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  • Mike Orr on Elevators & escalators add $500 million to Sound Transit’s 20 year planThe upper level escalators are for shoppers as much as for transit riders. Those are two-way escalators for the same reason departments stores have two-way escalators: customers expect them and will shop elsewhere if the store is too cheap to have down escalators. The ones to the platform are for mere transit riders, a captive audience and one using a public service, so there the lower capital cost weights more. Especially in the 80s when agencies were less confident taxpayers would tolerate more than the minimum. There's also a belief that "one level up, two levels down" is the minimum...
  • Mike Orr on Elevators & escalators add $500 million to Sound Transit’s 20 year planI've heard the ADA is silent on escalators; what it requires is elevators. Escalators are for the non-disabled masses.
  • Mike Orr on Elevators & escalators add $500 million to Sound Transit’s 20 year plan"Unions filled with truck-nuts pickup driving, gun-rack toting, Trumpist, mafioso-organized construction union." Are there such unions? That mindset is strongest in the south, among people who are anti-union. While there's a lite version of that in the northwest (as my Boeing friend keeps telling me about), unions have held on due to tradition and Washington not being a right-to-work state, and other union members who see the value in unions. The ones my friend tells me about want to get rid of the union so they don't have to pay union dues (which are as bad as taxes). He tells...
  • Tom Terrific on Elevators & escalators add $500 million to Sound Transit’s 20 year planSurface through Interbay between the rail yard and athletic field is clearly the best value, at least from about Armory Way to the bridge approach. A surface grade station directly under Dravus is equi-distant between the housing east of 15th NW and that on Magnolia along 20th and beyond. It would require removing the Tee-Ball field, but I'm sure that it will go with the elevated options also. Who would want to play on it with a 40 foot high trackway looming over third base? Otherwise there is enough room between the BNSF tracks and the golf course rough. Buses...
  • Mike Orr on Elevators & escalators add $500 million to Sound Transit’s 20 year planThe elevators are too small for crowds of people exiting and entering. And they're very slow. There was a period in the 80s and 90s when new elevators were slower than earlier ones had been, I assume for ADA. Elevators in the 00s and 10s were faster again. So the elevators would only get good if ST replaces them with faster ones or turns up the speed.
  • Mike Orr on Elevators & escalators add $500 million to Sound Transit’s 20 year plan"Rainier valley surface running is great for Rainier valley but a bummer for south King … but south King’s project came afterwards, and at that point it’s better to plug into an existing at-grade alignment and build an entirely new alignment, i.e. the Dwamish bypass that may make sense in the distant future but likely not for another generation." It's a change in philosophy. When the initial segment was designed in the 1990s, most American light rails were 90+ percent surface like Portland, San Jose, and San Diego. So ST envisioned the same to keep capital costs low, because it...
  • Tom Terrific on Elevators & escalators add $500 million to Sound Transit’s 20 year planAnd if you don't agree, come up some other explanation that doesn't include unions, contractors, or consultants.
  • Tom Terrific on Elevators & escalators add $500 million to Sound Transit’s 20 year planSorry for the triple-post. It wasn't responding.
  • Tom Terrific on Elevators & escalators add $500 million to Sound Transit’s 20 year planNot ALL unions, Ross. Unions filled with truck-nuts pickup-driving, gun-rack toting, Trumpist, mafioso-organized construction workers.
  • Tom Terrific on Elevators & escalators add $500 million to Sound Transit’s 20 year planNot ALL unions, Ross. Unions filled with truck-nuts pickup driving, gun-rack toting, Trumpist, mafioso-organized construction workers.
  • Tom Terrific on Elevators & escalators add $500 million to Sound Transit’s 20 year planNot ALL unions, Ross. Unions filled with truck-nuts pickup driving, gun-rack toting, Trumpist, mafioso-organized construction union.
  • Mark Dublin on Elevators & escalators add $500 million to Sound Transit’s 20 year planBoy, am I ever slipping. It took me all day to notice the most eloquent image the pack. Only question is how long it will take for that trash-filled shaft of a working elevator to show a jury everything it needs to see. But at this writing, also the strongest affirmation of the course of action that I advocate. Get into immediate contact with every conveyance control program in our whole community college system. To avail ourselves of a whole cohort of young trainees, who to pay for their tuition, will volunteer to begin, hands-on, a career of installing and...
  • AJ on Elevators & escalators add $500 million to Sound Transit’s 20 year planRossB - no, my understanding is KCM has been running the tunnel and has had sole responsibility for operations and maintenance under very recently. One of the initial reasons all Link operations are KCM employees was to facilitate joint operations in the DSTT. Remember, ST pays KCM to run Link; ST designs & builds Link but doesn't operate it directly.
  • AJ on Elevators & escalators add $500 million to Sound Transit’s 20 year planYeah I think the key is for major at-grade intersections to be adjacent to stations, as the train will be running slower at it enters/exits the station. Portland running Max through the downtown grid is slow but safe.
