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Maybe not Page 2 material, but can’t get an answer to this question after several requests in today’s posting:

I know I’ve missed out on a lot of the Capitol Hill planning. Getting slack because I can’t vote for anybody anywhere in King County- though they don’t know that.

But unless I’m reading the Mapquest aerial pic ‘way wrong- how in the world can any bus have any trouble at all turning from EB Madison to NB 19th Avenue? Or reverse direction? That many brand-new drivers?

Please clue me in. I used to be able to read a map, and a protractor, and a 90 degree triangle point against a 45 degree one?

Also, follow-up question. What’s Guest’s relation to transit? Is he or she same one who writes for Seattle Subways? If not, are they really Kemper Freeman?

Mark Dublin

6 Replies to “Fourth Grade Geometry”

  1. I believe that the turn in question would have been from WB Madison to NB 19th. Take a look at the map in the Capitol Hill section here.

  2. I agree.

    I’ve ridden on buses going through 90 degree intersections that seem far worse than that one due to the tightness of the lanes and the bus having to go into the oncoming lane to make the 90 degree turn.

    It looks to me like you could make this thing work by eliminating about 8 parking places on 19th closest to the intersection, moving the oncoming lanes over, and widening the two way traffic lanes in order to create enough space for a bus to turn.

    If it truly can’t be done, then how about running the 8 and 11 down to the three way intersection at Pine, 16th and Madison? It looks to me like a bus could turn there, and then turn north onto 15th.

    If that’s too much service on 15th, then how about 16th? Or 12th?

    It just seems like there are so many other alternatives than completely throwing out the entire proposal due to just one single intersection.

    1. The Madison to MLK SB turn is pretty tight. Bendy buses have to take it pretty wide on Madison and risk clipping left-turning cars on NB MLK; the regular buses seem to cut it and ride over the curb a bit. Not ideal….but hey, the 8 still runs, doesn’t it?

      1. Mea maxima culpa idiotica. First for mistaking one critical direction, east from its opposite, west. Second from forgetting that the angle of turn for a vehicle is measured from a line extending straight out the center of the front bumper. And third- the money I’d budgeted for a new computer will buy enough hand-drafting tools to start drawing like an Earthling again.

        Also for bad-mouthing the Waterfront project’s planned replacement of the Benson streetcars with those little trains of golf carts with the first one looking like The Little Engine That Could.
        Because this is the only form of public transit except for a line of bicycles that could make that turn westbound.

        Even an MAN artic with a “steerable” trailer would have locked its hinge turning westbound from Madison to northbound 19th. Which is good reason I don’t drive anymore.

        Mark Dublin

      2. It’s OK Mark. Settle down. You’re among fellow drivers here that are used to getting lost – especially in retirement. :)

  3. “Guest” is the byline for everybody without a staff account. My occasional articles are under Guest. The author’s name is just below in the body of the article, and we often get CAPITAL LETTERS for our names, so there! So you could be “By MARK DUBLIN”.

    Seattle Subway prefers to sign its articles as the entire group. The group consists of a few citizens who are passionate about maximum metros. Their viewpoint is practically the opposite of Kemper’s, who doesn’t want light rail and has tried repeatedly to stop East Link including lawsuits and stacking the Bellevue city council. Keith Kyle and Jon Croccolici are the most visible members, and I think Charles B is and the other Charles. I associate with them loosely but am not a member.

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