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ST3: A Complete Geographic Map

September 10, 2016 at 6:16 pm By LukasMaps

Hi there, for the past few hours I have been mapping out our future ST3 Light Rail system in it’s entirety over a geographic map, so now you can see exactly where every station and routing will be and how it fits into our urban environment. Check it out here. If I have made any errors, please let me know and I will fix them.

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  1. Joe "AvgeekJoe" Kunzler says

    September 10, 2016 at 6:45 pm

    Lukas;

    Good start on your map. But my understanding is that the light rail station for Paine Field SW Everett Industrial Center should be at Seaway & 75th. The Seaway Transit Center is intended for light rail.

    That’s my understanding. Could be wrong.

    • psf says

      September 10, 2016 at 6:57 pm

      Believe the north terminus for the kirkland – issaquah line follows the eastside rail corridor to s kirkland p&r instead of diverting to northrup.

      The map shows how truly terrible BAR station is.

      Thanks for putting together.

      • AJ says

        September 12, 2016 at 12:52 pm

        BAR?

      • Anandakos says

        September 16, 2016 at 10:50 am

        Boeing Access Road

    • Lukas B. says

      September 17, 2016 at 7:21 pm

      Thanks for the input :), but this map (https://st32.blob.core.windows.net/media/Default/InteractiveMap/InsetMap/ST3_Lynnwood_Everett_LRT_0624_new.png) seems to place it somewhere else.

  2. barman says

    September 10, 2016 at 9:14 pm

    The route through SLU/LQA looks wrong to me. The station won’t be in the middle of Seattle Center, it will be in LQA and it’s missing a station around Mercer and Aurora.

    • Lukas M. says

      September 11, 2016 at 9:37 am

      That was the hardets part of the map. ST’s alignment maps are extremely vague.

      • Joe "AvgeekJoe" Kunzler says

        September 11, 2016 at 10:24 am

        I agree. Way too vague.

        Problem is, currently the way Sound Transit works is you have to vote the taxing authority in, then wait for the EIS to find out the alignment, then let Sound Transit build. I, like many others, wish it could be done differently.

      • Brendan Miller says

        September 12, 2016 at 1:03 am

        There are actually 2 stations in south lake union. You seem to have merged them into one:
        1. At denny and westlake
        2. underneath 99 at harrison street.

        Look here: https://st32.blob.core.windows.net/media/Default/InteractiveMap/Templates/July1/LRT_BallardtoDowntownSeattle.pdf

        The Seattle center stop is at the northwest corner of Seattle center. At mercer street and 1st ave n.

        There is actually a map on the Seattle Transit blog that shows where these stops are in pretty good detail:
        https://seattletransitblog.com/2015/07/28/seattles-st3-input/

  3. Gregory says

    September 11, 2016 at 8:33 am

    You put Ballard station at Leary. I’ve never seen this proposed; the most likely (and superior) location would be at Market.

    • AJ says

      September 12, 2016 at 1:02 pm

      Agree, stations is generally show at Market & 15th

  4. Gregory says

    September 11, 2016 at 8:37 am

    You put Ballard station at Leary. I’ve never seen this proposed; the most likely (and superior) location would be at Market.

    • Lukas B. says

      September 16, 2016 at 8:20 pm

      That’s my mistake. :)

  5. Bruce Englehardt says

    September 11, 2016 at 4:18 pm

    The location of Lynnwood’s station is a bit off. The track and station will be oriented diagonally (SW to NE) and the tail tracks will jut into the furniture store. (see here)

    Everett’s terminus will be at Everett Station, which is quite a ways away from your marker.

    • Lukas B. says

      September 16, 2016 at 8:22 pm

      Will fix Lynwood, not so sure about your Everett statement, though.

  6. AJ says

    September 12, 2016 at 12:59 pm

    Central Issaquah station will likely terminate at the transit center, which is between Newport & Maple.

    Factoria station should probably be a bit further east, directly over Richards Road. It will be an elevated station.

    Are you planning on including provisional stations?

    SE Redmond stations will be “southeast” of the 520-202 intersection, according to the ST3 website, so you’ll want to drag it a bit farther east.

    • Lukas B. says

      September 16, 2016 at 8:17 pm

      I wish Issaquah station was closer in by the transit center, but ST’s maps show otherwise.

    • Lukas B. says

      September 16, 2016 at 8:19 pm

      I wish Issaquah station was closer in by the transit center, but ST’s maps show otherwise.

      No, provisional “stations” will not be shown. I’m only showing infrasturctre that the public can use on the map, ie. not provisions or trainyards.

    • Lukas B. says

      September 17, 2016 at 7:27 pm

      Nevermind, you seem to be right. :)

  7. AJ says

    September 12, 2016 at 1:06 pm

    Watch the videos on the ST webpage to get a more precise alignment for the ST2 extensions:

    http://www.soundtransit.org/eastlink
    http://www.soundtransit.org/Lynnwoodextension

    • Lukas B. says

      September 16, 2016 at 8:15 pm

      Thanks! I’ll fix the maps when I find the time.

