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Mukilteo Mayor Jennifer Gregerson

          A while ago on a Sunday Open Thread, I aired a trial balloon of doing a podcast on transit issues.  Most of you in the STB comment threads wanted text instead so I’m going to oblige.  I’m hoping based on the responses here to make time to do this monthly or twice a month with a major newsmaker who we would not hear from otherwise that has an impact on transit services north of Lynnwood.  So here we go with the North by Northwest Big Interview!

          For my first subject, I decided to choose a friendly face and also a voice who in some of the big debates affecting the North by Northwest region who has not been heard from.  From the Future of Flight Transit Desert to the proposed Paine Field Terminal – the media has (mostly) neglected Mayor Jennifer Gregerson’ s voice.  Today is about turning that around and I sincerely appreciate her interest and participating.

          In this interview we discussed Sounder North, a substantial subject of yesterday’s main post’s comment thread.  We also discussed potential transportation options to the potential Paine Field Terminal that Propeller Airports wants to build, Community Transit, Swift 2 and finally the Future of Flight transit desert.  I’ve helpfully included appropriate pictures and hyperlinks.

          For those on e-mail subscription like I, I’ve decided to insert a jump point here so if you want to read the whole interview – just click the header.  For the over 1,200 word interview itself, read on.

          After explaining to Mayor Gregerson that I said something in Seattle Transit Blog comments about doing a big interview once a month, we got into the swing of things. The first question was specifically to discuss Sounder North.  After showing Mayor Gregerson my Sounder North ridership stats table and stating my perception much is expended for only 500-600 commuters, I gave the Mayor the opportunity to explain whether it was worth the investment or not.  Mayor Gregerson explained Sounder North is “important to our community” and noted the 40 cars parked she saw earlier Friday May 8th as per my photo below plus the proximity to the ferry terminal.

Mukilteo Station at 4:23 PM, 8 May 2015

Mukilteo Station at 4:23 PM, 8 May 2015

          Mayor Gregerson stated many of the costs in Sounder North are sunk costs but acknowledged the Sound Transit 2012 Citizen Oversight Panel report also covered by KING 5.  The Mayor does believe as the Mukilteo waterfront is being redeveloped with a new multimodal terminal ridership will increase with increased “connections to the waterfront” and more bus bays and a greatly improved “walkshed” that should “over time, improve the ridership”.

          When asked where Mayor Gregerson would back away from supporting Sounder North either due to slides or ridership, she deferred to the Sound Transit Board but also the new Sounder North preemptive safety cancellation procedure.  Mayor Gregerson has put Sounder North’s future arguably on the Mukilteo waterfront redevelopment.  Also if it were possible to renegotiate the Sound Transit contract with BNSF to get the same deal Sounder South has, that could “really help” by growing the number of trips available and would be something she’d support.

A Great Slice of Paine Field With Everett In the Distance

A Great Slice of Paine Field With Everett In the Distance

          To discuss potential transportation options for the possibly upcoming Paine Field passenger terminal which the City of Mukilteo opposes to protect the Paine Field status quo with major economic generators as per official resolution; I brought up the upcoming Paine Field Terminal Environmental Assessment (EA for short).  Mayor Gregerson mentioned Propeller Airports is currently attempting to recruit airlines to their proposed 2-gate facility and is appealing the Snohomish County Council decision to court.  Mayor Gregerson believes Paine Field “is a good neighbor with the uses that are there now”.  But when asked about requiring Propeller Airports to provide as mitigation transit infrastructure, “I think that could be a great mitigating condition” as “all the impacts are considered”.  “If that leads to service not happening, that’s our community’s preference but addressing mitigating conditions, that’s good too – there’s definitely concerns about parking impacts and traffic impacts.”  There are “not good” transit connections to Paine Field, and the Mayor brought up lack of good connections to the Eastside/Bellevue and northern destinations.

A Community Transit Route 417 Seattle-Mukilteo Commuter Double Tall Bus In Mukilteo Traffic

Community Transit Double Tall Bus In Mukilteo Traffic

          This allowed us to slide gracefully to my next question, namely “What grade would you give Community Transit and why?  Is Community Transit going in the right direction for serving Mukilteo and how?”  Mayor Gregerson thinks Community Transit is “going in the right direction” with restoring Sunday service for instance but has several desires for increased service.  One being getting Community Transit connections to the Eastside – Microsoft, Bellevue, the like.

