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  • warren on beacon on CARES Act grants $521 million in relief funds for local agenciesWhere did you hear that from? I can see KC Metro going to an ESN network as a last resort, perhaps. Eliminating one day of the week will penalize ESSENTIAL workers needing transit on Sundays/Holidays. You probably see a total shutdown when it gets that bad and not just eliminate one day a week.
  • William on CARES Act grants $521 million in relief funds for local agenciesMetro is considering eliminating Sunday Service during the pandemic or at a minimum running all routes every 90 minutes.
  • Norah M Willett on CARES Act grants $521 million in relief funds for local agenciesMetro added some service back a couple weeks ago to a few routes that go downtown. It only took them a few days to do this.
  • Mark Dublin on CARES Act grants $521 million in relief funds for local agenciesAnd from all those years driving the Route 49 in the days when it was the Broadway Route 7 with poles on the roof and no pathetically-underpowered diesel in the trailer- you don't give your heaviest city trolley route a diesel "tail" to the suburbs. Mark
  • RossB on CARES Act grants $521 million in relief funds for local agenciesversus 49 passengers having to go from 45th street to the Light Rail Station to catch their bus if the 49 was combined with the 255 It is all very hypothetical (and will never happen for the reasons I mentioned) but the idea would be that people would walk from 45th to Campus Parkway to catch the 49 (as I wrote). The middle of the route would look like this: https://goo.gl/maps/HasbLJhYgDXzK7ps9.
  • asdf2 on CARES Act grants $521 million in relief funds for local agenciesIf you're going to do all that, you may as well just switch to the 545 at Yarrow Point/Evergreen Point. At least on weekdays, it doesn't look *that* bad. Still, even if the 255 restructure didn't happen, it wouldn't be a panacea because frequencies would still have to be cut to keep the number of buses the same. At least according to OneBusAway, running today's 255 every 15 minutes takes 8 buses. Under the old schedule, running the 255 every 30 minutes took 7 buses, so the tradeoff would likely be (under the old routing) 30-minute service all-day on weekdays,...
  • RossB on CARES Act grants $521 million in relief funds for local agenciesThe suggestion to combine the 49 with the 255 isn’t going to happen Yeah, that's my point. It is all good and well to say that the 255 restructure no longer makes sense, but going back to the old system is like combining the 49 and 255 too routes: not worth the trouble given what everyone hopes will be a temporary situation.
  • RossB on CARES Act grants $521 million in relief funds for local agenciesThanks Luc. Just to put things in perspective, here is a census map of Seattle (https://arcg.is/1DKiHa). You really have to drag it out to the boonies to get below the "urban area" of 1,000 people per square mile (and even then, some of those areas would be included because they are adjacent to the other areas, and have 500 people per square mile). North Bend, for example, is above this line. Other than industrial or parkland, all of the Seattle suburbs are included. This includes all of Sammamish, for example. Marysville is a separate UZA because it is big enough,...
  • Mark Dublin on CARES Act grants $521 million in relief funds for local agenciesAnd another mode-choice consideration. On the train, my company would be less of a risk to the driver than on a bus. We really owe those men and women a lot for just coming to work. Certainly until we get some adequate face-protection. Still waiting for straight story as to why a country of our size, wealth, and technology can't assure every worker a mask- I've had courses at Lake Washington about 3D modeling. Like everything else, disagreement about their value. Realistically, at least widespread hazard pay 'til we get a vaccine. Mark Dublin
  • Luc on CARES Act grants $521 million in relief funds for local agencies"Urbanized Areas" or UZAs are not the same as the more commonly used but much less precise Metropolitan Statistic Areas (MSAs), which are based on county line, not built-up area. This description from PSRC is pretty decent : The Census Bureau classifies "urban" as all territory, population, and housing units located within an urbanized area (UZA) or an urban cluster (UC). It delineates UZA and UC boundaries to encompass densely settled territory, which consists of: • Core census block groups or blocks that have a population density of at least 1,000 people per square mile. • Surrounding census blocks that...
  • Mike Orr on CARES Act grants $521 million in relief funds for local agenciesThe 255 terminates at Pacific & 15th, which is three blocks from the Schmitz Hall stop for the 49 and 70. It should be extended to 12th & Campus Parkway so there's a direct transfer.
  • Mike Orr on CARES Act grants $521 million in relief funds for local agenciesAll northeast Seattle routes go to Campus Parkway where you can transfer to the 70 or 49 to downtown. Since congestion has vanished this is not as time-consuming as it usually is.