  8. sam-c says

    September 13, 2016 at 1:41 pm

    I am curious about the routing from the Delridge station to the Avalon station.
    Would it actually be routed on Genesee ?

    • Lukas B. says

      September 16, 2016 at 8:14 pm

      Not sure, but that is just my guess of the route coming from the terrible alignment maps ;)

  9. Anandakos says

    September 16, 2016 at 10:55 am

    This is an excellent start, with the caveats mentioned above. But what I’d like to say is how clearly it shows that, with the exception of the portions in Seattle proper and midtown Bellevue, this is an enormously sprawl-inducing design. It depends on Park-N-Rides and bus transfers almost exclusively in the suburban areas. It’s a fustercluck of enormous proportions because Shoreline, Sea-Tac, Des Moines and Federal Way blocked use of Highway 99 along which “string of pearls” development clusters could have been built.

    And they did it because they’re addicted to the crack of car dealership sales taxes. What a stupidly shortsighted way to build a transportation system.

    • Joe "AvgeekJoe" Kunzler says

      September 16, 2016 at 11:18 am

      As to, “sprawl-inducing design. It depends on Park-N-Rides and bus transfers almost exclusively in the suburban areas”

      Well let me tell you we need ST3. We in the North need light rail to Everett Station and want it to Paine Field to make those transfers.

    • Lukas B. says

      September 16, 2016 at 8:14 pm

      Thanks for the compliments. I’m really not too interested in land use and TOD so much as that every part of the region gets a rapid transit line of some sort. I sort of see favoring dense cores over suburbs as generally sensible, until people start saying that plans should be scrapped entirely or changed to ONLY include these areas. A blind dismissal of the suburbs means that 75% of the region’s land area gets nothing.

    • Glenn in Portland says

      September 17, 2016 at 6:04 am

      I’m not so sure about the inducing part of that. It’s already sprawled. The sprawl inducers were the highways.

      Now that those are full and it’s not dense enough for really good transit, now what? There really are t any good options that don’t include adding something to the areas where everything has sprawled.

      • Joe AvgeekJoe Kunzler says

        September 17, 2016 at 7:37 am

        Well said Glenn. The sprawl argument is about forty years too late.

      • Anandakos says

        September 18, 2016 at 1:12 am

        Glenn, Joe,

        I did not say “Don’t go to Everett.” I did not say “Don’t go to Tacoma.” Ross has said those things and I admit I have said that if ST3 does not pass because the suburbs vote against it, well, they will have made their collective bed and must lie in it.

        What I did say is that this plan, with it’s almost entirely “freeway alignment” is stupid and very sprawl-inducing. For a travel time penalty of at most four minutes (two minutes for the two mile detour and two minutes for an additional stop) North Link could have used SR99 between 205th/244th and 130th and the Interurban ROW to get to downtown Lynnwood. That would have allowed the development of a large cluster of development between 130th and 145th and a large cluster of development between 160th and 175th (the additional station) and a large cluster of development between 185th and 200th (moving the 185th station a half mile north).

        The same thing could have happened north of Lynnwood had the line also followed SR99 north of Airport Road except for the dogleg to Paine Field. That routing would have added perhaps three minutes because there would have been an additional station somewhere near 128th would could have provided for a large cluster of development.

        These large clusters of development would have meant that fewer peripheral SFH developments would have been needed to accommodate the future workforce of the Puget Sound Region.

        The same thing could have happened in the South King corridor. Very few people are going to be commuting from Tacoma to Seattle via Link because of the Rainier Valley detour; they’ll ride all-day Sounder or Pierce Transit will run a replacement for the 590. It’s the only valid political position for Pierce County.

        Again, with a couple more stations between the Airport and Federal Way, and enthusiastic embrace of Kent-style high rise developments at them, South King could have absorbed twenty or thirty thousand new residents along the line.

        This is why I say that the system as designed is a sprawl-inducing fustercluck. Not because it goes to Tacoma and Everett, but because it does so along a effyouseeking freeway where nobody will want to live and there isn’t room for the development among the ramps and spaghetti anyway.

  10. Lukas B. says

    September 17, 2016 at 7:47 pm

    I have updated the map with everyone’s suggestions.

    Just a thought: I find it interesting that the 2 branches off the main trunk/spine east and west of Lake Washington mirror each other, right down to the number of stations.

  11. Lukas Bettich says

    September 17, 2016 at 8:05 pm

    Having trouble editing the page. Will hopefully insert updated link soon.

  12. Lukas Bettich says

    September 18, 2016 at 3:43 pm

    See the new map link in this post:

    https://seattletransitblog.com/2016/09/18/st3-complete-geographic-map-updated/

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