Metro Tweaks Renton Changes

Route 105 in the Snow

Route 105 in the Snow. Photo by Oran.

After a round of public feedback, Metro has dialed back some of the changes originally proposed for Renton with the introduction of RapidRide F. You can read a thorough summary of the modifications and public feedback over at the Metro Future Blog, but here’s the brief version:

  • The deletion of Route 110, a Sounder shuttle which mostly duplicates RapidRide F, will go ahead.
  • The conversion of Route 155 to DART, and a minor change to DART 909, will proceed as planned.
  • The proposed deletion of underperforming DART 908, and the rearrangement of the tail of Route 105, won’t proceed. This was due public concerns and considerations which “point to a need for [Metro] to maintain bus service in a community with a higher level of transit dependency.”

I don’t have strong opinions about these modifications, as I don’t know the area particularly well, but if you do, you can take this survey or email Metro at HaveASay@kingcounty.gov. The deadline for comments February 15th.




Comments

    • Alex Francis Burchard says

      Can someone explain what exactly DART is? I’ve always seen the busses but never understood what they are.

      • aw says

        I’ve never taken a DART bus, so I really don’t understand what it is either. So take this with a grain of salt…

        DART stands for dial-a-ride transit. So, within some service area you can call some phone number and ask to be picked up at some location at some time. They say you have to call two hours in advance of being picked up. You can then take the bus along some vaguely defined route to somewhere else. Some DART routes have fixed route portions with some sort of schedule. For these, I suppose you can get on the bus and then demand that the driver drop you off whereever you want, as long as that location is in some part of the variable service area. Or maybe you have to call and reserve that ride. AFAIK, you pay the same fares as you would for fixed route service.

      • John Slyfield says

        Alex you are mostly correct. all DART routes have fixed routing which you do NOT need reservations to ride on. Also all DART routes have a DART area where you can call and request a specific deviation. this allows metro to serve more areas while maintaining reliable service. regular fares apply on DART. routes 914 and 916 are subsidized by Kent and therefore is free. so the dart version of 155 might have the same fixed routing as the 155 but would have a DART zone where people could request a deviation. king county DART is open to all passengers with no eligibility requirements (community transit’s dart is paratransit like metro access).

      • Alex Francis Burchard says

        OK, so basically its similar but much weaker seeming version of the Turkish Dolmus ( pronounced: Dole Moosh). We should have dolmuses.

        (Turkish Dolmuses are kind of a cross between a taxi and a bus. they operate with vans usually, and serve a fixed route with a fixed fare, but you can request to get off anywhere on that fixed route, though there are specified places to get on I believe. ) They have them everywhere in Istanbul for like, short haul trips, and I think they also have some Super-Dolmuses that do long-distance express service

      • Mike Orr says

        DART routes generally have one end at a transit center, and the rest of the route through a low density area. So many trips are naturally to or from the transit center, and the only time it would not be is if both the origin and destination are in the low-density area covered by the route. That would therefore be to somebody’s house, a supermarket, a senior center, or a church, since those are about the only things in such low-density areas.

    • David L says

      I haven’t heard about 15-minute service on the 105 since back in the 40-40-20 days. If Metro finds the money to expand frequency on a route serving Renton, the 169 has to be first in line.

    • Mike Orr says

      15-minute service was in the original proposal a few months ago. Metro seems to have deleted it from the Have a Say site when it revised the proposal. That assumed service hours gained from deleting the 908, so now it’s off the table. (The 105 is currently 30 minutes weekdays and Saturdays, and 60 minutes Sundays.)

      It’s parallel to the Queen Anne, Fremont, and Central District situations in the September restructure, where groups of routes were withdrawn from the reorg after public feedback. And, if we can compare the feedbacks, in both cases it was mixed. I don’t know enough about the Renton Highlands to say whether a 15-minute 105 would have been as significant to the neighborhood as a 15-minute 13, 2S, 3S, and evening 5 would have been to those neighborhoods. It’s possible nobody said, “This is great, I really want it,” and since there were no major advantages it was withdrawn.

  1. Jason says

    And perhaps most importantly for Metro, DART routes are operated by a subcontractor. The cost per hour to run the route is significantly less than a normal Metro route.

    Back in the day (1999-2001) I frequently rode DART 923 from Crossroads to Eastgate to transfer to the 215 to downtown. It never made a deviation wjen I was on boardboard

    • T.K. says

      I think allowing for deviations is also a way of consolidating routed service with paratransit requirements in an area with low demand for both. One of the times I rode a Federal Way DART route several years ago, I recall that we made a deviation to pick up a passenger in a wheelchair who was in front of his house.

      This type of service is more common with rural transit agencies to cover a wide area with one vehicle. I believe Mason Transit uses it in the Belfair area, for example.

    • asdf says

      It is very difficult to plan a connection at a transit center when deviations can randomly add unpredictable amounts of time to your trip. When I have a bus to catch at the transit center that leaves at a certain time, a fixed-route feeder bus is much easier to trust.

  2. adam says

    I was a frequent rider of the 110 for about two years. It’s nice to see it replaced by RR F, but the 110 was a timed Sounder shuttle synced up to the train schedule. (I’m a little concerned that the F service won’t place such importance on the Sounder connections.) Sacrificing it for F service to the Landing is okay, but I’m not a fan of the routing up Logan Ave instead of Park Ave, where a number of other routes (550-556-240-342) stop. I’m also not a fan of South Renton P&R in general – it’s in a strange place to serve points north.

    • asdf says

      Yes – and in exchange for not providing service that actually lines up with arriving and departing trains, we get all-day service every 15 minutes during the off-peak hours when there are no trains at all save for an Amtrak every 3 hours or so.

      A route deviation to serve something that people have a reason to go to is one thing, but a route deviation to connect with imaginary trains that aren’t even operating is beyond stupidity. No one has any reason to get on or off the F-line at the Sounder station during the hours when there are no trains to connect to.

  3. Mikail Kachian says

    I can’t believe how hard they are pushing this pimped F-line(aka half empty 140). Instead of extending existing routes to at least a nearest meaningful destination, Metro is putting all of its resources into this pointless route F?! Maybe there is a demand between Burien and Tukwila light rail, but anything between big box mecca DT Renton and Tukwila is dead. Who in their right mind wants to travel from very low residential density DT Renton to a no mans land of Tukwila Sounder?! every 15 minutes?! in an articulated bus?!!!! Southcenter? That’s another mega big box parking lot. From one parking lot to another? Don’t even tell me about Tukwila Light Rail. To go where? Airport? 560 will get you there faster without transfers. Seattle? By the time you get to the Tukwila station, 101, 143, and even 106, that left at the same time will be in Downtown Seattle already. Line F is a beauty route that has very little purpose for Renton commuters. I would rather see these resources spent on extending 155 to the airport bypassing Southcenter mall loops(or at least linking more 155/156 routes into one after 6p), extending 240 and 101 to Valley Medical(a place that gives employees free orcas but has no bus service to go anywhere meaningful north or west, talking about extending 155 to Seatac airport here)), finally connect 105 with 140! Get rid of the inconvenient Renton TC, 110, proposed F between Renton and Southcenter, and other expensive pointless city sponsored beauty project. As for the 155 dart section, it is only east of Fairwood Square, the area with single family 2-3 car garage houses. They even have 102 express to downtown… so I don’t know what’s a big deal. I am sure you can use one of your cars and drive a few blocks to catch 155… for some odd reason…

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