  • Jeff Pittman on CARES Act grants $521 million in relief funds for local agenciesThe suggestion to combine the 49 with the 255 isn't going to happen as Metro has its hands full just trying to keep the service going with many operators not wanting to work and understandably so . It is not a bad idea but instead Metro could combine the 45 and 48 since that was the route several years ago and right now both routes have their terminal on the UW campus so combining them temporarily could result with fewer buses needed with the 2 routes separate and have more drivers available for other routes. Combining the 45 and 48...
  • Mark Dublin on CARES Act grants $521 million in relief funds for local agenciesFrom anybody who actually has to ride transit now, any ride quality difference between train and bus? Considering that LINK is indoor and underground at Husky Stadium- that is UW, not Royal Brougham, isn't it?-think I'd do better to wait a little longer for the train. Which is also pretty much weather and traffic proof. In addition to wider Social Distance. Any good firsthand observations? Mark Dublin
  • Mark Dublin on CARES Act grants $521 million in relief funds for local agenciesAnybody here who works in scheduling? At the general rate things are going, if any change starts causing a problem, how long will it take you to fix it? Because one thing that Seattle Transit Blog can really help with is to give us a hands-on "feel" for the system transit has to work with now. Any help or insights, many thanks. Mark Dublin
  • Sam on CARES Act grants $521 million in relief funds for local agenciesI didn't expect a commenter to argue with an imaginary conversation.
  • asdf2 on CARES Act grants $521 million in relief funds for local agenciesThe money is needed to allow service to quickly get back to normal when the virus crisis abates? Otherwise, right as people start going back to work, the lack of money hits home, and they don't have buses to get them there.
  • RossB on CARES Act grants $521 million in relief funds for local agenciesThe agencies are probably still losing a ton of money. Twenty minute service is harsh, but reasonable. If you knew that money was coming later, you would run transit more often, but given the current realities, it is reasonable, although unfortunate. As I wrote elsewhere, I would say the biggest problem is adjusting the system. This was a problem as the trains went to 14 minute service. Much of the transit in northeast Seattle, for example, is based on sending people to Link, where they will then go downtown. Does that really make sense anymore? Buses -- even on surface...
  • RossB on CARES Act grants $521 million in relief funds for local agenciesThe 255 changes probably don't make sense right now, given the current realities. I'm not sure the old system makes sense either. We probably want something akin to the night owl service, but not so drastic. Frequency is low, which means transfers are going to be bad. For health reasons, transfers are probably a bad idea anyway. Traffic is light, which means surface streets are not that slow. That in turn means that you don't have to worry that much a route being unreliable if it is too long. I could see the 255, for example, combining with the 49....
  • Tom Terrific on CARES Act grants $521 million in relief funds for local agenciesUm, Sam, "ST" is not a person. There's nobody who would get the money in a "Thanks for the money, suckers" scenario. Projection is not applicable to the behavior of government agencies.
  • William on CARES Act grants $521 million in relief funds for local agenciesIf ridership continues to fall, as it should with the stay at home order, headways could slip down every 30 or every 45 minutes with reduced service hours
  • Mark Dublin on CARES Act grants $521 million in relief funds for local agenciesSince the fan went brown and unsanitary-incidentally, need to check Mad Magazine Don Martin Sound Effect Division-what's the longest anybody's schedule and budget has stayed the same? Gotta be a website where I can bet on this. Can anybody give me a link (NOT THE ONE WITH ALL THOSE LATE TRAINS!) Thanks. Mark Dublin
  • Carl on CARES Act grants $521 million in relief funds for local agenciesPretty soon even STB will have to agree that Kirkland route 255 riders have gotten royally screwed with the service truncation. We shall see how much frequency and span of route 255 get cut on Monday, but the transfer is now to 20 minute Link service and as best as I can tell there is not attempt to synchronize buses and Link. At least for the duration of UW closure and the shelter in home, what remains of route 255 riders would be better served by being able to ride direct and transfer to far more service at 5th/Pine/Westlake than...
  • Sam on CARES Act grants $521 million in relief funds for local agenciesAnd here's Metro's latest cuts info, which mentions ST's cuts. https://kingcountymetro.blog/2020/04/03/covid-19-further-metro-and-sound-transit-service-reductions-begin-monday-april-6-to-support-essential-travel-and-transit-workforce/
  • Tlsgwm on CARES Act grants $521 million in relief funds for local agenciesYup. Here's the news release from ST making this announcement about additional service reductions: https://www.soundtransit.org/get-to-know-us/news-events/news-releases/st-to-temporarily-reduce-service-further-link-st-express