          Mayor Gregerson is also happy Mukilteo is finally getting a Park & Ride at Bernie Webber Drive.  The plan is for 200 spots for now, but can grow to 400.  Sadly Community Transit will not currently realign routes in any way, such as having a bus stop at the Park & Ride in the name of supposedly preventing an additional 10 minutes.  Understandable but “delays on the Speedway” could be created by more pedestrians having to cross to the bus stop on the other side of the Speedway now.


Nose of A Swift Bus at the Everett Station Hub for the Swift Bus

          When asked to consider bus bulbs and/or a Swift line along the Mukilteo Speedway, Mayor Gregerson would be concerned with about Mukilteo Speedway road speeds versus 25-30 MPH where bus bulbs are commonly used.  However… Mayor Gregerson would prefer Swift II not end at the proposed Seaway Transit Center at the east side of Boeing but rather loop from Seaway back to Future of Flight down 526 to Bernie Webber Park & Ride.  The latter of which would be mere dozens of feet from Historic Flight Foundation & the Paine Field Windsock – both key aviation tourism locations.  The Bernie Webber Park & Ride would also be mere hundreds of feet from a major Mukilteo marketplace with QFC, a bank, a Jack In the Box and so much more.

          Mayor Gregerson also noted Boeing is losing (free) parking capability – partially with the 777X factory extension as per a November 2014 aerial photo of mine – and hoping that will help Boeing shift workers choose transit as well.  At that point, Mayor Gregerson mentioned a desire to join the Community Transit Board to advocate for Mukilteo – again to advocate for Swift II to come to Mukilteo, among other service improvements.

Looking South and Down on the Future of Flight & Boeing Dreamlifter Center In November 2014

My photo: Looking South and Down on the Future of Flight & Boeing Dreamlifter Center In November 2014

          Finally, when asked to opine on the Future of Flight transit desert (my phrase, not the Mayor’s), Mayor Gregerson is following the situation and hoping for a fix.  When told Community Transit has received a large amount from Future of Flight and potentially another large amount to the same Sound Transit that contracts with Community Transit to provide commuter transit service, Mayor Gregerson is emphatic to that concern.

          However, Mayor Gregerson is a bit apprehensive about the proposal to reroute Route 113 to Future of Flight instead of the Mukilteo Speedway to the Ferry Terminal with a stop at 92nd Street with about 30 regular riders versus a Future of Flight with 777.8 mean daily visitors the 363 days it’s open and many complaints to the Future of Flight about the hike – one even two senior citizens took to Community Transit 113.  Connecting the City to the other side of Paine Field “is a big deal”; but preferably “not at the expense” of other Community Transit stops in Mukilteo.  Furthermore, as the Future of Flight and other Paine Field attractions bring customers to the Mukilteo hotels a transit connection going forward is necessary.  Mayor Gregerson also added it’s “an interesting compromise idea” to make an alternate rerouting where every other run on the half hour Community Transit Route 113 detours to Future of Flight to “test the ridership”.

          Mayor Gregerson was also pitched the idea of a special bus going from the Seaway Transit Center to Future of Flight to Community Transit Route 113; Mayor Gregerson sees it as a connection to a “job center” which would be a “good argument”.  Could be a “good compromise” but the top preference is for Swift II to go from Seaway Transit Center to Future of Flight to the Bernie Webber Park & Ride.  A preference I’m sure many of us like me could get behind… so stay tuned.

          Ultimately Mayor Gregerson is a pro-transit savvy politician ready to extend the transit network.  I’m hopeful transit services in Mukilteo can and will grow under her leadership with Community Transit seeking new revenue to make Mukilteo the transit-friendly city it could be.

          Special thanks to Mukilteo Major Jennifer Gregerson for setting up and honoring this appointment with a lowly Page Two writer for Seattle Transit Blog.  I know some in the comments will be critical of the thoughtful positions she’s taken – some positions that I’m wary of and one Swift position I’m ready, aye, ready to champion – so please keep your comments thoughtful & classy.  I’d like to do this once or twice a month… maybe we’d like to hear from Skagit Transit or after I go through a public records request due end of June the new Community Transit CEO or one of the watchdogs of Island Transit.

          Programming Note: We will be revisiting Sounder North this week.  One way or another…

11 Replies to “North by Northwest Big Interview 01: Mukilteo Mayor Jennifer Gregerson”

  1. Thanks for getting out in the field and bringing us some perspectives we wouldn’t otherwise have, Joe!

  2. Where are the Seaway Transit Center and Bernie Webber P&R? Are they both on highway 526? It seems like it would make the most sense to extend Swift II to downtown Mukilteo and the ferry rather than terminating short of it. Would that be possible given the two other desired station locations?

