, Sound Transit has gotten a clean bill of health from the State Auditors office.
The accountability audit, which included no findings of violations by Sound Transit, covered a broad range of agency activities including but not limited to appropriately handling financial transactions; complying with requirements for maintaining open public meetings and records; meeting requirements for agency contracting and competitive bidding; and abiding by laws on ethics and conflicts of interest.
From Sound Transit News Release