  • AJ on Elevators & escalators add $500 million to Sound Transit’s 20 year planYeah the key is minimal travel beyond the surface running segment, which is why these terminal segments are the best value. Walker writes about this and Alon Levy covered it recently in a good piece on tram-trains. Rainier valley surface running is great for Rainier valley but a bummer for south King ... but south King's project came afterwards, and at that point it's better to plug into an existing at-grade alignment and build an entirely new alignment, i.e. the Dwamish bypass that may make sense in the distant future but likely not for another generation. I'm really baffled there...
  • Mark Dublin on Elevators & escalators add $500 million to Sound Transit’s 20 year planDave S., my guess is when somebody notices that evidently nobody else has assumed them either. But hey! What's "Well, Well, Well, Well, Well in either Hebrew, Yiddish, or Russian? Too bad "EEDIOT!" is interlinguistic. https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-once-a-bus-cooperative-israel-s-dan-is-being-sold-to-investors-1.7582285 Seems that "The business is weighed down by Dan’s socialist antecedents. The company has been offering incentives for members to retire early, but as of today some 400 of its 2,600 employees are ex-cooperative members and, as noted, their average age is 55. "Few of them want to drive buses anymore, so that three quarters of them are working at a heavily overstaffed headquarters....
  • Mark Dublin on Elevators & escalators add $500 million to Sound Transit’s 20 year planTom Terrific, in the days when union wages put a lot tighter crimp in Homelessness than all the right right-wing talk-show hosts combined could ever hope to match, there was always this constant: The closer any union got to an anti-labor boss, public or private, the worse the treatment its own members received from it. Including getting the crap beaten out of you for bad-mouthing right-wing "pols" like Wisconsin's bullying drunk of a Republican senator named Joe McCarthy. Remedy? It's a mean little COVIDGODESS that snarls nobody good. Let's use this period's complete lack of activity on any front to...
  • Al S. on Elevators & escalators add $500 million to Sound Transit’s 20 year planAJ, ST2 was approved 12 years ago and ST3 four years ago. ST assumed in ST2 that they would take over the tunnel. So yes, ST should have known to look at this before ST3 was voted. In case you have forgotten, ST commissioned several studies costing several millions of dollars each prior to ST3 in 2013-2016 that should have looked at this
  • Al S. on Elevators & escalators add $500 million to Sound Transit’s 20 year planHenry, those are between the mezzanine and the street — not between the mezzanine and the platform.
  • Mark Dublin on Elevators & escalators add $500 million to Sound Transit’s 20 year planOn one condition, AJ. That we do "At Grade" like Portland. Starting out with whatever undercuts and pedestrian flyovers are necessary for Link to render Columbia City, Othello, and Rainier Beach Stations casualty-free. Which should save us enough in lost operating time due to accident investigations and legal settlements to pay for the whole conversion process. To be worthy of the title "Regional", a wreck should mean a collision with at least another train. Though given its proximity to Woodland Park Zoo, an exemption should be granted if an antelope gets loose in the SR 99 section called "Aurora North's...
  • Henry on Elevators & escalators add $500 million to Sound Transit’s 20 year planI could swear several of the Westlake entrances have both up/down escalators.
  • Tlsgwm on To solve the housing crisis, build more housing@Al S. "San Diego height limits are uniquely affected by having airports close to Downtown." That is indeed the case, SD's Stadium District being no exception. Your comment made me chuckle. My spouse and I typically go down to SD once or twice a year for vacations and I've had those same reactions flying into SD Intl. On two occasions in recent years we've been put into "go-arounds" while attempting to land there, which is a maneuver that will certainly get one's pulse rate up. (In both instances the pilots simply came in going too fast.) On other landings, I...
  • RossB on Elevators & escalators add $500 million to Sound Transit’s 20 year planBallard could be at-grade for much of the way. The original Corridor C did exactly that, and then went to a 70 foot movable bridge on 15th (the same bridge people approved with the ST3 vote). https://seattletransitblog.com/2013/12/06/sound-transit-refines-ballard-options/ Given everything that has happened, it looks better than ever. Personally, I think Bruce Nourish had the right idea: https://seattletransitblog.com/2013/12/06/some-thoughts-on-ballard-option-c/. Run surface most of the way but with some cut and cover. I would also be OK if it had a small tunnel through Lower Queen Anne (Belltown/Uptown/Ballard, not South Lake Union/Uptown Ballard). That would probably be a lot cheaper and serve the...
  • Tom Terrific on Elevators & escalators add $500 million to Sound Transit’s 20 year planIt's easy to say, "add more escalators", but the platforms are so narrow in the DSTT that there is not room for three "conveyances" at each end, including the stairs as one "conveyance" of course. If they'd add center platforms everywhere now that the buses are gone, they could replace the stairs on the outside platforms with down escalators and have stairs only to and from the center platforms. The outer platforms would have up and down escalators and elevators while the center platforms would have stairs only plus the mandatory elevator. Having two stairs and one elevator per station...