    Also, does Swift II transfer to the 512? I think there was a concern earlier that it didn’t, which would make it difficult to do regional trips.

    1. Mike – here goes:

      Where are the Seaway Transit Center and Bernie Webber P&R?

      Seaway Transit Center is planned for Seaway Blvd on the east side of the Boeing Plant.

      Bernie Webber P&R is planned to be Bernie Webber Drive & Hwy 525.

      Are they both on highway 526?


      It seems like it would make the most sense to extend Swift II to downtown Mukilteo and the ferry rather than terminating short of it. Would that be possible given the two other desired station locations?

      No, but the plan is a simple transfer to Community Transit Route 113.

      Also, does Swift II transfer to the 512? I think there was a concern earlier that it didn’t, which would make it difficult to do regional trips.

      Nope, but there is an intercept planned for Swift I & Swift II.

      1. The fact that Swift II doesn’t connect with the 512 is crazy, although an ST3-funded extension to Everett would almost certainly have a station that does connect with Swift II. It’s almost like they are deliberately choosing the routing of Swift II to force Link to Everett in order to get the Swift II corridor connected to Seattle in anything resembling a reasonable time.

        As to a reroute of the 113 to serve Future of Flight, I wouldn’t count on it attracting more than the 30 daily riders the current route 113 attracts. Tourists staying in Snohomish County will all have rental cars anyway because the buses out there are so horrible. And tourists coming from Seattle will likely go for the rental car anyway because, even if the 113 does stop right in front of the museum, the bus is still a pretty lousy option:

        1) The 113 routing from Lynnwood to Mukilteo is quite circuitous, and there are no plans to straighten it, nor can it be straightened without completely abandoning coverage to some neighborhoods.

        2) The connecting between the 113 and the 512 is not well timed, and the 512 is not super-reliable getting to Lynnwood. Even if Google says I-5 is a breeze, the 512 can easily run 10-15 minutes late, just from getting through all the stops downtown. The 512 and the 113 also have no real-time information on OneBusAway. To avoid being stuck in Lynnwood for an hour, you would probably need to choose a #512 bus scheduled to arrive in Lynnwood a good 15-20 minutes before the #113 leaves. Which means leaving downtown Seattle a good 45-50 minutes before the #113 leaves, which means a 75-minute bus ride, minimum, each way, for what could have been just a 30-minute drive. And if you aren’t staying either downtown or within walking distance of an I-5 freeway station, you get to add yet another local bus to the trip, and the figures get even worse. This is enough that any tourist who is not a transit nerd that frequents this blog will either get a rental car or go somewhere else (perhaps the flight museum in South Seattle that you can bus to from downtown in less time than it would take to drive to the future of flight). If you want the bus to be an attractive option to get to the Future of Flight, the 15-minute walk at the end is the least of the problems.

        So, going back to your original discussion about rerouting the 113, in order for future of flight with its 777 visitors per day to draw more riders than the 30 daily riders of the 113 on Mukilteo Speedway, Future of Flight would need to draw a 3.9% transit modeshare among visitors. Possible, but I’m not holding my breath.

        There is also something to be said for Community Transit routing the 113 to prioritize local residents who are paying taxes into the system over tourists from outside who don’t. (Although, I suppose they would have to pay some sales tax to CT through their admission ticket).

      2. asdf2;

        As to:

        The fact that Swift II doesn’t connect with the 512 is crazy, although an ST3-funded extension to Everett would almost certainly have a station that does connect with Swift II.

        Duly noted. I don’t know if you’re right, but I suspect it.

        As to your comments on rerouting Route 113, I’ll be honest with you – it’s not the preferred option anymore by me. Nor by Mayor Gregerson. We think Swift 2 can be looped around into Mukilteo instead which is the star option. Rerouting Route 113 could be done because the Future of Flight w/ the Boeing factory tour – among other unique attractions – can get the ridership and has paid a lot of sales tax into Community Transit & Sound Transit. But it’s not preferable.

        But still… I notice your silence on stretching Swift II. I think that’s the solution instead of playing with Route 113 or Light Rail up the Mukilteo Speedway or any of the other crazzzzy ideas I’ve heard or pitched.

      1. One would simply get off of Swift I or Swift II at Evergreen Way & Airport Road to transfer to the other line.

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