The Tukwila Blog reports that ST is holding another meeting to hear public concerns about Link noise:

Please join us: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 5:30 to 8 p.m., with a presentation at 6 p.m. 
The Commons at Foster High School 
4242 S. 144th St., Tukwila. 

This is an opportunity to discuss your noise concerns directly with Sound Transit technical staff.

Some residents are certainly not yet happy.

16 Replies to “Link Noise Meeting in Tukwila Tomorrow”

  1. I was visiting a friend on Beacon Hill this past weekend and we had shout to hear ourselves over the continual noise from the freeway a quarter mile away. I’d trade noise from trains or monorails for that noise any day of the week. But good luck to them, maybe it can be reduced, unlike the auto noise we’ve put up with all our lives (Mercer Island excepted)

    1. My 2 theories for that:
      1) Car noise is constant and it becomes white noise. It’s always there and always the same so it becomes easy for the brain to tune it out. Trains come and go, so your brain can’t really tune it out as easily. If there were a loud thud on my wall every 5 minutes, I couldn’t sleep. But if there’s a loud fan in the room, I could. (And I do sleep w/ a loud fan to prevent said random noises from waking me up!)

      2) We’re more than willing to sacrifice our comfort if it involves the
      automobile. Any investment in roads is “always worth it”. We always hear that the car gives us freedom and transit (somehow) restricts us. It’s delusional to say the least. Imagine if we had a $2 billion project to add ONE lane in each direction to I-5 between Seattle and Northgate, and another $2 billion project for a 2-track light rail line between the two. Which one is most likely to get more support? (At least initially)

      1. When I lived (briefly) in Minneapolis, there was a freight train line directly across the street from my house. Loud trains all day, all night. The first night it woke me up every time, and I was thinking “what have I gotten myself into?” By the end of the week I was sleeping right through it and didn’t really notice at all. People really can learn to adjust to a lot of intermittent noise, believe it or not! But I am relatively noise-tolerant anyway, so I don’t suppose everyone would adjust like I did.

    2. Monorails with either Mag Lev or rubber wheels make less noise and was one of the big selling points for the GreenLine. Too bad they are mostly too tall to fit the I-90 tunnel.

      But oh well, it’s not like the squeel noise wasn’t warned to the board at the public meetings or anything and was ignored. The crossing bells have got to be worse anyway.

  2. Hard to say if that business space is empty because of the loud trains or the recession. Sort of convenient to blame the light rail and it makes a better story. Anyone think about cause and effect anymore?

    Though, the Link is damn annoying. Too bad ST can’t seem to find a solution that works.

  3. Living next to an active mainline RR, i will say that most of the time i dont even notice the trains. Except for that one that inevitably comes along right about dinner time with the engineer that likes to lay on the horn…

    1. Link is Quiet, the tractor I use at work (cub cadet, riding lawnmower really, ) is louder than the Light Rail trains, I can’t hear the light rail while im under it with headphones on, and without headphones I can BARELY hear a whoosh from across the green (or duwamish, whatever…) river from it.
      I could easily talk to people around me while it passes, I don’t understand all these complaints from people on the line.

      They should all move to Chicago and live where the train literally shakes their residences as it passes, and is heard for 2 or 3 blocks, LOUD AND CLEAR.

      These noise complaints are BOGUS.

      1. Maybe BOGUS for you, but say you’re a resident of Duwamish. The squeeling, whooshing noise is for all but a few hours of the day, with NO benefit provided to anyone in the neighborhood. And, you get to pay several hundred dollars a year for the privilege. Lose-Lose! No wonder their pissed!
        At least a station within a couple of miles would have softened the impact by having some positive effects for a few.

      2. Really, it makes no sense to compare a rail line that runs 20 hours a day next to houses to a tractor you’re paid to use 8 hours a day at work.

        And the fact that a 100 year old transit line in another city produces massive noise pollution doesn’t mean that it’s acceptable for a newly-constructed rail line here to be noisier than was promised.

      3. I think it’s important to remember that the trains currently are not just “noiser than was promised,” they’re exceeding federal noise standards.

      4. The light rail trains are quieter than any other mode of motorized movement in the region. Cars, busses, planes, heavy trains… there is nothing to complain about, seriously.

        Federal guidelines are obviously far too stringent if that train is above their guidelines.

        If anyone was deluded into thinking they were literally silent, then they are idiots, and we have a different problem, but they don’t make much noise at all. not even on the corners near the waterway.

        Trains make some noise, but those trains happen to make REMARKABLY little noise.
        Stop making sound transit waste money on crap, let them build lines out farther.

        Let them spend the money on making the sounder a feasible commuting option for people who reverse commute, or want to visit with people or do things after work and still be able to catch a train home.

        We have lots bigger things they ought to spend money on than a joke of a noise issue.

  4. The first Blues Brothers movie shows the brothers holed up in a low-budget Chicago hotel room with a front window ten feet from the “El” tracks- and some great footage of the wonderful PCC elevated cars that started service in 1953.

    And also iron elevated structure dating back at least ninety years. Noise level beyond decibels to Richter scale.

    Strangely enough, old brick apartment property all along at least the Howard Street line is being sandblasted, renovated and populated in spite of crockery being shaken off shelves by every passing train.

    Suggestion: you might have a case for asking people to just get used to the sound of trains- but you’ll have a harder time defending the ride quality along the entire elevated section between Tukwila International and Rainier Beach.

    The rough ride up there really does need to be cured. Maybe a line that rides better will also run quieter.

    Mark Dublin

    1. Yes, the shimmy truly is a problem and needs to be resolved. Does anyone know if Sound Transit has acknowledged this issue?

      As others have pointed out, the two reasons Sound Transit is addressing the noise complaints are (a) requirements – the noise exceeds Federal standards and (b) maintaining a responsive public image. There is probably a healthy dose of ST folks truly caring about the valid complainers too.

  5. The corridor between Rainier Beach Station and Tukwila International Boulevard Station has several neighborhoods without bus service.

    Maybe they would be less annoyed at the trains if they could use them.

    1. Good thought. When I worked at Group Health headquarters next door to Metro South Base a few years ago, and LINK was excavating for pillars on-site, co-workers wished they could have some service. People in Chicago don’t move near the El just because they like the vibes- or because they saw the movie.

      Mark Dublin

      1. They move near the El because it is a FANTASTIC way to get around Chicago. It could be better, a bit smoother would be nice, a rail beltway somewhere around kedzie or harlem avenues would be AWESOME, A lakefront line would be EPIC, next train arrival signs would be fab, trains actually showing up at their scheduled times would also be awesome.

        I am very sad to be moving to about 8 blocks (Chicago blocks are 1/8th mile… HUGE) from the El next year, because it will add 15 mins to ANY commute I want to make. Living a block from it, having my room rattled every 10 mins, hearing “Doors Closing”, and “This is 35th Bronzeville IIT” every 5 mins, (Train announcements are plainly audible from 1-2 blocks away when you leave windows open) has been awesome, but a 1000 sq ft place with a 45th floor view in streeterville is a little better than a 150 sqft. 3rd floor dorm room in the southside, so move I shall. And I will still take the El Everywhere, as it goes almost everywhere. ill just walk or bike to it.

        It has its problems, but truly I LOVE it even with its problems, and I cannot even begin to imagine Chicago without it.

        People move near the el for the INCREDIBLE Convenience, hopefully they will do the same here in Seattle with the Light rail.

        And hopefully they don’t ever build another line limited by being at grade, at least not one that goes more than 7 miles…. Besides, Elevated offers such AWESOME Views.

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